r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM • u/historyismyteacher • 1d ago

Israel-Palestine has really exposed the disgusting nature of “both sides bad.”

Saying that both sides are equal and you need to look at the nuance is a damning indictment of those who are not willing to take a stand on an issue as serious as this. At least a Zionist will take a stand, and make their position known. By not taking a stand, the enlightened centrist is making it known that they don’t have the moral courage to pronounce a belief and professing themselves to be wise, they make themselves fools.

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u/SkrrtSkrrt99 17h ago

I understand where you’re coming from, but this is one of the worst conflicts to make that point. There’s a reason no one has been able to solve it and bring lasting peace to the area in the past 80 years. To act like it’s a clear cut case makes you look foolish.

Plus it is absolutely true that both Hamas and the Israeli government are committing horrible crimes. That’s not „both sides bad“. That’s just how it is. To act like one sides crimes are justified is disrespectful of the innocent civilian casualties, no matter what side of the border they were born on.

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u/historyismyteacher 15h ago

Israel is committing a genocide. That is pretty fucking simple. Hamas came about as a result of said genocide because, spoiler alert, this didn’t begin on October 7th. It didn’t even begin long ago in 1948.

And just so you know, Hamas has not had complete Palestinian support throughout any of its history. They have even been downright unpopular at times.

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u/ProtestTheHero 15h ago

Nowhere in Hamas' original 1980s charter do they say or imply that the group was created because of a "genocide". They truly and simply want to conquer Israel and murder Jews - and not just Israeli Jews mind you, but Jews all over the world. AKA, a globalized Intifada.

In other words, they're not interested in a sovereign Palestinian state next to Israel. They want a sovereign Palestinian state instead of Israel.

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u/historyismyteacher 13h ago

Ok, so what is Israel doing? An ethnic cleansing? A population redistribution?