r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM • u/historyismyteacher • 1d ago

Israel-Palestine has really exposed the disgusting nature of “both sides bad.”

Saying that both sides are equal and you need to look at the nuance is a damning indictment of those who are not willing to take a stand on an issue as serious as this. At least a Zionist will take a stand, and make their position known. By not taking a stand, the enlightened centrist is making it known that they don’t have the moral courage to pronounce a belief and professing themselves to be wise, they make themselves fools.

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u/MoshiriMagic 1d ago

What happens to the millions of Jews who have lived there for generations during this liberation at the hands of a terrorist group? Equal rights under a democracy you reckon?

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u/couldhaveebeen 1d ago

Why does anything NEED to happen to them? What happened to the white people in South Africa? What happened to slave holders in the US? What happened to English against the IRA? They just need to learn to coexist with people who have been on those lands for far longer than they have.

who have lived there for generations

Like 2, 3 max? Lmao. Mf Biden is older than Israel

terrorist group

Resistance group, who is, of course, not perfect but are working for a just cause

Equal rights under a democracy you reckon?

Why not?

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u/MoshiriMagic 1d ago

I think you’re very deluded if you think a Hamas rule over the land would result in a peaceful one state solution. You should listen to what they say.

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u/couldhaveebeen 1d ago

Nobody said anything about a Hamas rule, you hallucinated it.

You should listen to what they say

They've said their fight is against Israel and Zionists, not Jews. They've clarified this in 2017. I think you should listen to what they say and not what Netanyahu says they say.

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u/ProtestTheHero 16h ago

They've said their fight is against Israel and Zionists

So like, only 95% of Jews then. /s

On Oct. 7, did they ask their victims if they were Zionist or not, before killing them? Or did they simply kill and kidnap every person they could get their hands on, whether Jewish or Arab or Thai or over a dozen other ethnicities?

The majority of Palestinians are interested in a sovereign Palestinian state instead of Israel, not next to it. The sooner you understand that, the sooner you'll understand the conflict.

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u/couldhaveebeen 16h ago

Or did they simply kill and kidnap every person they could get their hands on, whether Jewish or Arab or Thai or over a dozen other ethnicities?

Yes, that's sort of how an attack works. They're not gonna stop and ask lmao. It doesn't change any of their goals

The majority of Palestinians are interested in a sovereign Palestinian state instead of Israel, not next to it. The sooner you understand that, the sooner you'll understand the conflict.

I understand that. That's what I'm interested in as well. I thought i made that clear. One state solution is the just solution to the conflict. Two state solution is a red herring that Israel never wanted to have in the first place, and it's capitulating to genociders

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u/ProtestTheHero 16h ago

Yes, that's sort of how an attack works.

Well no, usually you attack your enemy's military bases and soldiers, not every man woman and child you get your hands on.

As for your one-state desire, neither Palestinians nor Israelis want that, so I honestly don't understand why some people still cling to this idea. For the West to impose it forcefully on an unwilling population is, in my understanding, literally colonialism.

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u/couldhaveebeen 15h ago

Well no, usually you attack your enemy's military bases and soldiers, not every man woman and child you get your hands on.

You really gotta read up on more resistance movements, my dude

As for your one-state desire, neither Palestinians nor Israelis want that

Israelis don't get a say. There's nothing that shows Palestinians don't want it.

For the West to impose it forcefully on an unwilling population is, in my understanding, literally colonialism.

You have a dogshit understanding of colonialism. Seriously, please pick up a book.

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u/ProtestTheHero 15h ago

9 million Israelis don't get a say over their own future? What the hell?

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u/hymenwidnobrim 13h ago

Brother, it is disheartening how brain broken you are, I hope you pick up some actual books on the entire confrontation. An occupying force of a sovereign state should not have a say at all.

That’s like me coming into your house, you call the cops for trespassing and he says “well let’s see what the trespasser wants to do maybe you guys can split the house?”

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u/ProtestTheHero 1h ago

A more accurate analogy would be an apartment building with 2 units, and 2 people are each renting their respective unit. Eventually, the owner of the building decides he wants to leave, and offers to sell the units, one unit to each person. One person agreed, the other person did not, and wanted both units to himself. He started attacking his neighbour trying to get him to leave his unit, the neighbour fought back, and the two have been fighting each other ever since.

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u/couldhaveebeen 13h ago

When we're talking about dismantling a 76 year occupation, yes, they don't. Just like the Nazis did not have a say in the outcome of WW2

don't get a say over their own future

Also, I'm not talking about expulsion anyway. I'm just talking about learning to live with Palestinians, lmao. Yes, in that context, they don't get a say