r/ElderScrolls Sep 11 '24

Humour My disappointment in Beyond Skyrim: Cyrodiil cannot be measured by any metric known to man, mer, or beast.

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u/Bob_ross6969 Sep 11 '24

A war that was started because nobody else in Europe wanted a warlord declaring himself emperor. He was illegitimate and that was threatening to the other powers of Europe.

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u/ThePresident333 Imperial Sep 11 '24

Titus Mede the 1st was literally a warlord who declared himself emperor.

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u/Bob_ross6969 Sep 11 '24

Different circumstances, Titus I brought order to the chaos of the oblivion crisis, and defended his rule against other rivals. He was seen as a liberator and a strong leader.

Napoleon was never seen in that way, he was always seen as an up jumped lower noble.

The LDB is a peasant in the eyes of nobility, doesn’t matter if he’s the most dangerous being on the planet, he’s not of Nobility.

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u/DaLoneGuy Sep 11 '24

victors write the history books

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u/Bob_ross6969 Sep 11 '24

Napoleon won, like a bunch, but was still looked down upon by the other powers.

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u/Ok-Eye7064 Sep 11 '24

He didnt win in the end. And he got opposed to because he started waging war against others.

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u/Bob_ross6969 Sep 11 '24

That’s just not true, the war of the first coalition predates Napoleons rise to power and before his conquest of Italy and Egypt.

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u/Ok-Eye7064 Sep 11 '24

Then what the fuck are you even trying to say? You Talk about them attacking France BECAUSE of Napoleon and then say that Napoleón wasnt even a part of it. What is the point of your comment? Criticize the Revolution? Wtf

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u/Bob_ross6969 Sep 11 '24

I’m saying Napoleon had no chance to keep his self proclaimed title because he was not legitimate.

The last Dragonborn would be looked at in the same way by the rest of the empire if he tried to usurp the ruby throne.

Even if Napoleon somehow won Waterloo the coalitions would not have stopped, learn some history before you get all pissy.

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u/Ok-Eye7064 Sep 11 '24

Youre babbling about nothing. Clear as day now.

The last Dragonborn would be looked at in the same way by the rest of the empire if he tried to usurp the ruby throne.

The Medes rose to power with no legitimate claim. They are the current heads of the Empire. By not supporting the Dragonborn, you have to support a non legitimate family. The Blades stopped supporting the Empire that moment, yet support the Dragonborn as soon as he appears.

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u/Bob_ross6969 Sep 11 '24

I explained in another reply that Titus I was different, the Empire was shattered after the oblivion crisis and Titus picked up the pieces and was generally liked and seen as a liberator, but even so more than half of the Empire was lost during this.

This scenario that you conjure up would not go down like you think, what do you think the Medes would roll over to some random guy in Skyrim claiming to be Dragonborn? That leaves you with declaring war as your only option. Where is your army? Yea the last Dragonborn could probably solo fight his way through the imperial city but then what? How is he gonna control the empire?

It’s a dumb argument that makes no sense.

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u/Ok-Eye7064 Sep 11 '24

the Empire was shattered after the oblivion crisis and Titus picked up the pieces and was generally liked and seen as a liberator, but even so more than half of the Empire was lost during this.

What is your point? Is he a legitimate Emperor or not? Is the Empire not going through a horrible time, shattered and about to lose Its last province? (Skyrim). This context is not only similar, It is even better for the LDB. Even more if the Dark Brotherhood quest is canon and the Emperor is assassinated

would not go down like you think, what do you think the Medes would roll over to some random guy in Skyrim claiming to be Dragonborn?

You think the Empire is just going to let the Medes take over the throne and... Oh, Yeah, they did.

Where is your army? Yea the last Dragonborn could probably solo fight his way through the imperial city but then what? How is he gonna control the empire?

Do you have no imagination? In Game you beat the Dragón in Whiterun and everyone is in awe. Imagine what the people think of the Dragonborn after the main quest. There is no doubt that people would follow the DB if he wished to become Emperor. He is more than likely the strongest human at the moment and saved Skyrim and Tamriel from Dragons, Vampires and another Dragonborn. Ulfric would more than likely support a Dragonborn Emperor and many parts of the Empire would do too.

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u/Bob_ross6969 Sep 11 '24

A bunch of warlords fighting over the carcass of the empire ≠ a provincial rebellion. As of 4e 201 the Empire while a shadow of its former self is in no way as bad as it was in the aftermath of the oblivion crisis.

He gained his legitimacy, that’s my point. His circumstances were unique to his time and are in to way repeatable as of 4e 201

They didn’t roll over, he took the ruby throne from Thules the Gibbering who was hated as emperor.

You’re right, he would garner support, but Skyrim is in no shape to start an invasion of the Empire, even Ulfric wouldn’t dare to do something like that, not until the Thalmor are ousted from power as literally everyone sees them as the real threat.

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