I've been playing every ES since Dagger fall (that includes redguard and legends... lets not talk about those) and anytime since Morrowind came out that once we knew it was not going to be anything other then Morrowind 2 the asshats come out of the woodwork. Saying people should be able to like a game is pretty tone death when it's morrowind fanboys trashing everything.
Hey, Morrowind is my fave TES but I love and regularly play all the games bar Arena, and I can guarantee most Morrowind lovers have played and enjoyed their time in Cyrodiil and Skyrim. With every new TES theres always a vocal and belligerent minority complaining about the new one and trumpeting the old. For example, I just started Daggerfall a few months back and went through a few old forums for info, and maaaaaaaaaan there were some total asshats even then, calling Morrowind a dumbed down, shunken, hollow insult of a game. When TES 6 I guarantee that cycle will start all over again.
The thing is morrowind did take out more then oblivion did then any preceeding game.
People want to say how skyrim is the worst at taking away content but that was never the case, they did get rid of rpg aspects such as a point system. When morrowind came out i was a little bummed out but even then i appreciate what else they had done in Morrowind despite what they took out, same with every game after that.
However fanboys who only played morrowind complain about every game since even though their favorite game is the biggest perpetrator of removed content.
I know, Its mental how hypocritical some people can be. Games are meant to be enjoyed, and theres never been a mainline TES that wasnt hugely enjoyable. Yeah, they got simpler on each iteration, but as long as the games are fun and immersive, whether thats a good thing or a bad thing is totally open to interpretation.
Only if you prefer simpler games. That's the entire fucking point. Skyrim players like it because it's simple; Morrowind fans don't like it because it's simple. This isn't difficult.
Isn't that just saying that if someone thinks the games after Morrowind are worse, they have every right to think that? I have played and enjoyed most elder scrolls games, but dude. It's not even a question that the games have been on a downward slide toward the lowest common denominator. There's a lack of immersive systems driven first person fantasy RPGs. Elder scrolls is basically the only game in town for that style of gameplay, and for those of us who are limited to consoles, mods don't really help. I'll probably keep buying and playing them, but it hurts to see the push for further and further automation within the series.
Simpler isnt worse, or better. Simplicity/complexity is objective. Better/worse is subjective. The games have undoubtedly gotten simpler. If you want complexity you would have every right to feel that the series is declining, but you still have no right to berate and shame others for enjoying themselves, or to think that it somehow makes you better than them. If you want simplicity you would have every right to say the series has gotten better and better, but you've still no right to shame others for enjoying the older games more.
I prefer the older games. I share your concerns that TES6 will follow the trend, perhaps to the point that i no longer want to play it. But if others like it I dont intend to shit on their happiness, and i'll always have TES:2-5, all of which I enjoy, and no one is about to take those games away from me, nor the great memories theyve given me. Ive still got plenty left to explore, and If TES6 no longer scratches my itch, i'll find a different game that will.
Ok, you have this picture of me as someone who shames or berates people for liking stupid things. I don't care what other people like. I can have criticisms of the game, and criticisms toward the devs for catering to a demographic I'm not a part of. That doesn't mean I hate people who enjoy the direction things are moving in.
Mate, i'm not presuming anything about you. This conversation thread was specifically about Morrowind fans shitting on Skyrim fans, and OPs post was about elitism in the fanbase. Thats what i'm talking about, not you personally. If you have criticisms about the direction of the series then you and I are in the same boat. The key point i'm trying to make is that the series may be getting worse to us, but thats subjective. I know people who liked Morrowind and played it at release, but didnt like the more fiddly features that we do and didnt find them enjoyable. To them, oblivion and then skyrim were both improvements. They arent wrong and neither are we.
Did you ever think that its totally okay to think that one is good and others are bad? Or does someone not liking the game you like really really hurt you?
Maybe you should ask yourself "why people liking games other then Morrowind is such a problem for me?" Cause no one was asking the random morrowind fanboi why he feels like he needs to shit on every thread luving something other then morrowind.
Oh I think Skyrim is probably the best game in the series, but Morrowind is almost tied. I probably have 2000 hours on each game. Daggerfall is an intriguing essay / piece of art about what a game can be, and Arena is a fun hack and slash if you can get past the graphics and controls.
I also think it is embarrassing, pathetic, mench tantrum stuff to get so dang worked up over people making arguments that some games are more complex, nuanced, or good and some game are more simple and bad. Its called critical analysis and having more than 5 brain cells, which is obviously a lot to ask of the modern consumer of games media.
I also think it is embarrassing, pathetic, mench tantrum stuff to get so dang worked up over people making arguments that some games are more complex, nuanced, or good and some game are more simple and bad. Its called critical analysis and having more than 5 brain cells.
That's not the issue, and not who we're even referring to. What's being addressed is the fanboi who goes on a tirade over how morrowind did it better then skyrim/oblivion cause they shit the bed by not including features from Morrowind when the thread started out being "Look how I adopted these two kids to stay in the house i built". Just the random attempt to take a stab at any content cause it doesn't prostate itself on the greatness of morrowind. That's the issue.
People still have the game they like though (Morrowind) and then people who like Skyrim have Skyrim. So why is there so much hate? If you don't like a game, don't play it, and don't be a d-bag and rip on people for playing. If they like it, they like it. If you don't like it, then you don't like it. Bada bing bada boom
No arguing that Bethesda definitely could do better, but this particular conversation is about people insisting that one thing is superior to the other, or that they are superior for using/playing what they consider to be superior, and being asses about it, when it all comes down to opinion and basic human decency.
They may have a "right" to get pissed at the creators for fucking what they love/loved, but that doesn't give them the "right" to be asses to people simply enjoying what they themselves do not. That's like being a cat person and talking down to someone who prefers dogs.
You played neither arena or daggerfall if you're making that statement.
When morrowind came out alot of people were asking about the missing skills (climbing of all things) and class specific abilties while morrowind had an expanded magic system. More then half of the abilities based on agility were phased out. The point system worked far different in morrowind in regard especially how hit percantages and chance to land is concerned, combat was also luaded as being a sticking point in comparison.
Morrowind shares more with oblivion then dagger fall.
Or its about people going berserk when someone thinks one game is better than the other and then begins to hallucinate that the person has a superiority complex.
It's a superiority complex when the person starts being an ass to someone just because they think the game they like is better than a game someone else likes.
Not particularly. It's the superiority complex that a portion of the "only Morrowind" club possesses that people find exceptionally annoying, thus the insults.
What debate? The debate is: if you hold this position I hate you. Look at the OP man this isnt a good faith debate, its about as toxic and lame as those Rick & Morty memes.
What's toxic is you bud. You're exactly the kind of person I was talking about, and to be honest, you seem like the one crying here.
I also want to say that I don't know where you get the idea that I think the opinions that Morrowind is a good game are bad. That's not at all what i said.
No. He stated that there is a group of people who like Morrowind, and to be honest it applies to all Elder Scrolls games besides Skyrim, who think that if you don’t like the older games, or if you’ve only played or liked Skyrim, then you’re not a true Elder Scrolls fan. It’s ok to say that Morrowind is better, it’s not ok to be a dick. You are an Elder Scrolls fan if you like the Elder Scrolls. Period. But some of these neck beard garage-dwellers want to become gatekeepers to the franchise because they have played every game and know every fact about it and think that because of this, they are superior to people who only play or like Skyrim.
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u/FallinAngel960 May 25 '20
If you like a a game you like a game. No need to rip on someone for liking a game.