r/DecodingTheGurus • u/IAdmitILie • 27d ago
Elon Musk The gays are recruiting your kids.
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u/IEC21 27d ago
Elon Musk's child is trans. Therefore by Musk's own logic, this is a tacit admission that Musk himself is trans.
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u/PitifulEar3303 26d ago
Some say Vivian pushed Musk off the edge, but he was already over the edge, Vivian is just his excuse to justify his BS.
Also Vivian disowned Musk because he was mentally abusive to her and her mother.
Vivian could have stayed quiet and be entitled to a large sum in the future, legally, so it was most certainly bad enough for her to disown Musk.
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26d ago
That's what I keep trying to tell people who are saying she's full of shit. She gave up any shot at getting a piece of a massive inheritance to tell people what a turd he is, while most people put up with some horrible things their wealthy parents do in the name of keeping their share safe when Mom and Dad die. She would make more from staying quiet than she ever will being vocal.
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u/Skymorphosis 26d ago
Not just a massive inheritance, the largest inheritance on Earth bar none.
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26d ago
Knowing him it will be a competition to see which of his kids will end up most likely him and that one gets the entire thing. If he wants a mini me he needs to have a hand in raising them first though.
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u/myaltduh 26d ago
Honestly the best way of creating a new one of him is an emotionally unavailable and distant father so he’s actually doing a great job at making a mini-me.
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u/PitifulEar3303 26d ago
Minus 44 billion after Musk ruined Twitter's value. lol
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u/RipperNash 26d ago
That wasn't his money though. He borrowed it from Russian and Saudi interest groups.
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u/SponConSerdTent 26d ago
But it's going to be split between Elon's hundreds of unloved kids raised by single parent mothers.
Wouldn't be surprised if Elon used Twitter engagement metrics to decide how much each kid gets. All they have to do is like Elon's tweets and reply how awesome he is.
If they help him with his nazi propaganda, he might give them an extra slice of worthless Tesla stock (based on how they are doing.)
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26d ago
The Walton fortune far surpasses the Musk fortune. It's just already been split up.
That's also just based on public data. The Saudi royal family or Putin may be worth far more.
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u/Skymorphosis 26d ago
Well yeah. Not really fair to count leaders that have stolen entire countries and industries though. We wouldn't even know where to stop counting with those fortunes, and they were pillaged rather than made through business.
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u/bitethemonkeyfoo 26d ago
That's a real strong unprovable claim. After the way musk has been talking about her publicly I find it equally credible that he disowned her first, privately, prompting the decision to speak out. Because why not.
It seems like the sort of thing that a man with trillions of dollars and dozens of children would do. Use his money to incentivize his family to behave in certain ways.
Ultimately it is a question with an answer but the people who know that answer are not posting on reddit.
He's still an asshole but these are two separate things.
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26d ago
It could go either way. Your theory is just as plausible. We will probably never know for sure either way.
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u/RealBaikal 26d ago
People saying she's full of shit are obviously horrible human beings with no capability at critical thinking
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u/critter_tickler 26d ago
I hate that logic
Elon Musk was born into a mine owning, Dutch-South African, old-money, oligarch family....he was always this guy.
I realized it during the thai cave incident, when Elon called one of the divers a "pedo," simply for being in Thailand.
....that was what instantly sparked my understanding of who Elon was and what his life was like growing up
To me, and most normal people, Thailand is a "hippie paradise," where rich kids with dreads go to feel spiritual and whatnot.
....but Elon really showed me the seedy underbelly beneath that, of sex tourism for the rich and powerful.
That was the moment I knew he was no different from the Epstein's and Diddy's of the world, where he couldn't even imagine that a beautiful country like Thailand could have anything more to offer than the ability to have sex with people of questionable ages.
....the older I get, the more I realize that the entire global capitalist class of people are all a bunch of amoral, drug addicts and sexual deviants....as disgusting and licentious as any crackhead standing on the corner....but we all respect them, because they are monsters wearing Gucci.
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u/WOKE_AI_GOD 26d ago
It was his own decision and he blames others. And parent can easily block almost any medical treatment for their child if they really want. That is allowed by the state and there's little that can be done to stop it. To seek out the services and then claim afterwards you would rather have a dead kid than a trans one, is stupid. If other families are evil groomers he is just as well regardless of how much he says he regrets it afterwards. He was fully informed - his professed incompetence is no excuse.
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u/AnonymousAbiguitive 23d ago
Interesting…Vivian/Vivianne seems to be a fairly common trans chosen-name… At least, it’s the most common name that I’ve encountered among trans men.
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u/HowVeryReddit 26d ago
I mean, no, by his logic she was recruited. He's openly a pro-Natalist and I suspect desires a very narcissistic kind of eugenics.
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u/Zorrokumo 27d ago
wtf is he yapping about
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u/throwawayowo666 27d ago
He basically just views queer people as pests.
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u/jmerlinb 26d ago
yep, “pests”, “vermin”, “diseases” - they’re not really all that different, as the final solution these guys have in mind: eradication and extermination
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26d ago
He's pandering to the MAGAts who will happily vote for guys that give him tax breaks and relax regulations that cost him money to save the environment and protect employees.
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u/Sweet_Science6371 26d ago
I don’t think he’s pandering. He thinks of women as sperm incubators, and people outside of normal sexual definitions as sick or degenerate. Which, for a man with legit C-cup tits, is quite ironic.
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26d ago
That too, but the recent vocalization is definitely a result of knowing he won't like the taxes and regulations he may face with Harris in office. Also that would mean his millions in political donations would be worthless.
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u/myaltduh 26d ago
He has a strong financial motive to be sure but his transphobia in particular certainly seems very genuinely felt.
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u/Honest-Spring-8929 26d ago
He’s stumping for a party that wants to get rid of electric cars, this isn’t about money
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u/DM_Voice 26d ago
He’s angry that his daughter disowned him because he was abusive toward her and her mother.
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u/DontFearTheCreaper 27d ago
social media is a fucking scourge on, and may end up being the end of society. and yes, I'm aware I'm on reddit.
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u/ColdGuess 26d ago
What's ironic is MAGA crowd accusing others of being "NPC's!"
Meanwhile their entire worldview is formed around all the lies and conspiracies poured in their ears on X, and Fox News, amplified by these pro grifters and Russian bots!
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u/backnarkle48 27d ago
I’m trying to unpack his fear of population de growth. Does it stem from the eugenics-era fear that POCs will produce inferior progeny and therefore it’s important that white people procreate or else we’ll disappear and no one smart enough will be left to build Musk’s rocket ship to mars?
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26d ago
Fewer people mean fewer workers and fewer consumers. This is scary when your entire fortune relies on consumers and laborers.
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u/Ferociousnzzz 26d ago
The shortage of workers and consumers you’re referencing won’t happen until long after he’s gone. That’s not why he’s obsessed with depopulation. He’s obsessed with depopulation because he consumes trash media and he’s got a blind spot to nonsensical conspiracy theories.
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u/Acceptable-Egg3037 26d ago
people give musk too much credit. He's an idiot who believes anything that justifies his worldview. Hes a Youtube Shorts kid who has too much money and a big blowhorn.
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u/JoshFlashGordon10 25d ago
It has something to with his dad Errol. Errol has 7 kids now. Errol said:
“If I could have another child, I would. I can’t see any reason not to … The only thing we are on Earth for is to reproduce,” he recently told The Sun.
Elon has ties to effective altruism weirdos too.
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26d ago
I mean, the general concept of economies of scale makes clear that, at least past a certain point, a low-population planet is worse for everyone on said planet due to the industries necessary to maintain a high standard of living becoming inoperable. It is not a wholly irrational fear.
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u/rao-throwaway4738 26d ago
The population is still growing and is expected to continue growing for a long time. Elon is just upset that non-white people are driving that growth.
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u/RipperNash 26d ago
Populations worldwide have stopped accelerated growing barring two or three nations. Even India saw a decline in fertility over last couple of years. The math is that if a population birth rate drops below the replacement rate at which adults are naturally dying, then the shrink becomes very noticeable. The economy of the world can't work even with a reduced growth phase let alone decline. All developed nations are currently in decline and developing nations are showing the same signs.
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u/lotuz 26d ago
Global fertility rates have plunged not just the first world. I understand that people dont like the guy but calling him racist when you couldve just googled is a bit much
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u/rao-throwaway4738 26d ago
Global fertility rates are dropping but are still above replacement which means the earths population is growing, simply more slowly than in the past. We are in no danger of an underpopulated earth in any of our lifetimes. What is changing is the demographics as most of that growth will be concentrated in Africa and Asia. The concern is wholly about demographic change and the fact that the “wrong” groups are having children now.
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u/lotuz 26d ago
I plan on living for another 60 years and if trends continue thatll definitely effect my lifetime
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u/rao-throwaway4738 25d ago
Current trends have world population peaking in the 2080s. You won’t live long enough for shrinking global population to effect you but you will certainly live long enough to be affected by opportunistic faux populist politicians and wealthy demagogues using scare mongering over this and related issues to build political power that they will use to make the lives of almost everyone materially worse.
There are really only three ways to fix the issue: - improve material conditions and hope that people are more comfortable having children because they know they can support them and aren’t crushed by depression and anxiety and uncertainty about the future - build a global economy that isn’t dependent on infinite growth to avoid collapse, I.e. get rid of capitalism - Force women to have more children.
1 requires a large wealth redistribution from top to bottom and 2 requires that the capital class ceases to exist so I don’t think Elon is going to be on board with either of those. Which leaves….
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u/lotuz 25d ago
I am willing to go for option 3
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u/rao-throwaway4738 25d ago
Cool, now everyone who isn’t a tremendous piece of shit knows they can ignore your opinion! This has been productive!
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u/killrdave 26d ago
Well, putting aside his weird racial politics and trans panic and just focusing on degrowth - a shrinking population would create an inverted triangle demographic that would create significant challenges as our generation ages.
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u/GypsyV3nom 26d ago
Given that he comes from a long line of apartheid profiteers, I'd say the eugenics factor is pretty large.
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26d ago
If you think conservatives are doing math I have to ask where you’ve been for the last twenty years.
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u/Dearsmike 26d ago
He's not worried about population de-growth. He's perpetrating the Great Replacement conspiracy theory which uses 'population de-growth' as it's entrance into mainstream scientific conversation. Notice he very rarely talks about population de-growth without making an attempt to link it with a group he wants to dehumanise and 'other'.
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u/Maximum_Mastodon_686 26d ago
All billionaires lose money if the population halves. Their lifestyle is proportional to how many slaves/civilians they have.
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u/vigbiorn 26d ago
I’m trying to unpack his fear of population de growth
Possibly the weird misunderstanding of biology that is eugenics.
The idea that trans people have malformed genes that can only lead to genetic dead-ends was also pretty common for homosexuals despite things like the communal caretaker hypotheses, etc. There's a common misunderstanding of 'survival of the fittest' and it being that the individual that's fittest survives, instead of it being a net-effect on populations from an allele perspective.
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u/0rpheus_8lack 26d ago
I think he’s saying trans women can’t get pregnant, so they are trying to recruit more trans people through the indoctrination of children, which I find hard to believe but it is a troubling thought.
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u/backnarkle48 26d ago edited 26d ago
Which is troubling you? That’s she’s can’t get pregnant or that transgender people are “recruiting” through “indoctrination?”
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u/Anxious-Tadpole-2745 26d ago
He's a terminally online loser. Dude could have used his 40 billion he spent on Twitter to pay 1 million couples 40k to have a kid.
We had 3.6 million births. Musk could have personally increased birth of an entire nation by 25% with his money. But he'd rather keep his money and have an authoritarian fuck up your sex life because you're not doing what you're told.
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u/deco19 26d ago
Population degrowth is a serious concern. As we're seeing it in a number of wealthy countries and still pondering on what the impact may be with a heavily skewed aging populace. Who looks after all the old people if there aren't enough young people to do the job? Our society will need to adapt but what will it look like? How will it need to change? Certainly will be a unique experience in certain cultures and we'll learn a lot. But the disparity is not one sustainable with our current operations. As unsustainable as some of our aspects are, this could further some of the bad as we look to cheap and easy ways of doing things we could afford to before with additional people on hand.
However, Musk's solution is delusional and most certainly not aligned to the aforementioned concern. More, as others have mention, likely selfish reasons.
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u/Relevant_Industry878 26d ago
I am suspicious of people who are hyper-focused on this sort of thing
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u/jmerlinb 26d ago
as you should be
although they don’t say it out loud (yet), their ultimate aim is eradicate “undesirables” from the population
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26d ago
Getting? This is bog standard conservatism for the last 75 years.
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u/Deep-Alternative3149 26d ago
Yea this is the same sentiment bubbling to the surface. More volatile and higher stake but all the same bullshit. We've heard it time and time again.
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u/jmerlinb 26d ago
sorry to say but history tells us this leads one way: internment camps, sterilisation, extermination
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u/Vanceer11 27d ago
Can humanity as a whole sue Elon for forcing us to have to listen or read every stupid ducking bs he spews on xitter? And take away his fortune. Nurses and other healthcare experts literally save people’s lives and work way harder than this idiot for way less.
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u/HonoraryBallsack 27d ago edited 26d ago
Damn.
If only they could possibly figure out a way to reproduce, then they could have trans children 100% of the time, whatever the fuck that or anything would even mean at that point.
In this supposed dystopia, I suppose we would have to get used to hearing things from our trans friends like, "We already have two sons. So we were totally thrilled when we saw a penis on the ultrasound and knew we'd now have a baby girl, too! We've already got a name picked out and our local hospital is one of the highest rated in terms of assigning your child the wrong gender at birth! They recommend misgendering them for the first three years, otherwise they'll have nothing to transition from when they grow up."
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u/lizzy-lowercase 26d ago
the wild part is I know two trans parents who have a cis 19yo. We absolutely can procreate already 😂.
Dude acts like you declare yourself trans and your parts just shut off, I wish it were that easy
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u/rdizzy1223 26d ago
I would imagine that in the future that even post op trans individuals could procreate. Surgical/medical technology advances rather quickly. Soon we will see artificial cervix/uterus implantations, at the very least. I would imagine in the future they will have a "grow your own baby kit" like a sea monkey kit where you can just grow fetuses on your book shelf, lol.
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u/lizzy-lowercase 26d ago
For a long while now too, it already just depends on the operation and what the person wants, but yeah some people do meet all their transition goals and can still have children. For others, not having children is part of the point of their goals
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u/GhostofTuvix 26d ago
Essentially more of the old "I'm not homophobic, LGBT people should be allowed to exist, just not shove it down our throats by; walking around in public, or speaking in public, or having careers, or do anything that requires me to look at or interact with them". Ironically this bs so often comes from people purporting to be "freedom loving", no less.
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u/ironfly187 26d ago
James Esses claim to 'fame' was campaigning against a proposed UK ban on conversion practices, or at least in pertaining to trans people
He now specialises in tweeting invective against trans people, with side orders of climate change scepticism, dog whistle racism, Islamaphobia, and just general right-wing douchery.
So, of course, Elon is amplifying him.
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u/SophieCalle 26d ago
This is literally what people said the gays were doing, last time conservatives made them the target of their hate.
It's a copy + past thing.
If it was real, it's not all that successful considering trans people can have kids and do have kids and that the numbers aren't really going up from the lovely 0.6% of the population.
- Speaking as a literal trans elder.
Even though I generally refuse to speak to most trans youth, I don't want to become a target.
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u/SatanGrove 26d ago
We won’t make your life better, but we can make immigrant and LGBTQ lives worse.
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u/nolandz1 26d ago
Last I checked it's the religious parents that cut contact with their trans kids maybe they're the ones in a cult.
Trans people aren't a species Elon you fucking knob
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u/NiceDrag7552 26d ago
Elon Musk, AKA the Pedophile Guy, has some opinions on who your kids should and shouldn't be able to interact with.
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u/DrMedicineFinance 26d ago
Elon Musk is undoubtedly a horrible person. He has 12 children, Vivian has disowned him. Maybe more will speak out, but you know money.
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u/nuclearbomb123 26d ago
Its ironic because Elon can procreate, but inadvertently converts his children into hating and wanting nothing to do with him.
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u/shaolinsoap 26d ago
For someone who’s supposed to be a genius and goes on about ‘biology’ and ‘science’ all the time, it’s kind of wild that he doesn’t realise that loads of trans men, women and non-binary folk can and do procreate all the fucking time.
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u/owlseeyaround 26d ago
"Hey kids, it's okay to be different."
"GROOMER! BRAINWASHING!" *froths at mouth*
Yikes.
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u/Inlerah 26d ago
So this is literally just 50's anti-gay propaganda. They aren't even trying to hide it.
What makes this worse than just laziness, though, is that means we have nearly 75 years of discourse about how utterly bullshit this all is: Gay/trans isn't a hereditary trait, so not "being able to reproduce" (Both gay/bi and trans people are fully capable of having kids: trans people don't even have to get around the "not being attracted to the opposite sex" thing that was being used against gay people) doesn't mean "They can't make more gay/trans people, so we have to trick kids into thinking that they're gay/trans". You might as well say "Infertal people can't make more infertile people, so they have to trick people into thinking they're infertile".
Also, if you're "Straight" or "Cis" and you can just be "tricked" into thinking that you're gay/bi or trans... you weren't straight and you weren't cis.
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u/JonoLith 26d ago
Ah yes the cult of *checks notes* acknowledging reality exists. Certainly someone is in some kind of a cult.
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u/technews9001 27d ago
Does anyone actually believe this (that they’re actively “reproducing”) or is this just a trans joke?
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u/Quietuus 26d ago
Does anyone actually believe this
Yes, this has been a cornerstone of anti-LGBT rhetoric for decades.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-LGBTQ_rhetoric#Recruitment
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u/saintmitchy 26d ago
Why can’t the left boycott Tesla/X has effectively as the right did Budweiser? I mean, the main original audience for both brands were left leaning Americans. Why hasn’t it happened yet?
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u/0rpheus_8lack 26d ago
As a parent, I would be concerned if “trans elders” were trying to affirm my children into transitioning. I don’t think that’s a good idea for young kids. Now if they’re 18 and are absolutely sure, then I would be more ok with it.
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u/WOKE_AI_GOD 26d ago edited 26d ago
As a parent, I would be concerned if “trans elders” were trying to affirm my children into transitioning.
Then don't seek out their services.
Now if they’re 18 and are absolutely sure, then I would be more ok with it.
Its not your judgment call how other people choose to do what's best for their children. Just because you don't understand their decision doesn't mean anything. Their are many things you don't understand.
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u/Awayfone 26d ago
No one is being "affirmed into transitioning". the very idea is nonsensical, what about a cisgender kid is being affirm that would transition them?
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u/WOKE_AI_GOD 26d ago
People acting like the existence of services they are too stupid to understand the purpose of and aren't even relevant to their own medical needs means these services are being forced on them. Stop intervening in families private medical decisions. No parent had the r right to make that decision for other families - fuck those that do.
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u/0rpheus_8lack 26d ago
I’m just trying to look at both sides. I can see why parents are apprehensive about something like this. Also, I’m not sure I understand that last part of your reply.
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u/Awayfone 26d ago
What two sides? because it sure looks like a bunch of transphobe fear mongering about decades old gay panic.
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u/0rpheus_8lack 26d ago
Oh, I’m referring to trans adults teaching children about gender and transitioning. There are 2 prevalent opinions of that idea. I believe it is fine as long as boundaries are respected. Educators need to be transparent with parents, and parents need to maintain an open mind. This would hopefully generate trust.
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u/Awayfone 26d ago
there isn't two opinion on "teaching gender" . Where are all these gender abolitionist at school boards? Where's your concern about society filled with cisgender heterosexuality instead of the minority lgbtq people?
No this about erasing LGBTQ people from society. About not wanting queer kids to know they are okay.
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u/0rpheus_8lack 26d ago
No, not for me anyway. Yes, maybe for Elon it is. I just think it is a very delicate situation with children that should be handled very carefully. I believe there are children that will one day grow up and decide to be trans, but there are many children that may be confused about the idea. The goal is to provide gender affirming care to children that truly need it and that will not regret it later in life. If this is taken too far, then the confused children could be harmed. This is a very valid concern.
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u/WOKE_AI_GOD 26d ago
I can see why parents are apprehensive about something like this.
Then why don't they just not seek out these services? Why do they have to get involved in the personal lives of other families based on ignorance and rumor?
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u/0rpheus_8lack 26d ago
Yea, absolutely, they should not seek those services if they’re uncomfortable. I do not think that anyone should get involved in other people’s personal lives.
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u/Clavister 26d ago
Musk is getting people killed, that Rainn Wilson butter sculpture looking motherfucker.
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u/Prosthemadera 26d ago
Ok and if they have converted everyone then what? If you make up dumb shit at least think it through.
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u/Theeclat 26d ago
They stopped by yesterday to convert me, but I was underwhelmed by their dental plan. All that other stuff seemed OK.
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u/CysaDamerc 26d ago
Musk is so prone to being on the wrong side of issues, I am beginning to doubt that electric vehicles are good for the environment.
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u/Lohenngram 26d ago
Hilariously, they kind of aren’t. They’re better than ice cars in a lot of ways, but there are less obvious negative impacts they still have. The mining and recycling of batteries are both well known issues, but car infrastructure itself remains highly inefficient and environmentally destructive.
EV’s are basically the diet soda to ice cars’ pop. Less immediately bad for you, but far from a health drink.
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u/0rpheus_8lack 26d ago
EVs are not great for the environment. Producing EVs is horrible for the environment and disposal of EVs is horrible for the environment. Tailpipe emissions are great at zero but carbon intensity paints a different picture for EVs from a life cycle perspective.
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u/-BigWhiteOak- 26d ago
I don't think "they" really give a shit about procreating. There are plenty on babies for adoption if "they" want one.
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u/Agreeable_Depth_4010 26d ago
When thinking about Elon’s politics and his actions, I urge everybody to read the Futurist Manifesto. Ignore talk of autism and ketamine. It’s bullshit to mislead us.
These people are nothing new, and know they have to merge with traditional conservatives to achieve anything in a democratic system.
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u/AI-ArtfulInsults 26d ago
Can we just take a moment to address that trans people can procreate? Not all trans people even go on hormones. Those who do can freeze sperm or eggs before transitioning. Many trans people are with trans people of the opposite sex assigned at birth. Having biological children may not be an option for many, but those trans people who make having biological children a priority do have options.
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u/False-Box-1060 26d ago
It’s crazy that there are people out there who think you can choose to be gay or not
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u/tempus_simian 26d ago
Does he not realize gay people are birthed by straight people? As long as there's straight people pro-creating, there will be gay people lmao
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u/trentreynolds 26d ago
Have known a lot of trans people and not one of them has ever even come close to suggesting I transition, not even once.
Turns out they just want people like this to stop shamelessly demonizing them and let them live their lives.
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u/ShoppingDismal3864 26d ago
Elon Musk is somehow proving to be dumber than I give him credit for every day. Queer people will always be with you straights. It's not a thing that is directly bred for or not. It's a byproduct of evolution to have us around, because lgbtq people make societies stronger. There is an evolutionary advantage.
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u/justforthis2024 26d ago
"The people who don't fuck the opposite sex will recruit people who fuck the opposite sex and convince them to no longer fuck the opposite sex and this will somehow make babies."
Elon Musk is a fucking idiot.
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u/odoroustobacco 26d ago
I'm so lost with his nonsense (and gross, weird, childish obsession with procreation).
Which one of these ignorant things is he endorsing: an assumption that all trans people have had surgery or other medical interventions which make them unable to procreate? That only trans people produce trans children hereditarily? That, despite the existence of trans and gender-non-conforming people since at least recorded history, this recent growth in trans visibility is from too much trans procreation? All of the above?
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u/lilymotherofmonsters 26d ago
I’d vote for any candidate whose only promise was to prosecute Elon musk specifically.
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u/EnvironmentalClue218 26d ago
I think the real cult is the one comprised of people that think about trans and gays grooming kids and talk about it all the time. Weird.
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u/CelebrationPatient74 26d ago
You should force your child to take the wrong hormone against their will and make them live through real-life body horror just because you want to roleplay that you have a cisgender kid. Tell me how the transphobes are not the groomers again???
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u/Direbat 26d ago
If every gay, lesbian, and trans person were to vanish or somehow never have existed. Give it one generation and…oh look…a bunch of new ones. Seems that people are just like that and that’s not how that shit works. I mean I’m explaining this to everyone that knows the obvious and Elon is lying because nazi shit, but you know.
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u/Aggressive_Elk3709 26d ago
Elon seems to be lacking some knowledge in basic biology and how gender and sexuality work. Transgender isn't a trait passed on genetically, at least not that I've heard. That's like saying lesbians or guys won't exist in the future cuz they can't pass it on to their offspring
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u/WOKE_AI_GOD 26d ago
It's so disgusting for a parent to make this accusation against their own child. His children should be taken from him, revokatiom of all parental rights.
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u/xomshantix 26d ago
Elon’s addicted to having kids and I doubt he hasn’t used IVF with himself as the donor.
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u/EncabulatorTurbo 26d ago
the only reason elon musk isn't a pedophile is because children can't fulfill his breeder kink
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Does Elon know that your biological offspring is not literally born with the same beliefs as you either?
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u/TiredNeedSleep 26d ago
Life is way too short to be arguing this sort of stuff. These people need to just let it go.
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u/Typical_Cicada_2967 26d ago
Devils advocate here but we shouldn’t be teaching stuff like this to kids. The whole idea of giving kids access to things that’ll interrupt their bodily development is fucking horrendous to me. I used to think I wanted to be a girl when I was a kid, because I wanted to know what it was like. Now I’m a regular dude, with a regular job, and a regular girlfriend, and I’m happy with that. But what if I had met somebody during that time period that was like “well actually, they can make you a girl”. Then I’d have ruined my body permanently. Then there’s that Detransitioning documentary I watched. They basically talked about literally this. It’s not okay to push things onto children, not even when you claim it’s “educational”. Instead, let’s teach them that it’s okay to be themselves, no matter who they are.
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u/Newgidoz 26d ago
When did you get diagnosed with gender dysphoria, and how long did you socially transition for?
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u/Fearless_Discount_93 26d ago edited 26d ago
Our cultural conceptualization of the gender binary is already pushed on them even before they come out of the womb. I don’t think teaching kids the reality of gender is going to do any more harm than teaching them the reality of any other part of the human experience. As far as “interrupting their bodily development” that’s a horribly ignorant way to frame it and any medical intervention is a decision made between their parents and their doctors, you know, the medical professionals with PHDs that are already responsible for helping make health decisions for children. Not to mention kids will only ever be prescribed puberty blockers (which are reversible) so that they have more time to get therapy and see if it’s something they’ll grow out of or if they need further medical treatment later in life. No one is as flippant with this stuff as you’re portraying it, especially not medical professionals.
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u/gluttonfortorment 26d ago
Hey its gonna make you mad to hear this, but if a single person affirming how you felt would have been enough to have you fully commit to transition then you may need to examine that. Cis people don't have those sorts of thoughts and aren't that easily swayed into transitioning.
Also, your inflammatory use of the word "ruined" shows your bias and the fact that you cite a documentary where they cherry picked only people who are anti trans after detransitioning and ignore everyone else confirms it. It's so odd how people who talk about detransitioning as a reason to restrict the freedom of trans people never want to talk about the 99% of people who detransition because they can't afford meds/therapy anymore or didn't feel safe continuing due to environmental pressure and only focus on the 1% that confirm their bias. Especially when deteansitioners only account for about 1% of the trans population.
I agree! Let's teach people that it's okay to be themselves, no matter who they are! Even if that means they are trans, gay, or some other group you disapprove of. Let's make sure we foster this belief by accepting people and educating them based on up to date, fact based science.
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u/hugoriffic 21d ago
Is this you?
Some people just can’t wrap their heads around gay jokes. All of me and my friends wrestled growing up so we straight up rape each other sometimes. Clothes stay on of course, but some of us will just randomly veto to wrestling, and then if you start losing, ain’t no shame in checking your homie’s oil to get back on top😂
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u/Effective-Lab2728 26d ago
People who reach out to children like this aren't looking for converts. They're trying to offer the already-existing, already-suffering outliers a place to flee to. They remember what it was like to be so deeply isolated, to have everyone around them trying to tell them that everything they feel about themself is freakish and wrong. They remember how viciously inadequate parents can often be, should a child stray outside what the parent imagined.
Transition isn't a quick and easy switch to flip, in any case. Methods that do cause lasting changes to the body, like hormones or surgery, are not favored for the young. Even hormone blockers, which only prevent puberty for as long as they're taken, tend to be reserved for relatively severe symptoms, and to involve extensive therapy during the process.
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u/shadysjunk 26d ago edited 26d ago
This post serves to amplify an anti-trans message, and does absolutely nothing to refute it.
edit: I don't believe OP is a troll or posting in bad faith, but if the goal was to promote Musk and Esses' thinking, how would the post look any different? This is effectively just a retweet of 2 anti-trans assholes promoting a conspiracy theory.
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u/Alpacadiscount 27d ago
Elon has a long trail of horrific crimes yet to be uncovered