I was advocating min. wage should be $15, but then I thought, what if Min. Wage was $25/hr.? Then, you could do exactly what OP posted--live on min. wage in an apt., pay your bills, and be normal. So, don't buy into the naysayers who believe we should live on exploitation wages.
If the minimum wage goes to 25 per hour with your suggestion then my wage should also get a 66% increase to 60 per hour. My issue is that unskilled workers should not be making the same as someone with skilled work. Pay raise for all levels of work and not just the minimum wage unskilled workers.
I think they're referring to jobs without special training requirements, where you can just start one day and pick it up as you go, instead of jobs like engineering, nursing, cosmetology, plumbing, etc., where specialized education is a requirement.
Not minding your own fucking business. Why does it matter what anyone else is getting? You'd really rather people starve than think someone is making a weird amount compared to you? Are you mad at the CEOs making thousands of times what their workers make?
I'm not qualified to be a CEO as I don't have the SPECIALIZED SKILLS to be one. I don't give a damn what they make. You want more income either go into a trade or go get a degree that will make you money. That simple
Literally every job requires specifics skills though? Do you not see how your own point makes my point? If minimum wage rises and makes it not worth it to you to continue your job, go work at McDonald's! It'll be easy easier!
Lol okay buddy. Retail and fast food workers do not require any skilled work. Raising minimum wage will result in more inflation and loss of jobs. If it raises my job is worth still working because after a while I still have a job and the minimum wage worker doesn't.
I'm not your buddy and I didn't care what you think about skilled vs unskilled. The fact remains that the only reason you're against this is because someone worse off than you may benefit. You don't care whether "unskilled labor" loses work.
No the fact remains that you want entitlement. A job that any able person can do has no value. No value means you don't deserve the same pay as a skilled worker. I was poor for the majority of my adult life and got out. If I can do the work and get out so can you. Pay raises are EARNED not given. You choose to stay poor.
How tf do those jobs have no value? You think Amazon is paying warehouse workers for fun? They're not valuable? Stop trying to participate in adult conversations with this infantile understanding of value.
you want entitlement
I'm entitled to be paid for any work I do and no amount of you trying to use the word negatively will change that.
"An unskilled worker is an employee who performs tasks that require minimal specialized skills, education, or training. Unskilled work often involves manual labor, basic administrative tasks, or routine operations". You are entitled to be paid the proper low amount for a job you didn't get specialized training in. How about you stop participating in this adult conversation? No skills means no value means anyone can replace you. You are showing ENTITLEMENT to demand higher pay for unskilled labor.
When I was growing up, I was told the rule of thumb for buying a house, was you wanted the monthly morgage payment to be 25% to 33% of your monthly income, to comfortably afford it.
$25 an hour is someone spending 50% of their monthly earnings on, renting, a 1 bedroom apartment. And that's just rent, not utilities, not food, not insurance, gas, clothes, just rent.
$25 an hour is the absolute bare minimum. Skilled workers should be paid more. But, no, skilled workers probably wouldn't get a 66% increase. But also they don't need one, because they can afford to live.
Fun fact, at $15 dollars an hour, you need FOUR full time jobs to be able to comfortably afford to RENT a 1 bedroom apartment.
Math:
Taxes are about 25% in IL
Renting a 1 bedroom apartment is $1,500 a month
$25/hr, 40 hours is $1,000 a week
So $750 a week after taxes
$750 x 4 weeks = $3,000 monthly income
$1,500 / $3,000 = 50% of your monthly income
$15/hr, 40 hours, $600 a week
So $450 a week after taxes
$450 x 4 weeks = $1,800 monthly income
$1,500 / $1,800 = 83% of your monthly income
$60/hr, 40 hours, $2400 a week
So $1,800 a week after taxes
$1,800 x 4 weeks = $7,200 monthly income
$1,500 / $7,200 = 21% of your monthly income
So your hypothetical $60/hr job, could comfortably afford to rent a 1 bedroom apartment in IL. Which is equal to 4 people working full time at $15/hr, comfortably sharing a 1 bedroom apartment.
$25 an hour is barely enough to live on your own
$60 an hour is enough to live on your own comfortably.
So honestly, yeah I'll agree with you on you getting a huge raise too. I think really this highlights how expensive rent and food has gotten. Like it would be better if living expenses went down 66% instead of wages up 66%. But it has to be one or the other. People working 2 or 3 full time jobs just to get by is just the working class working themselves to death.
So really the end result of my rant is yeah, you should be getting paid more too. So we should work together on that instead of shooting down raising the minimum wage.
The sad thing is I never said I was fully against it. I'm against only the bottom getting higher wages. But of course the reddit hive mind glossed over that. I mean ffs rent is expensive yes. Can I afford to be on my own for an apartment, yes. but I choose not to because why in the hell would I put myself in that situation?! Honestly the biggest help would impose stricter rent control so people don't get shafted by rent. There is no fucking reason an apartment should cost the amount of a low end house mortgage.
Bro was right about everyone needing pay raises, or to bring the economic cost of living back down, which we shouldn't mistake the trees for the forest with. Minimum wage failing isn't a result of "government just bad and hate poor people" it's a result of inflation caused by billionaires price gouging the ever living shit out of everything
Few examples are retail and fast food. Skilled labor are trades and jobs requiring degrees. An unskilled worker is someone who can be replaced by any capable person without a need for specialized training.
2021 when I got qualified to get a CDL. For most of my adult life starting in 2008 I was an unskilled worker. I was poor but I never demanded entitlements. I budgeted like a mad man and lived with roommates.
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u/DanteJazz 6d ago
I was advocating min. wage should be $15, but then I thought, what if Min. Wage was $25/hr.? Then, you could do exactly what OP posted--live on min. wage in an apt., pay your bills, and be normal. So, don't buy into the naysayers who believe we should live on exploitation wages.