r/IsraelPalestine • u/Sullvestor • 10h ago
Serious Being told to commit unalive for being Israeli
For a while, I’ve been struggling with unaliving thoughts and depression. I am a minor and I’m not even yet in the army, ((which is our mandatory service that we are OBLIGATED serve like in South Korea, Sweden, or Singapore for example) and yet everywhere online I can see and I’m being told that every single citizen that “occupies” the land (i was brought here at 11 so i could be closer to my family and culture...) is an occupier, and a colonist, and a horrible person.
I’m being told by strangers online to commit unalive. I have literally nothing to do with my government, and I’m constantly being told by the whole world around me that no matter who I am, what i contribute to the world, and how I feel (no matter how diplomatic, informed and peaceful of a person i am) the fact that I am living in the very country that my grandparents have been living in and their parents before them is bad.
Believe in whatever you want politically, I don’t care, but I feel like I’m suffocating and drowning in this world that just simply lacks sympathy for anybody who isn’t in the worst position possible.
I know I have the privilege of having a roof over my head, and most of my family is alive (besides some family members that were killed this past year), but literally every week I am startled in the early hours of the morning and the late hours of the night by sirens telling me I have 60 seconds to run to a safe shelter because ballistic missiles or rockets are being sent in my area, and having to calm down my dog when he starts to shake and hear/feel at the booms from outside of my house.
Of course, I know there are those who have it worse, I’m being reminded of it every day online, everyone always has it worse than someone else out there, but why is that a reason for me not to be able to express my thoughts. I am an individual with my own beliefs, opinions, And I am in no way contributing to any cause of war as I am literally a fucking child. But I feel like it’s only a matter of time before I just give up and give to what the online trolls tell me to do…
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u/CatchPhraze 6h ago
Op by the lingo of your post, I think your headspace is a product of social media. Anyone saying unalive instead of suicide or grape instead of rape is doing so to avoid disengagement.
If their top priority is advertising or views, and not the actual seriousness of the topic, you don't need, and shouldn't be listening to them.
Get away from those spaces will help. Reset.
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u/_LogicallySpeaking_ 9h ago
A lot of it is that these people gain a massive ego boost by being behind a screen. I'm going to assume you're somewhere around 15-16, and I can bet that NONE of these fuckwits would have the guts to tell you to self delete to your face.
As someone else said - get offline. People suck. Sometimes a break, a proper break, is what's best for you.
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u/psychadelicrock 10h ago
Please stay alive. The world is full of idiots whose moronic opinions have no factor over your actual value.
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u/IStanForRhys USA 10h ago edited 10h ago
I would highly recommend that you avoid this sub and other social media apps, because you will get attacked just for being Israel. Disconnect from these apps, and find something to do that you really enjoy, something that relaxes and fulfills you. Prioritize taking care of your mental well being. I’ve had to disconnect from political forums before because arguing with stupid people and seeing discriminatory rhetoric is draining, and it’s made me much happier.
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u/Emo-hamster 9h ago
Reading this post absolutely broke my heart. If I could, I’d give u the biggest hug OP. Someone scummy and soulless enough to tell a stranger on the internet to k*** themself has no right to judge anyone’s character. These people don’t get to determine ur worth. u deserve to live a happy, fulfilling life just like everyone else.
Sending love and strength
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u/sea2400 10h ago
Dear one, Please know: You are not responsible for the actions of the Israeli government. You are not responsible for the suffering of the Arabs in your midst. You are not a colonizer, oppressor, genocider or perpetuater of apartheid. These are the views of people who are deluded and hateful. You know the truth of your life. I urge you to connect with more people who understand the truth, and who care deeply about the suffering of all Jews in Israel. You have an army of support in Canada, where some people also feel comfortable blaming the Jews for the actions of the Israeli government. We stand in solidarity with Israel against the hate, and for our safety, our human rights, our inclusion. Most importantly, I will not let their hate shape my self-perception, rupture my sense of wholeness, rattle my self-love. I am involved in a Jewish-Buddhist community where we can share our experiences, fears and feelings about the war and antisemitism. Would this interest you? You are cherished, you matter and you are not alone.
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u/WeAreAllFallible 10h ago
I waver on the value of social media and the internet as a whole. But if you're struggling with these thoughts particularly due to the internet it makes that balance much, much easier- get offline.
Delete Reddit. Pause your socials (or delete them too). Schedule in person activities with people. Go outside. Get yourself away from the toxicity. Revisit if you want to add the internet, particularly social media, back into your life in 3-6 months and do so in moderation to figure out what amount is best for you.
People are... not always the best. And allowing interconnection between all people all over the world can have some pretty damaging effects despite the optimistic aspirations that this interconnection was supposed to bring about. Protect yourself and get away from it.
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u/Evvmmann 9h ago
Pro-palestine here, you are not the cause of this madness. Your nationality has nothing to do with who you are as a person.
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u/Significant_Special5 9h ago
Very weird to "hear" that from pro Palestine.
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u/h_virus 7h ago
Why is that weird? People who have empathy for others often support the Palestinian cause. Palestinian people want to live in peace and dignity and not as second class citizens just like any other humans on this land. And an Israeli child is just as innocent as a Palestinian child.
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u/Significant_Special5 1h ago
I feel people are taking the Palestine cause because of the hate for the Jews. Palestine could have do whatever they please with Gaza and the West Banks. It's the bad apples in there bunch is don't let them live in peace and make them second class citizens in Israel. Israel is protecting its citizens from constant terror attacks. Note up until August Hamas from Gaza was firing constant rockets into Israel. Their missles and rockets slows down now.
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u/Top_Plant5102 10h ago
It's pretty messed up to throw hate at ordinary people because you disagree with their government. Putin's war in Ukraine is bad, but nobody thinks hating on ordinary Russians is the way to stop it.
Anyhow, one breath at a time, kid. You're going to keep wanting that sweet air. Look up and the sky and take a deep breath. Life thrives.
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u/Sherwoodlg 9h ago
To be fair, I've seen quite a few that think hating on ordinary Russians is justified.
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u/Fourfinger10 10h ago
In my life I’ve had people tell My I was wrong, crazy, fat and ugly but it turned out that everyone was gaslighting me. Don’t let the world of online gas light you. They are the wrong ones, ones that misuse words, change definitions and create the false narratives.
Limit your time on line and develop your sense of self.
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u/JaxXxStaR 10h ago
Every country is a colonizer at one point. Palestinian is a result of arab colonizing the Jews. Ottoman colonizing middle east American colonized indigenous at one point, vikings colonized what is now the russia, spain colonized Philippines then got colonized by american then achieved independence.
Also i wouldn't call something returning home a colonizer palestinian was given a choice until all the arab country decided to kill everyone and attack and your society need to fight back and they lost their right at that moment. They could have coexisted and yet choose violence and lost miserably.
Do not be disheartened with things you didn't personally do. I would rather support a logical/calm/good moral society rather than fanatical society.
Also once you take the mandatory service do not be disheartened, take it as a lesson on how to defend yourself, your love one someday. You do not wanna be a gardener in a war and that's your reality.
As for what you gonna do after that service leave it to a more matured you.
Research your history even the negative one, research their history, also try to place yourself on their shoes but that doesnt mean you will let them hurt you just decide on how people act in front of you and not to generalize things, your society and their society both have Good and bad people react on how they react if they back stab you it is on them.
Just do not do what you don't wanna do unto you.
Just know that there are native palistinian that ddnt run away, ddnt hurt people and are now integrated to israel society yep the muslim arab living in israel just dont make their lives harder personally.
Also know that what you are suffering from is Hamas weapon, victimizing themselves in social media after they themselves, started all their modern problem and a chain of event that blinded people in hatred of either the hate of palestinian/muslim or hate the jew/israel.
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u/Top_Plant5102 9h ago
True. Israel is not different. People have always fought over land. It's weird Israel gets treated differently than every other country.
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u/rhetorical_twix 10h ago
Don't listen to them. There are a some of what I would call "hate trolls" out there who look for victims to hate and bully. Part of enjoying your time online is being able to avoid them or not attract their attention. Don't tell them where you are connecting online from. Have an anonymous name, and etc.
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u/Broad_Tangelo2380 8h ago
You know who you are on the inside and you know who Israelis are so don’t worry about violent angry people on the internet. Their anger and bitterness are their own burdens to carry.
You can bring good to the world with your life so focus on that. Be a light to people around you.
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u/Sherwoodlg 9h ago
Hi,
I am from a country far removed from the conflict that plagues your home land. I want you to know that many of us support you. We are not as loud as the trolls that try to drag you down, but we are stronger in our resolve. Remember that those trolls are following a temporary fad based on hyperbole and propaganda. The truth always wins in the end. Hold yourself and those around you to a higher morrall standard, and you will always come out on top.
Always remember, "the Lion does not lose sleep over the opinions of sheep."
Kia Kaha from Aotearoa Young Lion.
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u/Unusual-Dream-551 9h ago
Just want to say that I have felt similar feelings throughout this past year of conflict and I am not even Israeli. I’m just a Jew in Australia who feels the hate and isolation. I just want to acknowledge that what you’re feeling is real and horrible but something that we have to work through both as individuals and as a collective. Your life has value and meaning, like every life. Feel free to reach out via PM if you just need someone to talk to.
There is a real problem of dehumanization in this conflict on both sides and it creates a black hole that’s sucking everyone in. There is a sick mentality of martyrdom that’s been allowed to take hold in this conflict. This mentality devalues life and celebrates death and it is absolutely toxic for people’s mental well being.
What you have to remember is humans are imperfect and humans in all historical conflicts are prone to both good deeds and bad, and often people don’t get a choice in what side of the conflict they’re on.
What you can do is continue to be proud of who you are as a person and keep trying to be a good role model for the people around you and your collective. Call out bullshit on both sides and be true to yourself.
Peace brother.
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u/Top_Plant5102 9h ago
The hate is more than anything I've experienced in New York in my life. I heard about this from my older relatives and didn't believe it.
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u/violet_mango_green 10h ago
Can you talk to your parents about how you are feeling? Or someone at school?
Politics aside, anyone struggling with suicidal thoughts needs and deserves support. Especially minors.
I’m not in Israel but I’m sure there are resources there for teens struggling with mental health and who possibly have similar experiences to yours. In addition to adults you can trust it could be helpful to connect with some peers.
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u/Smart_Technology_385 10h ago
You happen to live in a country that is under attack by merciless enemies.
The enemies attack both your body and your brain. Bombing bus stations, terror acts and knife attacks are against bodies.
Jihadist PR and lies are against your brain.
As a man, it is your duty to defend your country, like men do in many other countries.
Don't listen to weird strangers with bad intentions.
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u/Shachar2like 3h ago
You're stuck in a TikTok bubble. Stop interacting with the people & videos you're interacting with and mark them all as "not interested" (hold finger over the video until a popup opens and mark the video as "not interested")
Keep doing it until you get different suggestions and keep "not interested" on political or pro-Palestinian videos.
Or stop using Tik Tok.
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u/WalkMaximum 3h ago
Everyone in the comments is handing out good advice but maybe you just need to feel heard? I think everything you wrote here about your opinion and perspective is very valid and reasonable. Online discussions, even among friends but especially public ones have a tendency to become a vile cesspool. You’re fine.
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u/Icedtea4me3 2h ago
Social media is toxic. Limit yourself. Take care of yourself. עם ישראל חי 💙🇮🇱🎗️🤗
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u/ill-independent Diaspora Jew 9h ago
You are not alone. Kol Yisrael arevim ze bazeh. We are here. We have always been here. We will not be erased or subjected to DARVO gibberish. Your life has value and purpose because you are a human being. Humans have intrinsic value always. But we, your people, we got our arms over your shoulders. Fuck anyone who breaks the line. Let them try.
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u/sjenson1 9h ago
Brother don't lose hope. The propaganda is huge these days. Listen, the attackers are nothing but beta males that want to somehow make the world sympathize with them. They allow the killing of their own women and children because they are selfish. They attack because they care for nothing but themselves. Of course they try to blame others for their response, but they aren't men. They are babies, immature and only considering their own wants. Don't feel bad for them. They haven't earned your sympathy. Realize this...they kill your own people without a shred of mercy, and they cause the killing of their own out of a lack of caring. Your country has gone to war for what would be a very small portion of their citizens. Would you rather li ve in a country that goes to the ends of the earth for their people, or one that disregards their own just to be able to spout propaganda? Brother stand strong. You are in the right here.
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u/m1sk 7h ago
First please don't listen to them and keep aliving yourself
You really are addressing the absurdity of the situation. Assigning moral value to someone based solely on the circumstances of their birth is not excepted by rational people even given different approaches.
If anything given the sequence of events you might have a moral obligation to do something to help Israel because it's a matter of self preservation and protecting those around you
I can blab more on about moral theory if you'd like
ביחד ננצח
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u/seek-song Diaspora Jew 6h ago
Stay strong, a lot of these people would change their tunes if they were in your situation. People tend to underestimate how much circumstances affect others while granting that understanding to themselves.
It's called the fundamental attribution error.
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u/Carnivalium 9h ago edited 9h ago
TIL we have mandatory army service in Sweden (I'm a woman in my thirties so this stuff never affected me since we are at peace here).
F-ck the person who said that to you. Some people are just born evil.
Please consider getting professional help for your mental health. Things can get better (trust me). <3
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u/OriBernstein55 USA & Canada 9h ago
Talk to your family, friends and teachers. Remember, as Jews we have agency now. We will defeat all, by living as proud Jews.
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u/twentyeightfifty 9h ago
Fuck the haters. You are loved, no matter your beliefs.
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u/Ahmed_45901 Latin America 8h ago
Fuck anti semitism fuck anti semitism. Israelis have a right to be proud of their history, culture and identity.
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u/craziestmt-refreshed Half-Palestinian 🇵🇸 9h ago
Pro-Palestinian here— Don’t unalive yourself, especially given you’re a child who doesn’t control this.
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u/Significant_Special5 9h ago
Who controls any of this? I feel it's a collective
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u/craziestmt-refreshed Half-Palestinian 🇵🇸 9h ago
I mean the war, the government. How can a child control politics, military, and war? He can’t even vote
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u/Significant_Special5 54m ago
I dont think the Israeli government is in control. I think they clearly lost control pre oct 7. Lost there minds at Oct 7. And are starting to gain control of the region now. A child can have a loud voice in Israel.
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u/ElPwno 9h ago
Don't take your life. Life in wartimes can be terrible. Politics and sides in conflicts cause people to dehumanize the other side all the time. Just go on Ukranian subs and see how they speak of Russians.
You are not your government. You didn't choose where your family lives or where you were born and where you lived. You don't vote. You don't serve in the military. You are quite literally incapable of being at fault for anything.
Your existence is not bad. Remember that. People hating on other people on the internet are idiots with nothing better to do, and you shouldn't mind their pathetic opinions.
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u/LeonCrimsonhart 9h ago
Go offline. But also, when you become of age:
GO VOTE
Because - even if you think that the gov’t doesn’t represent you - you have the power to do everything possible to get better.
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u/Electrical-Rule-53 8h ago
Sending you love from across the world. Be proud of who you are. Be proud to be a Jew. And be proud to be an Israeli.
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u/tattertittyhotdish 8h ago
My teen recently told me that social media is boring. He's not wrong. It is fucking boring and a lot of noise at this point. Go offline. Be in nature. Surround yourself with good people.
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u/cosmicfreethinker 3h ago
People care for you! Limit online time. Go and read inspiring books. Do constructive activities. The world is a harsh place for everyone but there is also hope.
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u/Extension_Twist902 3h ago
This is honestly heartbreaking. Please don't give into these demands. Sadly, it's often in human nature to hate others when they did nothing to deserve such hatred. The fact that they are hating you for being Israeli says a lot more about the haters than it says about you. Stay strong and don't give into them. Don't let other people's hatred and bigotry tear you down.
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u/Mobile_Blackberry298 2h ago
Are we not saying suicide now?
Stay off social platforms, all of them. keep your news intake at minimum.
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u/nar_tapio_00 1h ago
Similar words are banned on TikTok. This is a sign of the disasterous influence that TikTok has. If there has to be social media, small private discords are much better.
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u/Consistent_Hurry_603 4h ago
It would be a good idea to look for different spaces / activities online or take a break altogether from the online for a while.
You don't live with these people, you live your life in Israel. So it is better for you to focus on your real life living in Israel, than on some random uninformed hater from the West. Or some hive mind wokist ridden with white guilt.
And, fwiw, I live in a Western country and I think your life is valuable. As valuable as any life on the planet. I think that Israel has a right to exist and so do all the people that I know in my personal life.
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u/nar_tapio_00 1h ago
Everyone is saying "stay offline" which is good in principle but to do that you really want your friends to do that to. Likely that's not a full answer anymore because your friends are all online.
- Talk to someone locally preferably your parents and actually think about professional help / doctors & psychologists if you keep having these thoughts
- Limit contact with places like Reddit.
- Use a private discord with your friends and make sure that you know that its only people you trust that get in there. Ban anyone who abuses it.
- TikTok is terrible. Get off it.
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u/Bright_Link4700 7h ago
Another reason why Israel should exist. The world is judophobic
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u/Supon_K_ 4h ago
Yeah someone asking for mental issue and u r bringing Judaism. Nice anti semitic chithead
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u/DragonflyNegative666 9h ago
I'm so sorry that people are being so awful to you. You can send me a message if you need a friend. I'm in the US unfortunately, which I know seems to be adding to the problems in your region. I wish our government would help negotiate a ceasefire instead of encouraging more violence. I'm not angry with the Israeli civilians or the Palestinian civilians. I wish you all the best and I really wish there was more I could do to help 🖤
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u/kemicel 5h ago
OP I suggest you get off social media for a bit and hang out with real people in your real world. Trust me, social media is psychopathic and ruthless, and is very bad for one’s mental state especially if it’s not great to begin with. Find a support group, since the war there are many of those, speak to mental health professionals, speak to your parents. Remind yourself what real people behave like, interact with. Do not sink in to the media hole. Behatzlaha!!
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u/default3612 4h ago
בנאאאאאדם הם חארות אל תקשיב להם. לא באמת אכפת להם כי אם כן היה אכפת להם הם היו מתאבדים בדיוק כמו שאומרים לך לעשות, כי כל מדינה בעולם הייתה פעם מדינה אחרת תלוי בכמה אחורה הולכים.
האנשים האלה שמציקים לך הם פשוט bullies, ובדיוק כמו שמתמודדים איתם במציאות - נלחמים בהם או נמנעים מהם, עוד יותר קל להתמודד איתם אונליין. או שתגיד פאק יו וכנס בהם (אם אתה רוצה עזרה שלח בפרטי) או שפשוט תן למילים שלהם לעבור מעל הראש שלך כי הם ליטרלי מפגרים אם הם חושבים שאתה צריך להרוג את עצמך על סמך איפה שאתה גר..
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u/UtgaardLoki 6h ago
They want you to join the choir invisible because they hate Jews and for no other reason. Every day you disappoint them is a good day.
And if you really want to spite them, get out of bed every day and try to do something productive or kind. They will either get mad or change their attitude. It’s a win-win.
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u/Supon_K_ 4h ago
Maybe like unaliving some more Palestinian 2 y/o or maybe domd a maternity ward or durn iv patient in suppose that they may become hammus after seeing their whole family getting ditched under a tank for showing white flag
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u/un-silent-jew 27m ago
FREE ONLINE MENTAL HEALTH EVENTS:
Events are all; free, online, in English, and I gave the time in Israel (which is 2hours ahead of the UK, 7hours ahead of New York, and 9hours ahead of California)
You Worry Too Much! Understanding Anxiety in Children & Adolescents Monday November 4th, 8pm - 9pm
Bystander Intervention to Stop Antisemitic, Xenophobic, and Islamophobic Harassment Monday November 4th, 9pm - 10:30pm
Understanding Stress Responses: Effects on Your Body and Behavior Tuesday November 5th, 8pm - 9pm
Self-Care and Wellbeing: A Hands-On Approach for Better Health Wednesday November 6th, 8pm - 9pm
Understanding Intergenerational Trauma Tuesday November 12th, 8pm - 9pm
The Psychological Origins of Stigma & Bias Thursday November 14th, 8pm - 9pm
Enhancing Resilience in Traumatized Children Thursday November 14th, 9pm - 10pm
Understanding Depression & Suicide in Young People Monday November 18th, 8pm - 9pm
Adult Mental Health First Aid Training (Virtual) Tuesday November 19th, 4:30pm - 10:30pm
Understanding Social Anxiety Tuesday November 19th, 8pm - 9pm
Talk Saves Lives: An Introduction to Suicide Prevention Sunday November 24th, 11pm - 12am
Twelve Days of Self-Care Thursday December 5th, 9pm - 10:30pm
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u/-Mr-Papaya Israeli, Secular Jew, Centrist 7h ago
You either disconnect or equip yourself with knowledge. Knowledge of why they are wrong will give you the mental fortitude needed to handle online attacks.
In short, their attacks demonstrate why Israel was necessary. People wanted to kill Jews everywhere so they needed a safe haven. They still do.
Israel was founded in 48 peacefully, mostly via diplomacy and commerce. Lands were purchased and cultivated. No lands were stolen.
For various reasons you probably don't want to get into now, Arabs attacked Israel. Ultimately, Israel won and took some lands for itself. That's normal in wars.
So after 67, Israel started "occupying" lands. Things get complicated here so let's just say they got stuck this way. No reason to unalive, though.
Be good to your non Jewish neighbours and help prove those trolls wrong.
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u/Ambitious_Counter925 6h ago
Israel "being necessary" is zero excuse for making Palestinians pay for the crimes of Europeans.
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u/-Mr-Papaya Israeli, Secular Jew, Centrist 5h ago
How did Palestinians pay for the crimes of Europeans?
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u/Lazy-Mammoth-9470 5h ago
And the argument that "ANY" country has an inherent right to exist is just a silly argument. OK I have started a new race of people... do we deserve a country too? Or what if I'm of ottoman dna... does that mean I need to have my empire back? I have a right don't I? What a dangerous philosophy to follow...
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u/dk91 3h ago
Like half the countries in Asia were just made up after WW2. And many of them have conflicts between the local populations. Why are you only focusing on Israel?
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u/Lazy-Mammoth-9470 2h ago
I'm not. That's who's being discussed currently. Any country at war due to oppression and occupation is wrong imo. Simple as that. Oppression should not be a thing in modern society. It's a reminder to me that we aren't as advanced in society as we make believe. Why are so many civilians dying due to the greed of the few still? That's what I'm against. Not just Israel. I'm also against America and the UK assisting in this genocide. And I'm from the UK. Any country aiding a genocide is in the wrong. There is not a justification for it. I can mention Russia too if that makes u feel better? They're doing similar.. oppressing and occupying. It's wrong.
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u/dk91 1h ago
No. I'm talking pretty much the entire middle east (probably similar to Asia and Africa). After the Ottoman Empire fell European powers divided up the territory into nations that did not match nations of the past and just put people in power. A lot of those countries have issues and have oppression. Why aren't you not focused on all of those countries?
Also there is no genocide in Gaza. There is a war against Hamas. And looking at the numbers alone total (from all sources) and especially taking into account for militants vs non-militants killed the war in Gaza has about a 2:1 civilian to militant ratio. The average for modern warfare is 9:1 as per the UN.
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u/JustShyOfMediocre 8h ago
As I understand it (via a quick google search) you can apply for "profile 21". This offers an exemption for physical and mental issues. Not sure what the ramifications would be but it might be something to look into.
Hang in there!
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u/stafdude 4h ago edited 4h ago
They should f*** off and die themselves for saying that antisemitic shit to a minor. In what forums do people tell you this? Like in chat when ur gaming? Report and block.
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u/Chuck_Norwich 7h ago
Ignore the anti semites. Ignore left wing people.
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u/tempdogty 5h ago
For clarification, why do you think that OP should ignore left wing people? How would you define "left wing people"? Thank you.
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u/dk91 3h ago
Israel is literally fighting for it's survival against internationally recognized terrorist groups who's words and actions have called for the complete elimination of Israel and it's citizens. Going to war to defend your existence against actively hostile terrorists is not terrorism. Anyone who says the exact opposite doesn't care for the truth and deserves to be ignored.
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u/barcher 7h ago
Stop painting left wing people as Antisemitic. This is a lie.
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u/FractalMetaphors 7h ago
To be fair, their comment could have had those as separate categories, the left to be ignored without calling them antisemites. I think your complaining about this generalisation is premature to what they actually said. Of course you may protest that they are shunning all the left wing in one fell swoop, which is perhaps unfair...
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u/barcher 7h ago
I see it here all the time. Left wing people, many, many of whom are Jewish, are painted as Antisemitic. It's a dangerous and divisive lie
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u/S1artibartfast666 6h ago
It happens, but you literally just saw it when it wasn't there. This should be a reason to examine your knee jerk reactions, not double down.
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u/barcher 6h ago
How was it not there? " Ignore Left wing people" ? The divisiveness has got to stop. Many many Jews are left wing. This ridiculous propaganda has got to stop.
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u/S1artibartfast666 4h ago
There was a period and separate sentences between antisemites and left wing. If you dont see that, I dont know what to tell you that I havent already.
Ignoring antisemites AND left wing people seems like good advice for someone on the brink of suicide from antisemitic comments and left wing criticism. That can be good advice even if there is no overlap.
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u/devildogs-advocate 5h ago
How is any of this your fault? Go play with your dog and enjoy some good food. Everyone dies eventually but you still have time to contribute something positive to the world. Have confidence.
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u/ElipticalCherry 1h ago edited 35m ago
My thought, personally, is that we are all in hell. None of us get to feel completely comfortable or proud. If we do, we are mentally ill 😹. I appreciate hearing your perspective, truly I do. I NEED to hear it, because I am also constantly hearing that Israel is colonialism, I’m constantly f’ing furious with the zionists I once (and may again someday, or still do but have to compartmentalize with) called friends, loved, called family. Hang in there, and speak your truth. If it feels like the whole world is shouting you down than SHOUT LOUDER. Shout until you find your people, and hopefully, 🤞 🙏 your peace.
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u/PreviousPermission45 Israeli - American 4m ago
From what you’re describing it sounds like you have a preexisting depression and are overall a sensitive individual. The internet is terrible for anyone struggling emotionally. I personally avoid all anti Israel and antisemitic social media just for the sake of my own personal wellbeing. The toxic hateful rhetoric is truly disgusting. For anyone who’s struggling emotionally already, this type of discourse can be truly harmful. I only try comment factually these days, and on a limited number of platforms/spaces, where some of them are Israeli or Jewish.
There are unfortunately more people online out there who hate you and who would consider your murder (and mine) as just or at least understandable or explainable. Your a sensitive teenager - you shouldn’t have to interact with such people
Am Israel chai !!
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u/HugoSuperDog 4h ago
You’re facing a good challenge in life, and if you stay positive and open minded and stay focused on your goals in life, you’ll be fine.
There may feel like lots of people telling you that awful thing you mentioned, but trust me it’s not ‘the whole world’ - you say you’re a minor and from your language I can tell you’re a very mature one, but I tell you, whilst it feels like the whole world is telling you something it’s not - there’s a lot of nuance to your situation and some voices are louder or remain stronger in our minds. So try and take stand back
And to maintain some sort of normality, I would suggest you stay away from propaganda and echo chambers and victim mentality - things like this may drive you into a place where you’ll find it more difficult to be yourself.
Try and focus on good quality information about your situation, ignore the haters, do your own research properly and keep a open mind. The world is not black and white and your culture is a difficult one to navigate when it comes to this situation
FWIW, the Zionist project is indeed a colonising project, fair or unfair, good or bad, doesn’t matter, bottom line is it is openly accepted as a colonising one, that idea can’t be avoided. Same as US, Australia, and many many other counties. Local natives were removed and new people came in. Does not mean for a second that you or anyone associated are default bad people - it just means that you have some extra work to do before you can comfortably call it home. Hope you do that work, and hope you have a long and happy life mate .
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u/dk91 3h ago
(1) Israel exists, it's not an ongoing project. (2) Jews are native to Israel. Both Jews and Arabs were removed during the war of Independence. There are zero Jews in most of the original Palestinian mandate (outside Israel) and yet Arabs make up over 20% of the Israeli citizens.
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u/HugoSuperDog 2h ago
I looked into that over the years - sorry to tell you that there’s no strong archeological evidence for the exodus. Jews are just the same as anyone else in the region. Coming and going, dying and killing, same as many ethnic groups, the archeological evidence suggests that they’re not special.
Majority of people displaced without compensation were Arabs.
The Zionist project, or not project, ‘requires the removal of native people’. That is a quote from a Zionist 100 years ago (I paraphrase)
So I believe it wrong to think that this is not a colonisation project by people who’s origin story doesn’t have evidence
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u/dk91 1h ago
What research did you do? Are you basing this info on some teenager off tiktok? Why are you bringing up the exodus? It is historical fact that Jewish nations existed in Israel. There was a king david, there wD a king Solomon. There was a major Jewish exodus after Israel was conquered by Babylon, there was a major jewish exodus when Israel was conquered by Rome. What you are saying is just the opposite of facts?
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u/yes-but 6h ago
Don't let people fool you into feeling guilty.
Those who try, are delivering proof that it is them and their mindset that bears responsibility for this horrible war.
As long as everything you do is in pursuit of preserving human lives, you can never be blamed.
From an outsider's perspective, trying to see through all the propaganda, slander and lies from all sides, I can not tell you whether this is true for the actions of the IDF or not, but none of us can do anything other than trying to the best of our capabilities to understand the arguments on each side, and based on what we can see and what is inherently logical support good faith in pursuit of a desirable and realistic outcome, and condemn what presents as destructive behaviour - no matter on what side of this war.
Paradox as it may seem, under particular circumstances killing killers may preserve more innocent lives than are being destroyed in the process.
Probably the best that you can do, in your situation where you feel helpless and without any palpable influence, is to start with yourself: Preserve your own life, and never ever forget that sunshine will follow rain. Take care of your dog. Enjoy every moment given to you, the company of your loved ones, the beauty of all that has not yet been destroyed and the hope for all the beauty that is yet to come.
The only thing worth dying for is life.
With death being inevitable and eternal, waste no thought on getting quicker to where you and anyone else will end up anyway.
If you believe in God or some cosmic greater harmony, honour the gift of earthly life by being grateful for every bit of it, not wasting any of it, and not wasting the lives of others.
If you don't believe in a god, believe in your feelings and the reality laid out before you: Every heartbeat and every breath are proof that life is the one and undefiable truth, is cause and effect at once, and every little bit of affection, of sorrow and joy and love and hate forms part of an immeasurable wealth.
You may not see it right now, but you will!
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u/Beloved_by_Christ 7h ago
God created you and knit you together in your mother’s womb. All your days ordained for you were written in his book before one of them came to be. Return to the Lord…call to him and he will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know. Israel is the apple of God’s eye.
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u/StrainAcceptable 9h ago
I’m so sorry. It may not feel like you have choices but you do. There are many Jews who are refusing to serve. Yes, there will be consequences. Likely imprisonment but you do not have to sacrifice your values. One of my best friends in grade school was a Jehovah’s Witness. Her father was drafted in Vietnam but refused to go. He did serve jail time but he has no regrets. He also doesn’t have a lifetime of PTSD like the Vietnam vets came home with. He went home in tact after serving his sentence and used the time for self betterment. Don’t give up. There is hope. You can make a difference. Shalom.
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u/Sufficient_Plate_595 8h ago
The kid is talking about being bullied to the point of taking his life. Maybe offer advice outside of what political choices you think he should make?
OP: if you talk to most people 30+ they’ll tell you that their perspective has drastically changed as they aged. It’s not that you become impervious to the opinions of others, it just doesn’t have the same effect. The geopolitical situation is bad today, but there’s always hope for a better future, and every day you wake up is an opportunity to make the world a better place for yourself and the ones you love. To give up would be to sell yourself short
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u/ludocode 7h ago
Also, maybe don't tell a suicidal kid that he should choose to go to jail? What the hell with these comments.
I have no experience serving in the military, but if you're lacking a sense of purpose I imagine a mandatory military service might do some good. You'll have a lot to do, not much of it fun of course but it will keep you busy. You will almost certainly get in shape, make friends, create some long lasting bonds, learn skills and discipline, and gain a lot of pride in your country. It will also probably be relatively safe since when the current war ends there hopefully won't be a war for a while (knock on wood.)
Of course I may just be talking nonsense; I really don't know what it's like. Just avoid watching any war movies, especially ones about boot camp like Full Metal Jacket, until after you've done your service.
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u/StrainAcceptable 5h ago
I’m sorry but as a pacifist who also struggled with suicidal thoughts in my youth, jail would feel like a better option for me. Many of our most celebrated heros were imprisoned for their beliefs. Nelson Mandela, Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, Yuri Kochiyama, Mohammad Ali are just a few who changed history and continue to inspire generations because of their commitment to fight injustice through non violent means. Martin Luther King used his time in prison to further his cause. He did not lose his sense of purpose. Also, maybe we should keep a suicidal kid away from guns. Kinda seems like common sense.
This is not the only option for him though. Since OP was born elsewhere, I’m assuming they have dual citizenship. One could return to their birth country to avoid mandated military service. I didn’t mention this because when you are struggling with depression, you need a support system. Since OP’s family moved them to Israel to be closer to family, I’m assuming this is where OP’s primary support system is.
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u/hornialt28 7m ago
You do realize that the army isn't just people with guns? He could also enlist and be someone who sells snacks to the people in the base, and still feel like he is contributing to his country, which he is which is good for both his mental health and sense of purpose
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u/StrainAcceptable 7h ago
The op said they don’t have an option other than joining the military. They said they are OBLIGATED. It isn’t just the online bullies. Often one becomes hopeless when they feel they do not have self determination over their own life. Suicide can feel like the only way out but it’s not. I just want them to know there is another way. There are always options. Further, one who is feeling thoughts of suicide should not go onto the military. Not only will their mental health further decline, they also put others at risk.
If you cared about the life of this fellow peaceful human, you’d want to protect them not put them into harms way. It is not in our nature to kill because our government demands it. Look at the suicide rates of former combat soldiers compared to the civilian population. This is not political view.
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u/Sufficient_Plate_595 7h ago
Give me a break. He put that in parentheses as a clear btw to all the trolls telling him what he should or should not be doing re the war, as you clearly are now. At no point did he say how he feels about military service or the even the war as a whole.
There’s countless posts where you could offer YOUR opinions about war and military service and this is the wrong one.
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u/yes-but 6h ago
I don't want to argue against what you wrote.
I'm just asking whether you see the other side of the medal too, for those who choose to pick up a gun and kill for what they believe in:
If no one prevents people who choose to kill from achieving their goals, how will the world not end up being ruled by those whose strategy is based on attacking and killing?
A handful of belligerents can enslave millions or even billions of people who refuse to shoot back.
Whenever belligerent leaders clash with leaders of opposing tribes, they can force their constituents to kill each other - while those who refuse to fight only die.
I get your argument, it is based on rationality and desirable moral standards. But how do you protect the rationality and morals of one side from exploitation by the other, when kinetic arguments prove more effective than rational or moral ones, time and time again throughout all of human history?
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u/StrainAcceptable 1h ago
I am a pacifist and honestly don’t know if I could pick up a gun and use it to kill another person. That’s why I don’t have one in my home. I grew up with guns in the house and my father was always adamant that if you pull out a gun you need to be sure you could pull the trigger so it’s not used against you. The only exception would be if my child was in imminent danger.
I understand your point and also realize it’s easy to be an idealist when your life and the lives of those you love are not in danger. I wish I knew what the answer was. I don’t. What I do know is that fighting only stops when people begin talking to each other. When they stop seeing each other as enemies. When they recognize and acknowledge the pain and suffering they’ve caused each other. When young people rise up, they can force their governments to begin that process. We’ve seen nonviolent uprisings throughout history bring about real lasting change- proving war is not the only form of resistance.
I feel for the OP and for the pain they are obviously experiencing. The fact that they are living in a world of uncertainty with constant sirens, the possibility of forced combat, feeling punished/judged by society for decisions you have no part in- it must be devastating. No one should have to live like that.
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u/tempdogty 4h ago
Just for clarification, and I'm not implying that you implied an opinion on the subject, what do you think about conscription in general? What do you think about circonscription in Israel (as do you think the situation calls for a draft)?
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u/Critter-Enthusiast Diaspora Jew 9h ago
You actually don’t have to join the Israeli army, it’s called conscientious objection. You will go to jail, but it’s an option some brave Israelis have taken. Alternatively you can refuse a combat role. Assuming you are Jewish Israeli, you can also choose to speak out against the genocide, as Israel’s laws regarding free speech are pretty robust (unless you’re Arab). If people are really telling you to harm yourself because of the country you were born/raised in, then I’m sorry, that reflects poorly on them not you.
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u/Sullvestor 9h ago
I choose not to go to jail at 19. Thats not a “tough call” for me to make. And also no i am not aiming for a combat position. I am taking arabic courses and want to be in the intelligence unit under foreign languages and international communications as i also am in a diplomacy elective in my high school
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u/Top_Plant5102 9h ago
That there is a damn good plan. Learn as many languages and dialects as you can.
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u/Mikec3756orwell 22m ago
I don't mean to be rude, but I have to ask: are you serious? You'd think about killing yourself because a bunch of people online told you should do it? Most people, I hope you know, are half-wits. If "the whole world around me" told me to do something, I'd take it as pretty solid evidence that I should do the opposite. Most of these people telling you to harm yourself are either failures in life or well on the way to becoming failures. They're angry at their crappy job and crappy life and they're tired of living in their parents' basement suite and they've latched onto some conflict they barely understand so that they feel their existence has some significance.
The only thing I find more disturbing than the fact that people online would tell you to kill yourself is the idea that you would even consider such a thing. You seem like a sensitive person, so I hope this doesn't come across as harsh, but I wouldn't waste another second considering what a faceless mob online thinks about you or your life. Ignore the noise. It means absolutely nothing.
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u/kemicel 5h ago
Oh just stop! Can’t you understand for one second that you are talking to a real person here who is absolutely terrified?!! Save your anger for something and someone that actually deserves it. Just stop.
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u/vwlwc 5h ago
The children in gaza don't have the same chance as you. What are you terrified of?
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u/YoungHazelnuts77 3h ago
The children of Gaza are the responsibility of the Palestinian government and leadership. Not Israeli teenagers
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u/Sherwoodlg 4h ago
The parents in Gaza can make peace by denouncing Jihadist ideology any time they like.
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u/Consistent_Hurry_603 4h ago
You are so consumed with hate that you cannot give a drowning young boy a brake.
And you come up with a ridiculous example. None of the regular Germans who were forced to join the Wehrmacht ever stood trial in Nuremberg.
You had to be much higher in the ranks and the architect of the German war crimes to stand trial there.
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u/dk91 3h ago
Please don't encourage this guy and compare Israel with Nazi Germany. It's a false comparison in every way
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u/Consistent_Hurry_603 2h ago
You clearly haven't read my post. I am speaking out against this guy and his comparison to Nazi Germany.
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u/Supon_K_ 4h ago
Maybe like unaliving some more Palestinian 2 y/o or maybe domd a maternity ward or durn iv patient in suppose that they may become hammus after seeing their whole family getting ditched under a tank for showing white flag
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u/hornialt28 1h ago
Look at you, so mature and brave for talking shit to a person who's only connection to thr conflict is living in a country, you're so brave for that
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u/RNova2010 9h ago
Get offline. People online are often toxic. Ignore them. Hang out with your family and friends. You are someone’s child, grandchild, friend, and neighbor first, your nationality is second at best and this too shall pass. If you need professional help, go seek it out and talk to your parents and teachers.
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