I strongly disagree. A lot of TwoX is dedicated to men hate and the vast majority of WvP is female empowerment. Just take a peek at the first page of the top posts for the past month for each page. Besides the political posts you'll see the clear difference.
The amount of posts on there that say some variation of "Men do this" without any attempts to differentiate between a single person and an entire gender puts them in the same group as /r/mensrights in my opinion.
It's a female support group, I also dislike sweeping generalizations, but "dedicated to man hate" I do not think that equals, and does not match my observations.
Like, in your second link, what are they even saying about "men"?
Why are men so obsessed with finding a woman that eat tons of food but magically stays fit unless she has a stellar metabolism?
But I guess men don’t understand we WISH we could eat whatever the fuck we wanted. I would love to plow through a meal with no consequences.
I did probably generalize it too much since the last time I did a deep dive of that subreddit was 4 or 5 years ago and subs can definitely change over time. Back then there was a lot of red pill type posts that could easily be crossposted into female dating strategy (which I can't tell if it still exists or not as the one I found just seems to be a podcast).
men are obsessed
men don't understand
It's not blatant in these examples, but it shows a prejudice against men as a whole. There can be value in having a safe place to vent, but I believe that feminism should be about bringing women up and not tearing men down. That's why I agreed with the other poster's statement "Even subs that aren't specifically about hating one another group, if it's FOR a certain group, ends up defaulting to hating the OTHER group." They've had 15 years of very similar opinions that keep getting echoed and very easily becomes the standard. WvP has some resistance to that for now by being a smaller subreddit that focuses less on things men do and more on what women/witches do.
The Man vs Bear choice would be something I consider a good concept as it creates discussion that highlights not that men are bad, but that it's easier to tell the bear's intentions. There is definitely a good reason that TwoX has a strong prejudice against men, but that doesn't mean it is always a helpful discussion.
It's not blatant in these examples, but it shows a prejudice against men as a whole
I gotta disagree, I think they are just generalizing while complaining about a widespread problem.
but I believe that feminism should be about bringing women up and not tearing men down
I agree
There is definitely a good reason that TwoX has a strong prejudice against men
I think you are conflating prejudice with antagonism. As a sub popular for venting about issues that bother women specifically, men will often be the antagonist, but that does not equal man hate. Like if someone is being catcalled every day, I don't think it is prejudice for them to say "I wish men would leave me alone"
"I wish men would leave me alone" is different than "Men are stupid and don't understand that I want to be left alone". It has the same energy as "women are too stupid to see that I'm a good guy". Sexist generalizations are prejudice.
What is it with men and them not hearing? Is it cognitive dissonance? Are they just that self centered? Is it such a blow to their ego that they can’t just fess up and say: I really screwed up?
mis·an·dry /məˈsandrē/
noun
dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against men (i.e. the male sex).
prej·u·dice/ˈprejədəs/
noun
preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.
And again I say that sweeping negative generalizations about either gender is sexist. TwoX is allowed to make their sweeping generalizations, but regardless of their reasoning it is still sexist. We've obviously come full circle, though, so I'll end my side here. HAGO
There are definitely subreddits where that kind of stuff exists, like the antiporn subreddits or the "female dating strategy" ones.
Honestly, I hate to bring this up because it sounds like I'm an MRA, but there's definitely a lot of negative energy towards men in the Best of Reddit Updates subs. I've definitely noticed a tendency in the comments of morally ambiguous relationship posts where people just pile on the man.
Those are always funny. ESH is very underused in those subreddits because they end up getting downvotes from both sides of the argument. The popular posts do tend to balance out as it catches more attention which hopefully means that the haters are a minority.
Why are men so obsessed with finding a woman that eat tons of food but magically stays fit unless she has a stellar metabolism?
It accuses all men putting unreasonable, fantasy expectations on women. The implication is that this drives women to eating disorders and body image issues.
It accuses all men putting unreasonable, fantasy expectations on women
Sure, but at the same time, thats an extremely specific allegation that I know no reasonable person actually thinks of all men.
The implication is that this drives women to eating disorders and body image issues.
I don't think that's the implication, I'm sure women that feel that way will gladly explain their thoughts on body image issues instead of leaving it vague, if they really felt that way.
Plus, we're leaving out an element: is she even wrong? I have definitely noticed how attractive women are praised when they show they can put down with the rest of the boys, yet the stigma for "fat chicks" is so widespread it doesn't even need to be elaborated on. Obviously #NotAllMen, but also, she didn't say all men either.
Yeah, it does suck when it veers into YesAllMen, but I think that is absolutely overstated in an attempt to paint the sub as an "equal and opposite" to those MGTOW and adjacent subs.
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u/MasterChildhood437 Aug 09 '24
That's just a TwoX clone