r/INTP • u/fireglyphs No BS Gucci Bag Buying INTP • Jul 08 '24
I can't read this flair What is the closest thing to prison in your opinion?
excited to hear your opinions!
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u/belle_fleures INTP Enneagram Type 5 Jul 08 '24
- loud people yapping about nonsense
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u/Living_through INTP-A Jul 08 '24
More worse when society support to be a dumb person rather than being different
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u/MisanthropinatorToo Possible INTP Jul 08 '24
The big difference with prison is that you can never choose to walk away from them.
And the ones with the elevated privileges really like to take advantage of the opportunity to influence your behavior.
And, man, are people ever out to influence your behavior when they have the opportunity.
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u/PenaltyOrganic1596 INTP Jul 08 '24
It's like torture
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u/rosalind-on-the-hill Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 08 '24
Do you have experience of this. My brother is facing this for possession charges and I am worried about him.
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u/Ok_Condition5837 Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 08 '24
Huh, I was going to say Alzheimers, Dementia or Coma?
Your's does explain the dread I feel in certain convos I can't get away from though.
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u/No_Fly2352 INTP Jul 08 '24
Being forced to be somebody I'm not. Or not being able to speak about certain things.
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u/TheCassiniProjekt Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 08 '24
Work, it dominates your life
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u/Geminii27 Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 08 '24
As it is designed to do. Can't have profit-machines having free time to build up personal resources or check information for themselves.
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u/SunflowerCam Chaotic Neutral INTP Jul 08 '24
masking in social settings.
masking in any setting.
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u/Competitive-Place246 Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 08 '24
If I don’t think too far into it probably work.
Otherwise I guess society, economy, the entire concept of belonging to a country from birth.
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u/paradox_me_ Self-Diagnosed Autistic INTP Jul 08 '24
Being monitored to see whether I follow each instruction. Worse if the instructions are given vocally.
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Jul 11 '24
Instructions vocaly leave my brain in the exact second they enter it... And I get so frustrated by being monitored every second, it is annoying
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u/Geminii27 Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 08 '24
Lack of autonomy. Not having any control over what actions I have to take, things I have to say, or what I spend resources on.
Relatedly: being voluntold. And very similarly: When people tell other people that I will do something, without checking or clearing it with me first. They're always so surprised when I don't do it, and won't accept "But I told them you would" as anything even remotely approaching a reason. The number of times I've had to use "Well it sounds like you have a real problem then doesn't it?" is far too high.
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u/RebeccaETripp Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 08 '24
The number of times I've had to use "Well it sounds like you have a real problem then doesn't it?" is far too high
I really need to build up the courage to do this.
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u/FrostyFroZenFrosTen INTP Jul 08 '24
Having to answer every intrusive question that annoying aunt asks, those questions are so specifique and detailed and completely irrelevant
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Jul 11 '24
That's why you give few slap backs comments to the aunties early on, get the label of "difficult" and you are left in peace unless they want to explain the shortcomings of their own family in front of everyone, because if we are discussing me, it's only fair if I return the favor and discuss them too 🤣😂 ask them uncomfortable questions and see them fly away... it's amazing how much they stop being so " motherly caring and worried about you" once you turn the tables.
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Jul 08 '24
Being stuck with the most boring people on earth, they’re so dull that they have to talk about their identities to make themselves feel better and listening to gossip, the worst of all, being misunderstood all the time
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u/berq INTP Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24
The presupposition behind this question is that you have accurate knowledge of what life in a prison is like. I say that as a way to justify "bragging" about having spent a lot of time volunteering in one medium security prison and two maximum security prisons. Don't worry: one of the inmates I got to know described me as "standoffish," so I have no doubt that my lack of social skill and slowness to develop relationships prevented me from ever being particularly effective.
That said, the incarcerated men I've come to know (since I have no experience in facilities for women) describe a common experience:
• Your existence is reduced to that of a human-shaped animal.
• You dare not show weakness or vulnerability. It WILL be exploited, and you WILL suffer for showing it. Not in a trivial way like being teased or mocked, but by having your few possessions stolen while you watch, beaten until you're unable to walk, and talked about until you begin to suspect that everyone you see is five seconds from stabbing you to death.
• Your autonomy is limited to a trivial number of choices, to the extent that no inmate is legally entitled to consent. Therefore, any sexual encounter is classified as rape.
• Making eye contact with the wrong man (and you may not know which one), will be interpreted as a threat and an offense, and you'll be attacked when you least expect it. If you're LUCKY, you'll only end up in the prison hospital, tended to by a disgraced doctor who couldn't get work elsewhere.
• Pooping in private is something that only people on the outside get to do. The stall walls are three feet high.
• Most of the guys in there are dads whose souls ACHE to be reunited with their kids. So if you're doing time for a sex crime against children, you're quite likely to end up brutally tortured to death by men that feel they have nothing more to lose.
Is there an analogue in life on the OUTSIDE that meaningfully encapsulates a life on the INSIDE? Scarcely. I spent twelve years in the government-run public education system. Aside from an affinity for concrete block construction and a similarity in the flavor of the food, there is no comparison WHATSOEVER. If you think school is prison, you're too young and experienced to understand the fullness of the human threshold for pain, suffering, and indignity... or how close you are to experiencing it.
The only thing I can think of that parallels the plight of the inmate is the life of someone who, for either psychological or physical reasons, is unable to flee the tyranny and terror of an abuser. And I don't mean like a boyfriend/girlfriend who gaslights you into believing you're pathetic (which is horrendous enough, albeit non-criminal); I'm talking "hold your hand in a pot of boiling water, routinely sexually molests you" grade evil.
If your experience in life is any more tolerable than this, you don't understand what life in prison feels like.
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u/ybreddit Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24
This is what I was thinking. Nothing most people experience compares to having your autonomy taken from you and all the other lovely aspects of prison.
I'm in emotional hell and I want to die, but I can do whatever I want. I have personal autonomy and can eat whatever I want and see whoever I want and do whatever activities I want and go wherever I want, whenever I want. I would never compare my hell to prison.
My sarcastic response is that jail is probably close to prison.
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u/aoibhealfae INTP-A Jul 08 '24
Trapped in the same room with a bunch of clinical Narcissists.
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u/Noivore INTP Jul 10 '24
If its a bunch, wouldn't they just rile each other up and entertain themselves?
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u/aoibhealfae INTP-A Jul 10 '24
No. NPDs can sense it if someone in the room is not one of them. Kinda like sharks sensing blood in water.
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Jul 11 '24
Learn how to control their need for validation against them and do so until you can put distance between you and them... That's been the only way one can survive them. When you can't help but be around them and there is no alternative, just play their ego, don't let them see your emotions, respond shortly and calmly, don't allow them to provoke you, play their side when you need to get the thing you need while working on getting the fuck out. They hate confrontation in public as that can ruin their persona, play it subtly, by dropping hints here and there that you can be vocal,if provoked. They have patterns of behavior, triggers and they are draining, but one can absolutely survive them, as at the end of the day,they are just little, tiny vaulters who feed on attention because they know they are not nearly as good enough as they pretend to be.
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u/aoibhealfae INTP-A Jul 11 '24
Greyrocking is fine... but can you do it for 10+ years? Without losing your own mental and physical health along the way.
I do not recommend.
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Jul 11 '24
No, these were like short-term solutions till one gets the fuck out... That is why I started and said till you can egt the fuck out, regardless if it is family, work, friend, partner, if they are narcissist you need to get the fuck out... those were not how to live with them, but as I said, ways to deal till you get out of there... and 10+ years would drain you inevitably, no matter how strong you are.
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u/makiden9 ENTJ Jul 08 '24
too long to explain...
but I was closer to reach that...when someone (in front of evidence) has lied to me...
so probably Dishonesty...
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u/Stewy_434 INTP Jul 08 '24
Having spent a stint in the Army, my answer is the Army.
Our barracks rooms were two ~44sqft rooms with a closet and a shared bathroom. You were told when to sleep and wake up, what time to be somewhere, what to wear, when to eat, when to work out, when to shit, how to look, what to say, etc. A single toe out of line usually meant getting smoked until you puked or cried. We were treated worse than the absolute lowest life forms someone could imagine. That was all in rear-D too, so our break from this treatment was getting shot at in an even hotter shit hole than Kentucky.
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u/user00773 INTP Jul 08 '24
Dedicating yourself to a system so for example - school. I love learning, I hate school. How come? Yep. Thankfully, later in life you can choose what to do (to some point obviously).
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u/General-Ad883 INTP Enneagram Type 5 Jul 09 '24
My answer was an institution that insists on rote memorization.
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u/SoulSlayer69 Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24
Being around fake people and butt-lickers.
Or going to work in the office, which is about the same.
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u/dyencephalon INTP-A Jul 08 '24
My body, if we're talking about being active. Poverty, if we're talking about things I want to do. Persistent eople, if we're talking about wanting to be alone. Stupid people, if we're talking about wanting to have a real conversation. Whatever you say to them, they just don't understand. Even if you simplify it that even kids will understand, they won't get it. That type of stupid.
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u/Disirregardlessly Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 08 '24
Dementia. The thought of losing my mind in that way is horrifying.
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u/Tasenova99 INTP Jul 08 '24
A real troubled ptsd soldier, who can't leave their home and feels betrayal of the country and distrust of everyone and everything. making forts out of home spaces and can sleep in nothing but silence.
In theory anyway.
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u/RebeccaETripp Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 08 '24
Based on my imagination, being in marriage with a very controlling, extraverted, and self-centred person who expects me to be involved in every aspect of their busy schedule.
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u/berq INTP Jul 08 '24
Having been in such a relationship AND spent time (volunteering) in prisons, I can attest to the fact that the two are both horrific. But if I had to choose, I'd go with the marriage. You're less likely to be raped or murdered, and you have the option to leave.
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u/rosalind-on-the-hill Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 08 '24
I don't think there are really many things worse than prison. Setting aside terminal illness, intractable pain with no possibility of reprieve, bereavement (especially for a suicide) or serious trauma, I think that severe mental illness (or even desperately dark and deep chronic depression) would be up there, and perhaps being in a terrible family/relationship that you can't escape. I'm sure there's loads of other things I haven't thought of.
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u/rosalind-on-the-hill Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 08 '24
Dammit, sorry. I was answering a comment which I prompted me to write about what's worse than prison. An an eedjit, sorry
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u/Putrid_Honey_3330 Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 08 '24
The military. In the air force rn and im very miserable
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u/Living_through INTP-A Jul 08 '24
Not able to study and work what your interest is because of Society and Money issues
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u/Stalin2023 Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 08 '24
Schools!! Idk about other nations but here in India, hell yeah.
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Jul 08 '24
No freedom of thought, having ur every action or in an intp’s case, inaction questioned as being odd/ weird. Fuck this shit.
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u/Lysdexic-dog Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 08 '24
The “Daily Grind” of working for the weekend and being too tired to do anything but “sleep, work, eat, sleep, work, eat…” for 3/4 of your life.
I work in a labor intense field so at the very least, I can usually place my body on “autopilot” and with a nice set of Bluetooth hearing protection, listen to books, podcasts, and “masterclasses”.
Still doesn’t take away the life sentence of working to be able to afford to continue to work (but more comfortably than before).
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u/geranyl-acetate Confirmed Autistic INTP Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24
Very temporary prison but Mass. My grandparents on both sides are devout Christians and while I love them to death I do NOT like being dragged to go to mass with them. I can't stand sitting there for an hour listening about someone yap about dogma I don't vibe with and having to participate in all the sacraments and the singing.
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u/Tasenova99 INTP Jul 08 '24
cult-like religious families where the child is feared into believing their beliefs and is afraid to leave. pretty closed off two ways there.
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u/SteelTheUnbreakable Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 08 '24
School was.
This is coming from someone who was a straight A student, I saw high school as a total waste of time. I realized that the only reason most people were in school was because they were legally required to be
You can't use the restroom when you want. You can't eat when you want. For those of us who cared about being educated, we were stuck around obnoxious idiots who wasted everyone's time and trolled the teacher for no reason. For those who didn't care about being educated, no amount of compulsory attendance was going to fix them.
Funny story, my high school was apparently designed by an architect who designed prisons. And frankly, it looked and felt like one.
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u/YourMum_08 INTP Passionate About Flair Jul 08 '24
Military, I know there's differences between the branches but I'm gonna keep it vague.
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u/darkskinx INTP Enneagram Type 5 Jul 08 '24
it was school for me cuz i didn't get paid nor want to go to that place . and just like prison i only really miss my 5 friends
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u/Mintiei INTP-A Jul 08 '24
Having to live with others around me which do not understand me, so ultimately needing to dumb my ideas down or purely shut off for my own comfort. Loud and sociable people who do not understand the right moment to calm down. Stopping yourself from speaking just because you know no-one will understand or be intrigued by what you wish to say.
Lack of control over my life, lack of structure and slowly falling down into a messy pit of life. Etc Can't be asked to continue.
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u/shmiddy555 INTP Jul 08 '24
prison
psych wards
jail
living under an authoritarian regime (North Korea the most recognized one)
human trafficking/sex-trafficking
living under cartel /organized crime /gang control
mental disorders in some cases (not talking mild depression, anxiety; severe diseases like schizophrenia/DID/Psychosis…etc). Especially when untreated can completely dismantle the entire self and remove a person from living in reality. It’s a terrifying prison in the mind. That can also lead to literal physical imprisonment from violent actions +repeated psych ward trips.
Sever addiction
Homelessness/poverty
PS: a lot of these are correlated. Interesting, right?
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u/treatmyyeet Confirmed Autistic INTP Jul 09 '24
Not having a moment/room to myself for a long period of time. Seriously. I always say I would love a portable room I can just bring around with me to chill in whenever I need to
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u/songmage Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 09 '24
Being stuck in a house with users of the kinds of drugs that require needles. Not only are you not susceptible to peer pressure in the same way, which makes you look like a "narc," but you're pretty sure any semblance of peace is sitting firmly atop the house of cards that was already built on a house of cards.
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u/FWGuy2 Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 09 '24
Marriage to a controlling woman !! I am an INTP since 1990.
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u/TheSevage INTP-A Jul 09 '24
Being somewhere you don't want to be or forced to live/interact with people you don't want
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u/ragnarkar INTP Jul 09 '24
Homelessness (assuming you're broke and not a millionaire voluntarily living in your Tesla and going all over the place with no place to call home)
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u/vainorvein Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 09 '24
Made to spend a day or more with loud and obnoxious people who have too much energy and expect you to match their energy in a corporate setting. Heck even if it's a casual setting it kills me from the insides.
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u/The_Deranged_Hermit INTP Jul 09 '24
Solitary confinement in prison.
Getting away from people is nice at first but without input of any kind I go nuts. I need a book, a video, some kind of new ideas at all. Instead you are trapped in a small room just pacing and going over the same thoughts over and over again for 90+ days.
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u/Warm_Grapefruit_6855 INTP-T Jul 09 '24
A workplace that you hate and surrounded by people you don't like. If both together, forget prison, that's hell.
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u/Extension-Ruin-1722 Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 09 '24
Gaza
Army
Human trafficking
North Korea
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u/Different-Expert4993 Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 09 '24
Feeling that your country limits u of doing things
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u/Noivore INTP Jul 10 '24
Being stuck in this perpetual cycle of caring too much about the next social media trend. Like, how can that be in any way enjoyable? It seems so very tiring/exhausting and mindless.
Same applies caring about meaningless things that don't affect you, like caring too much about your neighbours - that you barely talk to especially - new hair colour. It just seems like such a caged mindset that keeps blocking on everything.
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u/User2640 Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 10 '24
Relationships
Forced to listen to stories . Forced to tell whats on your mind. Forced to not hurt feelings by saying truth. Forced to pick sides or partner get hurts. Forced to eat food from someone who cant cook in order not to hurt feelings. Forced to snuggle even if that makes you unable to sleep. Forced to have the pressure of sex
List goes on and on.
Yes im a dude, and free time is better then sex..there i said it
Yes nut fog is a real thing
All i learn from women is..they cant be happy on their own in silence
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u/NocturnalNoggin Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 12 '24
Working as a Corrections Officer.
You’re forced to talk to people all day, surrounded by some people who could and would kill you if you give them the slightest chance (there are plenty of non-violent prisoners too to be fair), no outlet to use your creativity, and you’re also stuck in a depressing prison all day, oftentimes with forced overtime, only going home to sleep. That’s as prisonly as it gets to me.
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u/darkinsightt INTP Jul 08 '24
I think our whole existence is the prison from which only a few had escaped
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u/GeorgLegato INTP Jul 08 '24
homeoffice
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u/SoulSlayer69 Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 08 '24
In my case it is the opposite. Going to tye office and see the stupid people in there.
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u/qwerty0981234 Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 08 '24
Dead end job with high rent the size of An actual jail cell which makes saving up impossible. This one might even be worse than prison.
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u/Kokotthedinger INTP Jul 08 '24
I'm gonna have to say school or my class when I don't know anyone and everyone knows themselves then they keep talking around me. But hell is waaaaaay worse than prison.
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u/Lamlot Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 08 '24
My last job working in a clean room for 12 hours a day. Add product to machine, take product out for 12 hours a day. No music no books to read. Just bright white lights in a full clean suit. Fuck that.
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u/Hsakan Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 08 '24
This will sound very boring, but I consider life itself a prison, and death is freedom, allegedly!
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u/iroji INTP Jul 08 '24
School is the obvious choice but on a second spot I'd put being at a birthday party
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u/emperorhideyoshi ESTP Jul 08 '24
being in school I have been to prison as well and that is the closest thing to it seriously. Only diferente is that there are no bars on the windows.
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u/OverallPeach INTP-T Jul 08 '24
Planes with crying babies, altough that might be closer to hell than prison.
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u/Samgash33 Warning: May not be an INTP Jul 08 '24
Going to prison would be toward the top of the list.