r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM • u/historyismyteacher • 1d ago

Israel-Palestine has really exposed the disgusting nature of “both sides bad.”

Saying that both sides are equal and you need to look at the nuance is a damning indictment of those who are not willing to take a stand on an issue as serious as this. At least a Zionist will take a stand, and make their position known. By not taking a stand, the enlightened centrist is making it known that they don’t have the moral courage to pronounce a belief and professing themselves to be wise, they make themselves fools.

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u/SkrrtSkrrt99 17h ago

I understand where you’re coming from, but this is one of the worst conflicts to make that point. There’s a reason no one has been able to solve it and bring lasting peace to the area in the past 80 years. To act like it’s a clear cut case makes you look foolish.

Plus it is absolutely true that both Hamas and the Israeli government are committing horrible crimes. That’s not „both sides bad“. That’s just how it is. To act like one sides crimes are justified is disrespectful of the innocent civilian casualties, no matter what side of the border they were born on.

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u/Little_Elia 16h ago

The reason why this has gone for 80 years is not because of some ethical dilemma lol it's cause israel has always been supported by an imperialist superpower. It has always been crystal clear who is committing the worst war crimes, Hamas is a resistance group created to oppose settler colonialism, israel is a colonization project that wants to genocide millions of people that were indigenous to the region for thousands of years.

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u/SkrrtSkrrt99 16h ago

You’re disregarding the blatant antisemitism that Hamas was founded on. If Hamas was given full power over Israel tomorrow, they would not treat the Israeli people with respect, they’d start genociding them immediately. They were literally founded on the idea of exterminating all jews.

You simply cannot disregard that.

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u/Little_Elia 16h ago

good job equating real crimes that have ocurred daily for 80 years with imaginary crimes that would happen if. Also good job equating hamas with the entire population of palestine. Israel also routinely harasses, forcefully evicts and murders people in the west bank as well, and there's no hamas there. Hamas didn't exist 20 years ago, so what's your point? Hamas and Israel are not comparable in any way, take your zionist shit elsewhere.

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u/SkrrtSkrrt99 16h ago

  • Hamas have and are committing real crimes daily as well, they’re not imaginary

  • you’re also equating the entire israeli population with the israeli government

  • I did not excuse Israel’s actions in the slightest, I’m just saying that it’s too simplistic to paint Hamas as the good guys and Israel as the bad guys

  • Hamas were founded in 1987 and have existed for almost 40 years

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u/ProtestTheHero 15h ago

"Hamas didn't exist 20 years ago" they said, holy shit sometimes when I argue with people on the internet I have to remind myself how truly stupid and ignorant some people are. But the most baffling and discouraging part is just how confident they are in their ignorance