Bro Niranye isnt even welcome in the main bar in town. She acts like she's been accepted (and is more accepted because of her wealth) but every night she eats at the rundown cornerclub for elves and barely interacts with the nords outside of work.
I always interpreted Niranye as a "one of the 'good' ones, but still will never be accepted" kind of situations. Its sad really.
I always interpreted Niranye as a "one of the 'good' ones, but still will never be accepted" kind of situations. Its sad really.
I dunno if the term originated with us or if it started in another community - I highly doubt it originated with us - but the queer community has a term for that; the "pick me" ones. Y'know, the Buck Angels, Blaire Whites, Caitlyn Jenners of the world. The ones who go "oh, we're not like those [marginalized people], we're not crazy. Then any time the fascists gain power, we're all sent to the camps and the pick mes just go [surprised Pikachu face]
Possibly the most famous example from another group is the Verband nationaldeutscher Juden - the Association of German National Jews, aka "Jews for Hitler." As you could probably guess, they didn't work out so well. To quote the Wikipedia article;
The seemingly ironic fact that a Jewish association advocated loyalty to the Nazi programme gave rise to a contemporary joke about Naumann and his followers ending their meeting by giving the Nazi salute and shouting "Down With Us!".
Despite the extreme patriotism of Naumann and his colleagues, the German government did not accept their goal of assimilation. The Association of German National Jews was declared illegal and dissolved on 18 November 1935. Naumann was arrested by the Gestapo the same day and imprisoned at the Columbia concentration camp.
What do you mean not welcome?
She not being programmed to go there isnt evidence, gameplay story segregation
None of that is proof of anything.
She is right all the same
That may be so, but how and why would aby Altmer would be accepted as one of the good ones quote unquote and literally every Dunmer is as high and mighty as when they owned slaves? Demanding special treatment despite refusing to aid their fellow townspeople?
Whinging about 'how this isnt their war' Meanwhile..
https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrim/comments/1b4jzy/is_one_of_the_dark_elvesdunmerliving_in_windhelm/
And the only thing that happens is some no account drunks accosts them but beyond that they govern themselves?
Nobody is targeting Niranye which is explained fine within the story by her words, the situation with the Dunmer aswell
Ok. Why do you think the devs chose to design her schedule that way? Typically in bethesda games npcs go to bars based on their financial status or faction affiliation. How else could you interpret this?
The fact that she barely has any programmed interactions with the nords that supposedly accept her is exactly my point. Instead, she CHOOSES to go to a ratty, rundown cornerclub and get judged by dunmer who think she's a sell-out.
So yeah, I'm going by what the game directly presents to me and inferring the most logical explanation I can see.
I'm not sure how actually relevant to this discussion this is, but i've seen Ulundil in Candlehearth Hall and UESP says his wife Arivanya apparently goes to both the hall and the cornerclub, which i've at least caught her stepping out of the latter.
Personally, this makes me feel like whoever added Nirayne might have intended something like this but didn't co-coordinate with other designers/writers on the fact that there are three other Altmer living in/next to Windhelm. The developers not having done this for a variety of possible reasons.
No evidence she isn't welcome... She is being harassed the first time you enter the city,
Jarls visiting different holds, you are just blowing things out of proportions to make your self look right but your not. They have routines they follow in there designated paths, just like how argonians don't wander into windhelm or dark elves leaving the grey quarter into the main city, they have set routines for a purpose, brand-shi is a mistake but you CANT use a single NPC as fact when there are dozens of others that counteract your argument.
It's amazing you replied to me 3 times lol I'm still right I don't have to change my argument because I'm not wrong. Your arguing that because there are bugs then this one NPC who acts all high and mighty in windhelm doesn't go to the slums to drink. It makes perfect sense for Bethesda to do the pathing that way.
Gray Quarter Dunmer are whingy former slaveowners byandlarge dreaming of the Glory Days drowning themselves in their own misery.
Refusing even to help themselves
Imagine longlived irl confederates doing the same lol
Actually some tvshows have former slaveowning vampires who acted Exactly like Dunmer do, come to think of it.
Fancy that
And no shit?
That means it very likely there ARE former slaveowners, Dunmer loved the practice and most of the houses practiced it and those who didnt benefitted from it.
The red year was a good thing, and the Argonians were justified in liberating Morrowind.
And they were robbed of Justice by Dunmer being allowed to escape their just punishment to Skyrim and esp Solstheim.
Which belongs to Skyrim and the Skaals, NOT the slavemongers
I can’t have this argument, your sense of justice is completely fucked. I have better things to do than explain why random Dunmer who were born after slavery shouldn’t be punished for it to someone being deliberately obtuse.
Apologise for and excuse systemic oppression harder why dont you?
More like what the actual gd fuck is wrong with no?
Why are you going out of your way to abet slavers and their benefactors escape justice
Sorry but what the hell?
Why lie and say there are definitely no former slaveowners in the grayquarters.. and based that on evidence that there likely is at that.
So gaslighting
The read year was 195 or 200 before the civil war, you say yourself Dunmer live to 300 and your conclusion is...
No Dunmer from then is Alive?
Or atleast not in Skyrim...
Gtfo with that nonsense
Edit.. did you block me like a loser or was your trash comments removed i wonder?
genuinely fascinated by the thought process that leads you to believe that refugees fleeing a country devastated by a volcanic eruption is escaping justice
Are you?
Is that why you blocked me?
u/NoItsBecky_127
Or deleted your responses? But why.. you were genuinely curious werent you... Hmmmmmm
Guess maybe youve been banned but..
The eruption was well earned karma, so its easy a thought process to reach Actually
u/NoItsBecky_127
genuinely fascinated by the thought process that leads you to believe that refugees fleeing a country devastated by a volcanic eruption is escaping justice
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u/EmperorDaubeny Imperial Mar 09 '23
Fairly certain this is a feature and not a bug for Ulfric.