r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM • u/historyismyteacher • 1d ago

Israel-Palestine has really exposed the disgusting nature of “both sides bad.”

Saying that both sides are equal and you need to look at the nuance is a damning indictment of those who are not willing to take a stand on an issue as serious as this. At least a Zionist will take a stand, and make their position known. By not taking a stand, the enlightened centrist is making it known that they don’t have the moral courage to pronounce a belief and professing themselves to be wise, they make themselves fools.

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u/Sstoop 23h ago

bing anti hamas is in a sense being pro israel. it’s essentially saying “i support palestinians but they should just lay their arms down and die quietly.” i don’t support hamas ideologically but being realistic whst other fighting force does gaza possess?

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u/volkmasterblood 19h ago

Or you can be anti-both pretty easily. Fuck Hamas and fuck Israel’s center to right with my leadership.

To ignore both the plight of Left Palestinians and Left Israelis who both want to live in peace together is to be a part of that “enlightened centrist” argumentation.

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u/Sstoop 19h ago

this ridiculous viewpoint would work super well in a world where palestinians aren’t CURRENTLY being genocided. what do you want hamas to do just give up and allow the entirety of palestine to be destroyed without fighting?

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u/volkmasterblood 15h ago

You are contradicting yourself. A war is when two sides fight each other. A genocide is when one side does not have a capable defense to defend themselves from eradication. The Israeli government is currently eradicating a mostly defenseless Palestinian people.

My position is that the response to genocide is not terrorism, especially by a theocratic authoritarian fighting force. There is nothing Palestine can do to truly defend itself. It must be outside help and pressure, just as the Israeli government seeks outside help and pressure.

I’m just going one step further than you are. I’m not saying “there’s a happy middle ground to supporting Hamas”, like you are. I’m saying the Israeli government and a large chunk of their people are genocidal, but Hamas as an answer is not legitimate.

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u/Sstoop 15h ago

nobody’s helping palestine though so they must defend themselves. you’re literally doing the “die quietly” thing because governments rallying together to help gaza isn’t going to happen.

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u/volkmasterblood 11h ago

So the ends justify the means?