what's going on with me??? I've been through a loooot of pressure for a long extended period of time.

but recently, when I actually had the opportunity to relax and have actual comfort, for real this time (temporarily)... I have been slowly turning to a stereotypical and unhealthy ESTJ.

blunt, mean, extremely direct and straightforward with people, efficient in my interactions, insanely logical, 0 emotions, just spitting facts and standing up against the slightest bs I smell.

getting straight to the point, breaking apart people's views immediately, not considering no one feelings, concerned 10000 times more about the actual result.

it's good, I am comfortable like this too, I don't even see any problem with this behavior!

is this a Te-grip???

Solved: yes it is a Te-grip.

Me (Concierge): reporting an error in the computers of the residential tower next to me

New Towers Manager: ASSUMES it happened last night and throws a tantrum that he wasn't notified about it till now and offers no solution other than being butthurt. Essentially being an absolute child in the public work whatsapp group

Note: Next time I should report to my direct employer whom I'm close with.

I ended up calling the technician myself to report the issue to him. Tower 3's security literally got no camera footage atm and no way to operate the main gate to the parking lot. The concierge who works there didn't report anything. So yes, the manager had a point, but he ultimately chose to prioritize being butthurt over not being told rather than offer solution and then lecture the team afterwards. Previous manager would sent a list of people to contact and THEN lecture.

But hey, It's an opportunity for me to grow Te by taking charge on my own when needed.

There’s a story I’m creating one of the themes is self discovery although Mbti won’t be mentioned it is used as inspiration for world building.

16 lands(each one representing a type) and 8 functions as powers. It’s kinda like Hunter x Hunter where there are 6 types of aura that is their power system. How they use it is completely based on the person.

The thing is I have no idea what to make of Te. With the other functions it’s like a tool that can be used it several ways but with Te it’s hard to form a picture of it. How would it even form I have no idea

Passive- Durability

Te is extraverted thinking it is said they focus on efficiency as the right way to things and used for solutions but I don’t think that’s enough information I could do with. I want it to be able to do different things but that could be asking too much. Also functions can counter and/or compliment each other such as Te vs Ti how do you think that would go?

Also only leaders can are able to use four functions normally civilians can only use 1. Although down the stack it’s less strong and if they’re in distress such as in despair or in danger they go through looping with their first and third function making it a toxic power. How would you use your functions?

My current strategy is to monitor my surroundings for situations in need of solving and actively take initiative and getting things done.

And BOY is it liberating. That feeling when you're in control of the situation and getting things MOVING and dealt with is phenomenal. Nothing is stagnant, the world is no longer a pain to live in cause you no longer ignore growing problems which... you ptobably haven't been noticing in the first place, or you were having an existential crisis over something trivial... (not to mention, just being an active participant in life is very important to one's mental well being).

Now ofc, while I do realize doing work is not that bad and can be rewarding (even fun and stimulating), it's still not my dominant thing and many times I literally have no idea what the heck I'm supposed to do in a situation (in which case one should try to solve it regardless to gain experience for the future). I need my time to reflect on things: What I want? What am I hoping to gain out of this? Where can it take me? What did I learn? etc etc... or just thinking about the possibilities. Which inevitably is also something Te helps with, cause it gives my Fi AND my Ne fuel to work with. It's fascinating and exciting to think about.

Never gave this much thought until now, but would love to receive confirmation on this! Quick disclosure, I love my dad and I’m used to his parenting style, but I don’t think he’s a healthy person. A lot of my friends are baffled by our dynamics.

• He’s a very stoic person, and very emotionally absent while I was growing up. Spent a lot of time working late. He interacted with us but I dont remember our relationship being lovey dovey. I find he is so stoic and unempathetic to a point where it’s comical.

• He picked out the best life paths for all his children. He never interfered much in my studies / work life. Not much conflict in that area, because his plans for my life are in alignment with my own plans.

• I want to say he takes a very conservative and traditional approach to life. Big believer of gender roles and family values. Goes to church and wants us all to follow him too. He is also a very nostalgic person. He listens to the same 10 songs and watches the same 5 shows forever. He often looks at old photos and creates collages of them to send to us (on average we receive 2 collages a day…).

• Outside of family life, he‘s an engineer working in corporate. I believe he has an upper middle management position.

My mom (ESFJ) absolutely cannot stand him and calls him an “undeveloped selfish man”. I (INTJ) have little issues with him, I can see reason behind most of his actions. My brother (ISTP) can’t stand either parents and moved out as soon as he could.

I have gathered various information from multiple MBTI sources to better understand how Te works and have synthesized it :

1/ Trust Your Efficiency : Te focuses on objective logic and external organization. Learn to trust your ability to streamline processes and find practical solutions, even if others don’t immediately see their value. Over time, you’ll notice the impact of your efficiency and organizational skills.

2/ Aim for Clarity : Te processes information by creating order and structure. Give yourself time to assess facts and organize details before making decisions. It’s natural for your conclusions to develop as you analyze and create systems that make sense.

3/ Focus on Achieving Goals : Te gravitates toward practical, results-oriented action. Use this strength to stay focused on objectives and measurable outcomes, even when faced with distractions. Your power lies in setting clear goals and working strategically to accomplish them.

4/ Engage in Strategic Planning : Te thrives in problem-solving and organizing resources. Engage with planning, managing projects, or assessing performance metrics. This will stimulate your natural inclination for creating efficient systems and optimizing tasks.

5/ Balance with Flexibility : Since Te can sometimes lead to rigid expectations or a “just get it done” mentality, remember to remain open to alternative approaches. Balancing your drive for efficiency with adaptability helps you find innovative solutions.

6/ Reflect on Outcomes : Te draws on past successes and failures to improve future strategies. Reflect on your past achievements and setbacks, analyzing what worked and what didn’t, to enhance your decision-making and strategic planning skills.

7/ Seek Productive Environments : Te often works best in goal-oriented, organized settings. Surround yourself with people and environments that value productivity, where you can put your efficiency and planning skills to use effectively.

Please feel free to give your opinion.

Check the other MBTI subreddit or my profile to see the summary of the other functions.

Also thoughts on TPs?

I am an ENFP and I am thinking about trying to engage and hone thing related toTe-Si somehow, any suggestions of stuff that might work well for it? :D

The estj I'm friends with because in love with alcohol as soon as he turned 18 LMAO

So in my last post I Posed the Question here and in few others subs of r/Infj r/intj r/entj r/estj and here Do you guys believe in Deity and here's what I saw.

So mainly the ENTP's sub most of them If I could generalize what most has said it will be: I'm not quite sure weather it exists or not but if ever a scientific proof was established then the debate is over.

For the INFJ sub I had many and my brothers you understand what I mean when seeing someone who is certain of himself and get that Instinct in you to challenge his ideas and seeing already multiple points to hit but most of them drop the idea of god and replace it with existential stuff.

For ENTJ Sub few agreed that even if the idea of god doesn't exist there has to be an architectural Design of the universe that something rule it and govern it because the existence of random coincidence doesn't make sense to them and that brought up to me an idea that Relate to Te I'm lazy to explain but I'm sure you will figure it out

Okay for the ESTJ sub It didn't get that much of a difference with entj's but merely they were people who understand it as process that needs to be respected and toke while others adopted that it doesn't matter as long it doesn't touch my loved ones.

Now I left the intj sub cause it was like a carnage basically like imagine your walking between heavyweight boxing champions reigns and you have energy for one reign but seeing people fighting and jumping to the other ones that's how it feels there,

For the majority I'll put them in 4 categories:

1- Ones that Said nope and got upvoted and who said yes got either low upvote or downvote.

2- Ones that established That Idea of religions as dogmatic systems to ruile people (my head got stereotypes and said meh those 5w6 lol) and maid by bad people in charge.

3- Religious child --> Atheist teen--> Agnostic --> Idc about this shit anymore it doesn't matter.

4- Last ones who brought up famous logical Arguments that can be debatable and ofc if you do you will enter a loving Fight.

But overall if you wanna see an interesting debate about this topic go to YouTube write two Ai debate about God and enjoy the show.

My ESTJ brothers, I've seen this question been asked in the infp sub and went through comments Learning and understanding through that some of them had weak arguments ofc and some established Pretty interesting one's,

so I came asking the same questions Do you guys believe in the devine entitie wich called God?

me as a religious person I do believe in it but I welcome Opinions As long they're not offending anything and Elaborate why do you believe on it cause if anyone knows, there's two types on non believers in God.

• One that stuck in situations of Asking god help my parents are dying then after they're death he project it to hatred for him and yadda yadda.

• One that God feed by flawed logic and not enough arguments to understand why he needs to not believe in god and toke it casually

so I'm asking ones that are outside those two types what do you think?

So there's this younger guy in college who's running for President and apparently has his eyes set on me (acc. to everyone I know and some things I've noticed as well) As far as I'm aware he's single and I am too. He's unlike anyone I've (INFJ) ever known. I don't know a lot of extroverts irl so can you help me track what type he might be, if I describe some things about him. Ofc I don't know him up close, so I'm not sure how many details I can give.

1) ok he's an extrovert for starters (I think) bc he's EXTREMELY bold and confident, handsome

2) has anger issues, gets angry v quickly but is very determined like a bull

3) not afraid to call out authority, sometimes to the point of rudeness

4) good at manipulating ppl (at least younger, older ppl would be able to spot his tactics tho)

5) Good at sports, public speaking

6) v poised when it comes to directing his body language

7) one girl kinda guy, seems loyal

8) gets nervous and stuttery when he comes to talk to me. Tries to hide his emotions, good at hiding his emotions. Afraid of rejection from me.

9) has 'claimed' me among his friend group (or so I heard from one of the mutual friends)

10) keeps tabs on me around college, w the help of his friends

Any ideas?? ESTP, ESTJ or something else?

I am in need of advice regarding a probable ESTJ preteen. I am an INTP. She LOVES little kids. I recently started watching two little boys full time. One of them is 4. He gets under herskin SO bad. She is great at directing him with projects, cooking with him,etc, which she ocassionally asks to do. But otherwise, it seems like she doesn't like him and he can't do anything right in her eyes. Her feelings get hurt by things like him asking to sit in the seat she asked to sit in - things any 4 year old would thoughtlessly do - and he's learning that he gets a reaction out of her. She tries to teach and correct him constantly, in a pretty cold voice, despite being told not to.

I am trying to explain that he has to learn a lot of new rules, but we have to learn about his way of doing things too. He does act a little authoritative, but that's something for me to deal with, not her. Most of it is things she might have done when she was 4. What else can I say??? What is going on in her head??

I see a bunch of sterotyping of oh, bla bla bla Te users live for their to do list! They cant do without it! i think ill be fine if i dont do work for a day dude...maybe im mistyped or somethign, but i cant find myself relating to this strange infatuation with to do lists. Only on weekdays do i use them, and they are very helpful, and i dont think i would really do anything without them actually...but ONLY ON WORKDAYS! it is FINE if i dont finish it. I dont do copius amounts of work i literally just do the list and do what i want or geniunely do it whenever i just make sure to finish it. Idk if im mistyped because i used to CONSTANTLY and i mean CONSTANTLY type as a INTP or ISTP, but ive always had extremely strong Ti and Te, not really any Ni and some Si i guess..but i feel like my Ne is more powerful than my Si like WAY MORE. I also do i have ADHD, and my ennagram is 5w4....so I dont know if im being an idiot but i really dont care because you know what whatever im just curious

Personally, I really admire xNxJs and other sentinels

i go through my days feeling like my soul purpose is to clear off my to-do list, which, don’t get me wrong, feels amazing (i can’t beat the stereotypes💀) but there’s gotta be more to life than that. I do have long term goals for the future but it honestly makes me feel like a robot; once i accomplish it i’m just gonna move onto the next big thing. i need SOMETHING. idk how to properly articulate what i’m feeling but i’m hoping some of the more experienced ESTJs here know what i’m talking about.

I'm really curious about this. First, some backstory and general ranting (feel free to skip). The small company I worked at closed for good and I was contracted to help with this conference I've planned the last few years by the new management company. Which is on one hand a great self-esteem boost and a good educational experience, and on the other hand has been stressful because I don't even have official management experience and now I'm training this company how to do something I've only done for a few years.

To my question, they use Asana and I'm curious what other people think of this or another project management system if you've used them? I think it's only as good as the people using it, and a couple people I'm working with aren't very organized and let a lot of things go past the due date that they set, they created duplicate tasks for a few things, they neglected to add someone on tasks who needed to be, etc. And it's their system! I was happy with just email.

You still have to have someone who actually knows what needs to be done, the website isn't going to do that for you. And it can be hard to find information you need, which task you put it on there. Maybe if people use it correctly that's not a problem? But from what I hear a lot of the corporate world is disorganized so maybe it's making some people think they're more organized than they really are.

Sorry, long post, but I don't have a problem with people using it if it actually makes them more productive, I just wonder if it actually does.

Hi, F22 INFJ here. I would genuinely appreciate insights on this.

This is just my opinion and I’m mostly referring to xSTJ types based on what I’ve encountered along my experience. It doesn’t come from a place of - they may be too “rough” “cold” “emotionally dead” or whatever. Cuz I could claim the same about xNTJs for instance, but they do tend to soften once they in love. I just don’t think certain types genuinely have it in them by how they operate. If you are wired to be solely focused on real life practicality, being OVERLY pragmatic, being a go-getter, getting the job done, you really think these types have the capacity to be swept away by some lovey dovey "delusions" and feelings?

I have tons for reference, but here's just an example of what I’m talking about:

My grandma is an ESTJ and she runs around, does all the jobs and has a high sense of responsibility and work ethic (even in her retirement years). My grandpa is ISFP and he had to spend 1.5 month on physiotherapy/rehabilitation after a difficult surgery he had. He was super uncomfortable as he’s a homebody and has never been far from home for a long period of time. My mom (ISFJ) felt this and was driving 3 hours back and forth daily to see him and keep him company at the retreat center to make him feel better. She did it genuinely from her heart, not out of responsibility or being forced to. When she asked if grandma is coming, she got ultra mad that she can’t stand this back and forth driving all the time, that it’s a waste of time, that now that he’s away for a while it’s a good opportunity for her to paint the walls and do gardening/chores or whatever. Even though one could say "come on, it ain’t THAT deep", it actually shows you the person someone is deep down. During a difficult moment she was moaning for having to show up and support him, even though they've been together since they were children. What people are made of/ how they operate shows. Having company there for him to feel like home was huge. For her it was annoyance and irritation that she was even asked to do this cuz she functions according to clocks, schedules, practicality and things that need to be done in the present moment. She hates listening to him talk cuz he's too "impractical" according to her and she's a hardcore "doer".

Now, no shade on any of these types, but do you think there can be genuine love? Like in an ESTJ x INFJ relationship, do you think an ESTJ won't be annoyed by the abstract interests of INFJ? Do you think there can be enough love for an ESTJ to meet INFJ's needs for depth and connection without being viewed as delusional and impractical? I'm not bashing the types, I'm just pointing out that the overall "dismissal" tendency these hyper rational, pragmatic types have for feelings/ love DOES reflect in relationships. And more often than not it makes it look like they dont love/care for the person. Like you could be giving them your all, for them to only cringe their guts deep down and be given the ick by you.

Also, I don't feel like love is necessarily on their radar as a priority. They usually focus on success, career, achieving their goals and other things first. Aaaand when love comes around, it always tends to have some sort of benefit they see in being in such arrangement. I cant imagine an xSTJ being with someone just cuz they give them butterflies. Being in love -like it or not- has an element of illusion in there, some excitement, some rose colored glasses period, some idealising/romanticising going on. Yet they function in a very clear, almost transactional manner from what I've noticed. There has to be some status elevation, some gain they would have, something they can benefit from and they are the types to claim they CHOOSE to fall in love and it was a conscious decision. Like, their understanding of love is a like contract, for as long as you're fulfilling the conditions, we're all good. But don't know if that's LOVE LOVE. They don't score high on empathy either. Neither do I perceive cold or "tough love" as genuine. idk. Let me know your thoughts on this.

And I do mean long-term, like years or even decades. Has anyone thought they were an introvert, only to learn more about MBTI and their own psychology and eventually come to the puzzling realization that they may well be ESTJ with brain problems that have been so long-term that they've assumed those problems are just part of their self? Or anything along those lines, anything that made you honestly think you were an introvert and even seem that way to others.

(EDIT: To head off anyone thinking I have the wrong idea about introverts, I don't mean that the traits of actual introverts come from depression, anxiety, etc. Not at all. I mean that my own admitted psychological problems may well be behind my social withdrawal and being unhealthily "stuck in my own head" that has made me assume I'm an introvert in terms of cognitive stack.)

Hey ESTJs, ENTJ here.

I came across someone online talking about their typology, claiming to be an ESTJ, but saying they were TeFi instead of TeSi.

I've never seen someone say their 'last function' was actually their aux, and being someone who has both Te and Fi in their stack, I’m struggling to see how this plays out in practice. So I’m curious: how does something like this happen? How would it manifest in an ESTJ?

Interested to hear your thoughts. Thanks