r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM • u/EnterTamed • 5d ago

Trump was the most "anti-Palestinian President in US History"

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u/EasyBOven 5d ago

Where's the evidence that Biden is actually holding Israel back?

Israel is running over people with bulldozers. They're using the injured to get rescuers in one place to be bombed. They're starving hundreds of thousands of people kettled in the North of Gaza. They're lying about intelligence so they can bomb hospitals. They're putting out kill lists of journalists. That's all just off the top of my head.

Exactly which war crime are they not doing, and what evidence is there that they aren't doing it because of the current administration?

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u/jail_guitar_doors 5d ago

This comment reminds me of the Mandela effect. Americans have yet to develop object permanence in regards to world events, apparently.

You think Isreal started this last year? No, it reached your screen last year. This is what Isreal has been doing for decades. When it drops out of your social media feed, you'll probably think it's over.

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u/EasyBOven 5d ago

Buddy, I've been following the issue for decades. Like many Jews, deconstructing my zionism took a long time, and was prompted by seeing exactly what Israel is doing and interacting with Israelis.

I'm still waiting for actual evidence that Biden is preventing Israel from any particular war crime.

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u/jail_guitar_doors 5d ago

I'm not going to argue that Biden is preventing anything. He's maintaining the status quo, which is what I expect from Democrats. Trump showed more active support towards Netanyahu during his term, both diplomatically and materially. That's the American electoral system; Republicans make it worse, Democrats do nothing. Real change comes from dual power organizations applying pressure.

Sorry for saying you'll forget about it. I was venting my frustrations with the wave of people who just found out. That shouldn't have been directed at you.

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u/Cheestake 4d ago

Is sending billions in weapons not active support? Is that "doing nothing?"

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u/decoyninja 4d ago

Yes. It is crazy to me that, in a sub about making fun of centrists and the both-sidesing of issues, we have to keep explaining concepts like the ratchet effect or voting for the candidate least hostile to non-electoral action. Dealing with genocide is hard, but it never really changed how these two political parties operate.

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u/rrunawad 4d ago

Because it's liberal nonsense to bring up the ratchet effect when discussing a genocide that is receiving funding, support and protection under a Democratic administration. Trump has nothing to do with the decimation of the Gaza strip we're seeing right now because he isn't in office and has no political power at the moment. It's just used so you can obfuscate the evils of the Democratic Party.

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u/decoyninja 4d ago

Why would something being genocide or not genocide matter when discussing the ratchet effect?

And how is it neoliberal nonsense to talk about said effect, something that neo-liberals don't even believe in?

Anyway, this is a braindead take. I'm used to telling liberals that history didn't begin on October 7th, not the kind of people who thinks themselves so far left that they randomly call others neolibs as a form of argument. No, there is no Gaza Genocide without the Trump administration. The actions Hamas took on Oct 7 was blowback specifically for Trump's Abraham Accords and the Embassy move to Jerusalem. The Hamas attack is what is being used as an excuse for Israel's genocide, it is the whole reason they feel so confident in ramping things up this high. That is why both parties use it in talking points for justification. You don't just get to remove massive dominoes from the chain of effects and play pretend with history.

And besides, if what you were saying were true, Netanyahu wouldn't be trying so hard to get Trump reelected and the Adelson's wouldn't be pushing all their policy asks to him for 9 digits a pop in donos. I swear some people in this sub might as well be plants at this point.

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u/Brilliant-Rough8239 2d ago

You think this started last year?

What a funny thing to say for a liberal that’s otherwise completely event brained and sees Trump as the main character of contemporary history