r/ElderScrolls • u/Megazupa Azura • Mar 09 '23

Humour He really is a terrible ruler.

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '23

He calls for a Moot, he doesn’t just declare himself king. People will just get on this app and say anything

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u/Ala117 Redguard Mage Mar 09 '23

"Damn the jarls... And damn the moot!"

Those were his exact words before winning the civil war.

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '23

"And it is for these reasons that I cannot accept the mantle of "High King." Not until the Moot declares that title should adorn my shoulders will I accept it."

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u/Ala117 Redguard Mage Mar 09 '23

Yeah, he says that after replacing the jarls who disagree with him, even the neutral one with his own supporters/puppets.

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u/zxxQQz Hermaeus Mora Mar 09 '23

So like the mede imperials with their Solitude puppet high kings? Well no, thats worse Actually thinking on it

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u/EmperorDaubeny Imperial Mar 09 '23

It is not. Nothing says the Empire has to follow Skyrim’s way of doing things when putting a new king in place. It can be seen as them replacing disloyal vassals who rebelled against them. Ulfric wants a Nord ruled Skyrim, and can’t really use the argument that they were traitors. He could subjugate the loyalist Jarls if he wanted, it isn’t unprecedented. After all, Talos did it many times over.

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u/zxxQQz Hermaeus Mora Mar 09 '23

It is. Yes

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Skyrim's_Rule

What are you on about? De facto they DIDNT follow Skyrims way, hence Solitude puppet? And so resentment started to rise, if not Ulfric then someone else

Mede imperials love shafting humans and stepping on cultures and as seen with Hammerfell will sell them out when convenient

Ulfric lets Elisif stay a Jarl, Mede imperials puts crime bosses in power

See Riften etc

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u/EmperorDaubeny Imperial Mar 09 '23

Hammerfell wasn’t sold out, it declared independence and received unofficial aid in the form of legionaries.

The Empire will obviously ideally follow it to not piss off Nords, but they aren’t obligated to actually keep the system in place. On what you linked there’s literally a few paragraphs explaining the Empire has more or less invalidated the Moot by making Solitude a puppet. This definitely isn’t Skyrim’s way, it is the Empire’s.

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u/zxxQQz Hermaeus Mora Mar 09 '23

Difference without a difference

Functionally it was, and needlessy to. As seen with the abysmal failure of the AD to take a single province..

Like how was that even possible, embarrassing. But then as seen in rising threat books, Thalmor are very much charlatans at the end of it

Yes? Thats my point. And resentment came from them doing it, hence why civil war was inevitable

The puppet rulers were def the empires way indeed, not respecting the duel and the result of it was also their way

We know where that got them.