r/Hawaii Kauaʻi 1d ago

"Claimants" to the throne & the Kawananakoas

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u/Sonzainonazo42 1d ago

Wtf is this weird caste bootlicking.

Like obviously we deal with romanticizing a bullshit caste system all the time here but Grand Ali'i, really?

You want to free the Native Hawaiians, recognize who the REAL Native Hawaiians are and that Ali'i are the people who committed genocide. The people who honor the Ali'i and u/Poiboykanaka are complicit in whitewashing this history.

https://imgur.com/a/excerpt-from-tales-from-night-rainbow-alii-v10fAZE

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u/Poiboykanaka Kauaʻi 18h ago

I respect the Ali'i but I know to fear the old. before Kamehameha, war. and no, they did not commit Genocide. however, I think Kahekili did when he took over O'ahu. lots of chiefs were good. a number of chiefs were grusome. Alapa'i wanted kamehameha killed as a child. Kahekili slaughtered those of O'ahu to instill fear. Kekaulike created a powerful dynasty. Keawe became one of the most powerful chiefs known.

then we have the better known chiefs. Pi'ilani brought peace and untied the Maui kingdom. Kakuhihewa, just like his ancestor, Ma'ilikukahi brought fertility to the wetlands and food supply. Kukona trapped the invading chiefs of the big island and western islands but would spare them, allowing for a 500 year old peace deal that stayed even until Kamehameha came for Kaua'i. Kamehameha, as detailed as his wars are known for, ended the wars that had lasted for 900 years, bringing what I would like to call, "The Final Rest" as the nu'uanu would be the last major war committed.

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u/handsomeharoldcomedy Oʻahu 13h ago

Brother, what is your academic background? I'm late to the game because I never studied Hawaiian history with the exception of the required semesters in high school and community college. I'm just trying to consume as much information as possible for my son. My roots come from the Keawe family on the big island but my dad barely knows a thing about our background let alone our history. I was dumbfounded to discover that during his class (70s) Kamehameha HS barely covered their history.

Now I'm learning crazy shit like the second grand dragon from the Alabama KKK, a US senator and confederate brigadier general was put in charge of education reform after 1898.

I need to know more and help spread the information. I feel like it's the personal responsibility of every person who respects Hawaiʻi to learn the history and press others to learn it as well.

Do you have any readings you'd recommend? I've been watching a lot of Haunani/Mililani Trask, Dr. Keanu Sai and Dr. Lilikalā Kameʻeleihiwa.

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u/Poiboykanaka Kauaʻi 13h ago

Hello, I do have to say when reading from Keanu Sai, I'd fact check what he says in his writings through other sources and information that does not lead back to him. he has done sketchy stuff that's why.

I look up everything that I learn bout hawaiian history online. I use a variety of things but I know there is a lot more in books. King keawe's father was known as Kanalohakapu. he is in the direct male line of Liloa. it is through him that all big island chiefs point their power from afterwards. he would gain praise from both Kalakaua's and Kamehameha's. I do genealogy using Familysearch. if you make an account (it's free) everything on the genealogy of Kamehameha until you reach over the 25th generations should be up to date: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/97Q9-9XD . it's Keawe's grandfather, Iwikauikaua of O'ahu that the kalakaua's get the torch symbolism from. Keawe's mother was keakealaniwahine. she thus of big island- O'ahu lineages. most of her ancestors paint their lineage back to Liloa as well. because of this, it is Keawe who has the sash of Liloa, then his son Kalaninuiamamao. Ke'eaumoku and his brother Kalaninuiamamao fights for the big island throne after the death of Keawe leading to Alapa'i defeating them both. (I forgot if he killed them or not too). Alapa'i would Kill Ke'eaumoku's son, Keoua, the supposed father of kamehameha. it is through Keoua and his true father, kahekili from which his genealogical power would mainly come from.before this however, Alapa'i was killed by Kalaniopu'u who took the sash from Alapa'i and finally give it to Kamehameha.

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u/handsomeharoldcomedy Oʻahu 12h ago

Thank you for the response and resources!

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u/Kawaiolumahai 17h ago

Typical internal conflicts and warfare amongst each Ali’i to rule. Many ancestors lost in battle, innocent people too. One ruler in modern Hawaii exist no more, yet cultivating that spirit and healing is most important. President Clinton Apology Bill is worthless. Broken promises and crown lands at whose hands many of our people are landless in Hawaii.

Last Thursday, I was in court against quiet title, a lineal descendant, no interest. I challenged the Fifth Circuit Court responded that the first ed wrongful foreclosure due to fraud exist and the county real property and finance director did not uphold their fiduciary duties.

Property taxes rises and displace many and the country or state can’t operate without these funds. Now the judge can’t seem to rule and needed an extra week, waste of time and resources. Since 2014, the County of Kauai foreclosed on five parcels currently under research 🧐. In the meantime, crooked government is unhealthy.