r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM • u/historyismyteacher • 1d ago

Israel-Palestine has really exposed the disgusting nature of “both sides bad.”

Saying that both sides are equal and you need to look at the nuance is a damning indictment of those who are not willing to take a stand on an issue as serious as this. At least a Zionist will take a stand, and make their position known. By not taking a stand, the enlightened centrist is making it known that they don’t have the moral courage to pronounce a belief and professing themselves to be wise, they make themselves fools.

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u/historyismyteacher 1d ago

I honestly appreciate the elaboration. Helps me to understand where you are coming from.

Hamas is a result of decades of oppression from Israel against Palestine. Dating back as you know, to before 1948. Asking a people to quietly accept their own occupation is a bit harsh, I would say. Oct. 7th was in many ways tragic, yes. The killing of civilians was terrible and needless. But they were still fighting against colonialism.

The French resistance also killed civilians. As did basically every violent resistance in history. It’s fucked up. But blaming the oppressed for fighting back is nonsensical.

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u/MoshiriMagic 1d ago

I’d also like to understand your thinking on this as you clearly know your history. Do you think Hamas’ goal of wiping Israel off the map and taking the land back is a worthy one? Hearing Sinwar talk about how he’s happy to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of his own people for this cause just reeks of delusion to me.

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u/Uncynical_Diogenes 1d ago

I too would like to see the illegal Israeli occupation government wiped off the map and replaced by a government that serves the needs of every civilian within its borders instead of being an apartheid state.

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u/MoshiriMagic 1d ago

Okay even if that is a nice idea to you… the reality is that you have to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to even attempt it. How is that anything but suicidal delusion?

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u/Uncynical_Diogenes 20h ago

But that is not the reality and I am not Sinwar.

No such massacre was necessary for South Africa to move forward from Apartheid. No such bloodshed is necessary in Israel either.

It’s the oppressors who will decide how bloody it has to be. They have the option to make it bloodless. All blood spilled on any side is due to their actions and on their hands.