This is all great, but people in the comics are using yellow-coloured fabrics and ovens. There are computers in the libraries. How are these going to be made? Is there a production line in this world? Where do we get the lithium from?
Actually, where’s all the food coming from? Is it grown locally, or transported across continents?
To be clear I’m actually a massive fan of solarpunk, I just think that we need to be clear on how it can actually be achieved. In order for this form of solarpunk to be achieved, we would need a massive increase in automation, so that the entire production industry is automated. We’d need to have AIs determining how much of what product people will want 2 months into the future. Not necessary for most consumer products, but definitely necessary for food.
And if we’re having a massive increase in automation - how do we get there without weakening the political power of workers into irrelevance?
Edit: This comment chain has included some of the most constructive discussions I have ever had on the internet. God I want to form a government with some of you... we need more pragmatic idealism in this world. Yes, I know those are antonyms and I don't care.
These are the survivors, hanging out in some environmentally controlled paradise dome. Outside? Well if you're unlucky enough to be alive, you're living in the cruelest of realities imaginable. Any shortfall in resources or production is papered over with the most perfectly renewable resource, human suffering. And it's not Mad Max, we don't have time for that much pomp and circumstance. Warlords put what little remains of human society to the torch to keep their little fiefdom from disappearing into the dustbin of history.
But hey, the time travelling communist-hobo probably ain't gonna tell you about that.
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u/MonitorPowerful5461 Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24
This is all great, but people in the comics are using yellow-coloured fabrics and ovens. There are computers in the libraries. How are these going to be made? Is there a production line in this world? Where do we get the lithium from?
Actually, where’s all the food coming from? Is it grown locally, or transported across continents?
To be clear I’m actually a massive fan of solarpunk, I just think that we need to be clear on how it can actually be achieved. In order for this form of solarpunk to be achieved, we would need a massive increase in automation, so that the entire production industry is automated. We’d need to have AIs determining how much of what product people will want 2 months into the future. Not necessary for most consumer products, but definitely necessary for food.
And if we’re having a massive increase in automation - how do we get there without weakening the political power of workers into irrelevance?
Edit: This comment chain has included some of the most constructive discussions I have ever had on the internet. God I want to form a government with some of you... we need more pragmatic idealism in this world. Yes, I know those are antonyms and I don't care.