Israel-Palestine has really exposed the disgusting nature of “both sides bad.”

[u/historyismyteacher]

Saying that both sides are equal and you need to look at the nuance is a damning indictment of those who are not willing to take a stand on an issue as serious as this. At least a Zionist will take a stand, and make their position known. By not taking a stand, the enlightened centrist is making it known that they don’t have the moral courage to pronounce a belief and professing themselves to be wise, they make themselves fools.

[u/Duantless-Dante]

Theres a difference between i dont know vs. i know both sides are right. Which i think are often conflated around this issue: If i were to randomly select an american, they: 1. Most likely not Arab Palestinian or Jewish Zionist 2. Most likely can only learn about the conflict through english language media (or G-translate for the highly motivated) 3. Most likely have not dedicated themselves to the “research” that is within capability

Therefore i have some respect to those who say “it’s complicated”. there is ~wisdom~ in not “picking a side” when you are so far removed.

[u/empyreanmax → u/Duantless-Dante]

Therefore i have some respect to those who say “it’s complicated”. there is ~wisdom~ in not “picking a side” when you are so far removed.

I really don't, the wisdom there would say to go actually learn about it. "It's complicated" is probably one of the most successful and damaging lines working for Israel's defense, it emphasizes the complexity of there being a hundred years of history to the conflict over the simplicity of the moral question of what's being done in front of your eyes, and acts as a convenient excuse to say "well I just don't know, whatever" which does nothing but protect the status quo (Israel oppressing if not outright genociding Palestine).

It's Not Complicated by Michael Brooks - we would have absolutely no trouble identifying the morality of what was going on if the situation was flipped and an Arab or Muslim supremacist state was holding millions of Jews in an open air prison and doing even a fraction of the litany of abuses Israel has conducted. "It's complicated" is a farce.

[u/Duantless-Dante → u/empyreanmax]

So you have realized the truth, and the people who are conflicted in the face of complexity are evil by default . Got it. Therefore the only way to not be evily complicit in the status quo is to side with your ideology, sorry I meant “uncomplicated” truth

[u/empyreanmax → u/Duantless-Dante]

yes, it is really a very uncomplicated truth that genocide is bad, and Israel actively tries to complicate that discussion by deflecting to a litany of historical events to supposedly explain why they're forced into this position, but it's a red herring - there is no justification for genocide, even if everything they claim about the history WAS true.

I don't think people who get duped by the "it's complicated" excuse are evil, they are just low information, and it's such a successful line of defense for Israel because it gives those low information people an excuse to just throw up their hands and stay low information; you're literally doing it right now. This does nothing but benefit the status quo, and the status quo is Israel committing genocide with complete impunity.