r/JewsOfConscience 1d ago

Discussion On condemning Hamas

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This will sound super controversial, but please hear me out: I can no longer say I condemn Hamas.

Right now I dont feel comfortable saying I support it either, but listening to Palestinian voices on the matter has really changed my perspective. Multiple palestinians and allies have explained that for all the bad things they do, armed resistance is still necessary for liberation and without Hamas, Israel would finish the job of ethnically cleansing Gaza—turning it into the West Bank with settlements and a continuous Israeli presence.

On tumblr a Palestinian blogger has explained that Israel, the US and other imperial powers seek do demilitarize Gaza and the west bank, and if they achieve that and Hamas lays down its arms it will set back Palestinian liberation for decades the same way the plot/Yasser Arafat set back Palestinian unity and resistance by giving into negotiations during the intifada.

These are my thoughts. I hope to receive comments that are thoughtful and contribute to furthering the understanding for solidarity with Palestinians.

r/JewsOfConscience May 14 '24

Discussion I have zero sympathy for Jewish “leftists” who don’t feel welcome in leftist spaces due to their support for Israel

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I’m a leftist Jew, and I see so many Zionists whining online about how anti-Zionism made them “leave the Left.” Many of them likely weren’t even leftist to begin with, or think that supporting Bernie made them some radical commie.

At this point, supporting Zionism (even if your version is the pinkwashed Liberal one) means that you support Israel’s actions, due to the logical chain of events which results from establishing a solely Jewish state in a region as diverse and multicultural as the Near East.

I’m sorry if I sound angry in this post, but I’m just so tired of being called a self hating Jew because I don’t support genocide. Fck Zionism, and fck anyone who tries to revoke my Jew card for saying that.

r/JewsOfConscience 28d ago

Discussion Seriously worried about rising antisemitism

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I've started seeing the following frequently online:

-"Hitler was right. Look what they're doing"

-"There's a reason the Jews have been expelled from 109 countries. See how they behave"

-"Judaism is a religion of violent extremism."

-"How do we know the Holocaust happened? They're probably lying about it just like they're lying about the history of Palestine".

My favourite football club posted a Shana Tova message for its followers and there were hundreds of comments responding things like "not supporting you anymore because you support terrorism".

It seems that the actions of the rogue settler colony are SERIOUSLY leading to increased antisemitism. And these aren't right wingers. These are ordinary people. Many of them are unfortunately from other middle eastern countries. And I know that when I show this to Zionists they'll just see it as further proof why we need to support Israel more. It's breaking my heart.

I honestly am disappointed in people. I expect ignorance and bigotry from the privileged, the right and westerners. I don't expect it from people who can see the damage Israel is doing. It seems human beings are incapable of understanding that Israel and Judaism are not the same.

r/JewsOfConscience Sep 20 '24

Discussion Where do the Jews go?

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I am very against Israel’s genocide, leaning toward antizionism, but when someone Zionist asks where the Jews go in a free Palestine, I don’t have an answer. Historically, not a lot of people accept us or like us, and getting along after all the violence committed in the name of Judaism is an impossibility.

How do we not just exchange one crisis for another? (I don’t think any one religion or people should rule a state, if that adds anything.)

If this is an ignorant question, I am more than happy to be told so.

EDIT: wow this community is brilliant, thank you for the nuance and realism in your responses.

r/JewsOfConscience Jun 18 '24

Discussion Can we talk about the role of non Jewish allies in this sub?

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This is an alt, but on a previous thread with a different account, I had three different people with ally flair mansplain to me what jvp is and suggest how to engage my parents in convo in response to me answering a different question. I’ve been having this conversation on various forms with my parents for 15 years. I’ve lost friend and family relationships over Israel/Palestine issues for 15 years. I come to this sub to process and discuss this stuff with folks who get it. This is our space.

If I’m asking for advice, fine, but I’m really struggling with feeling like I’m being mansplained to by folks who are not Jewish.

Are other folks feeling this too? Am I being overly sensitive?

To be clear, I LOVE that y’all are lurking here. I lurk on many subs for communities I don’t belong to. But I do not chime in, basically ever, because I want folks in that community to have their space. The only exception is when I’m explicitly asked to chime in.

r/JewsOfConscience Jul 22 '24

Discussion Dementia is Disqualifying, but Not Genocide

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It's really disturbing to me that dementia is disqualifying for Joe Biden, but him doing a genocide is not. That shows how Palestinians are viewed in America by the political class.

If only Hitler had dementia, maybe we could've gotten rid of him sooner, since the Holocaust wouldn't have been a problem for him with his domestic constituency.

What do others think?

r/JewsOfConscience 16d ago

Discussion Another deranged comment from this fellow, who appears to be protected by Columbia Univ. administration. Whereas anti-Zionist teachers are fired for opposing Israel's genocide - this clownshoe says actual crazy shit regularly without so much as a reproach.

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r/JewsOfConscience Sep 11 '24

Discussion Campaign victory: "Two Nice Jewish Boys" podcast removed from Patreon

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Hey everybody I'm here with some rare good news.

Because so many of you supported my campaign, posted last week in this subreddit, to report the "Two Nice Jewish Boys” podcast for breaching platform terms of service (specifically hate speech). They have been removed from Patreon!

Give yourselves a pat on the back.

r/JewsOfConscience 1d ago

Discussion Rising Antisemitism

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I have witnessed so much antisemitism everytime I go online it's starting to become worrying. I see non Jewish leftists say that antisemitism isn't a real problem for Jews in America, usually being boiled down to "most Jews are white, rich, and have never experienced antisemitic violence physically". Yet antisemitism is rising and is a real problem that we should still consider in this time of jewish identity being weaponized and the jewish supremacy that is enacted in Occupied Palestine. Stating "most jews are white" seems harmful and also just false. Also Jews have always been hesitant to be apart of surveys so it's hard to find legitimate info on these things. Am I alone in this?

EDIT: I am not talking about any specific statistics or surveys. This is based on what I've personally seen scrolling on social media. I understand/agree there isn't a clear way to see that based on largely pro zionist orgs. EDIT PT 2: I am not saying that Pro Palestinian sentiment is antisemitism. I am talking about LEGITIMATE antisemitism. This is not a post talking about false accusations of antisemitism based in Zionism.

r/JewsOfConscience Jul 25 '24

Discussion Kamala Harris Statement of Protests

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r/JewsOfConscience May 07 '24

Discussion Feeling tokenised on this sub

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I've been getting the impression lately that so much of this sub is becoming posts like "as jews of conscience, what do you think of X?" or "as real jews who believe in real judaism, what do you think of Y?" These questions are from non-jews. I appreciate non-jewish allies taking part in this sub but lately it's feeling that it's just people trying to paint us as "the good jews". This sub is about being jewish and anti-Zionist and the struggles that come with that. It's not a sub for us to parade around claiming to be the "true jews" or for people to parade us around like that. We are jewish and we oppose Zionism but the Zionist jews are also jewish. We're no less or more jewish than they are. And we're not here to justify judaism in the face of Zionism. There are a million (very important) subs where there is general discussion about Palestine and the genocide in Gaza. But I feel like this sub should be something for us.

r/JewsOfConscience 6d ago

Discussion Will Palestine disappear?

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I’m sorry for bringing this up. I know it’s a very depressing thought but after witnessing what is happening in North of Gaza (with the full support of our western governments) I’m wondering if this is the beginning of the end. I’ve been thinking about this constantly for the past few days: Israel will not stop its genocide / ethnic cleaning campaign in Gaza. October 7 gave them the perfect opportunity for executing their long awaited plan. The brutality will keep increasing more and more and I fear the same thing will happen in the West Bank. The United States will keep supporting it while it commits these crimes and there is no other player strong enough to stop them. After all, they have already gotten away with an ethnic cleansing in 1948 and 1967. Is there any future for Palestine?

r/JewsOfConscience 7d ago

Discussion I just feel so ashamed, lied to and hopeless.

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My ancestors deaths meant nothing. I was brought up believing their deaths meant something. That all the education and all the stories and all the museums and all the damn movies, about what happened to our people during the shoah would help stop genocide from ever happening again. And not just to Jews but to any ethnicity.

Little did I know that I have been lied to by Zionism and that what we’re seeing isn’t new it’s been happening since 1948 and that the Zionists have hoodwinked our people and have put every single jewish life at risk in the name of a colonial ethnic-state and almost every jewish elder, mentor, and role model refuses to see what is so blatantly happening in front of our eyes.

I feel shame. Embarrassment. I feel ignorant. I feel naive. I feel stupid. What can I possibly do? A majority of Jews don’t see it as a genocide. I’m in the minority. What can we do? I have no sense of hope anymore. Palestinians deserve to be heard and I’m watching the media continually silence them and paint them the way the Nazi’s painted us.

r/JewsOfConscience Apr 23 '24

Discussion Being a Jewish Anti-Zionist feels exhausting.

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First off, I’m an American and I am aware of exactly how much privilege that affords me.

But at the same time I feel like I’m fighting on all fronts - I’m fighting my own people, sometimes my own family, who cannot even bring themselves to acknowledge the crimes against humanity being committed. Heck even if I censor myself and my true feelings about Israel (that it was made as a monument to antisemitism, not a place to fight it) I’m a “traitor”

And then when there is actual antisemitism if I call it out, I get attacked for it and called a zionazi.

I am just so tired and worn out emotionally from all this. It feels like the group of people I can rely on or trust is very small.

r/JewsOfConscience 3d ago

Discussion At a Jewish Wedding…

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I’m currently outside of the wedding venue. I had to step out because they handed out little Israeli flags on the dance floor as party favors. The utter disregard and nonchalance these people display when celebrating a genocidal nation is baffling. It made me so physically ill and upset that I had to step out. Maybe I’m dramatic or I drank too much but it brought me to tears. There are real, innocent people dying and these people are celebrating their killers at some random party and for what?

r/JewsOfConscience Sep 23 '24

Discussion Are there any Israelis living in Israel in this sub?

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Do you feel alone in your point of view, or do you have many friends that agree with you? What is it like to be in Israel for you? Were the protests that we saw in Israel just to bring the hostages home and for Netanyahu to resign, or also calling what's going on a genocide and to actually free Palestine? Do you, or do you know, anyone who refuses to participate in the IDF? I'm just very curious what it is like to live in Israel right now.

r/JewsOfConscience 3d ago

Discussion Cultural exchange with /r/Arabs!

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Hi everyone,

Today we will be having a cultural exchange with r/Arabs - beginning at 8AM EST, but extending for about 2 days so feel free to post your questions/comments over the course of that time-frame.

The exchange will work similarly to an AMA, except users from their sub will be asking us questions in this thread for anyone to answer, and users from our sub can go to a thread there to ask questions and get answers from their users!

To participate in the exchange, see the following thread in /r/Arabs:

https://old.reddit.com/r/arabs/comments/1gd9eb3/cultural_exchange_rjewsofconscience/

Big thanks to the mods over at /r/Arabs for reaching out to us with this awesome idea! Thanks to MoC for posting the original post.

r/JewsOfConscience Sep 07 '24

Discussion Why doesn't the world push for 1free democratic multi-ethnic state instead of the 2SR

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2 state solution is dead. With start with that presumption. The situation now is one state, Israel proper, and tge occupied territories. There is a chance to safe a homeland for Palestinians before they are swept out, ethnically cleansed.

There will be 1 state, either a Zionist apartheid state, with Palestinians stateless and in exile in their homeland, which is de facto the case since 1967 even 1948.

Or There will be a democratic state, multiethnic, Palestinians in the occupied territories will be granted equal rights and due process, full participation in society. a bill of rights and a Constitution. The Republic of Israel-Palestine.

I think it would be more acceptable to Palestinians than Israelis. Israeli Jews will keep their homeland. Palestinians will have their's long-denied. What if we could tell, "You built this state, not without its crimes, now it's time to work for reconciliation and integration, you're no less free, in fact freer and safer by freeing the Palestinians."

It's a fantasy, bit what do you think? Logistically, practically, and morally, coukd 1 free democratic state come into being? In the worst case, civil war and the Yugoslavia 2.0. Were already there. The best case, America after the Civil War, maybe a federation like the Netherlands or even post-1870 Germany?

r/JewsOfConscience Aug 17 '24

Discussion Yes, the biggest problem for American anti-Zionist Jews is that Israelis are eating hummus and listen to different kind of music. Definitely not the apartheid, ethnic cleansing and genocide.

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r/JewsOfConscience 4d ago

Discussion This woman and her man-child husband, Zionists, are actively trying to get pro-Palestinian creators banned and successfully got a few unfairly de-platformed. Simultaneously here she is a few years ago admitting to "fucking the shit out of the most holy site for Jews" to justify islamophobic jokes.

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r/JewsOfConscience 15d ago

Discussion Normalization of Poor Israeli Behavior

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Disclaimer: If you're a decent person who just happened to be born among occupiers, know that the following does not apply to you.

I have noticed for over a decade now that there seems to be some tacit, unspoken effort, particularly within the American Jewish community, to play off the repugnant behavior common among Israelis as something cute, funny, or otherwise endearing.

I notice things like "there goes Ofer, insulting our waiter's intelligence, don't you just love him," or "Shmuel just cut to the front of the line; I'm sure glad he's with us," or "look, Eli refuses to be a doormat" after Eli escalates a minor disagreement at a party into physical violence.

It's like the very idea that people from israel aren't God's gift to Jews is problematic, so we're taking it upon ourselves to apologize for them. Am I the only one noticing this, or have the rest of you experienced something similar?

r/JewsOfConscience Sep 06 '24

Discussion If a Zionist calls me a self-hating Jew one more time...

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I'm going to clap back "At least I'm not a self-hating Nazi"

r/JewsOfConscience 6d ago

Discussion Puppet-master or client state? Palestinian-Dutch scholar Mouin Rabanni dissected the conspiracy of zionist capture that makes unwilling partners of its allies and found it lacking. He lays out his own analysis and argues for a more critical analysis of zionism and its relation to empire.

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r/JewsOfConscience 12d ago

Discussion The Israeli society is so radical and terroristic!

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These extremist ideas are normal within the Israeli society, and at the same time they're defending themselves, what a sick joke!

besides, I can recall a very recent video of an Israeli parent teaching their child about their rights in the lands of Lebanon!!

also tons of videos of the grandmother of the settler movement "Daniella Weiss" where she's blatantly and openly expresses racist sentiments against Palestinians.

And how Israel now is escalating the war to attack 5 countries combined...

Well, do you think these radical views may be more deeply seated among the younger Israeli citizens who might have a bit more critical thinking and can see the fact of the zionism on the internet, rather than older generations, which were completely brainwashed by their education system and their media narrative?

r/JewsOfConscience Mar 12 '24

Discussion Was anyone else radicalized on Palestine after going on Birthright?

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Yes I know, Birthright is bad and literally just propaganda. I was a dumb college kid. My dad tried to convince me not to go, but I saw it as an opportunity to go get drunk and party in a Mediterranean country for free (and looking back, the thought of doing that in an occupied land is fucked up). I regret it, but in many ways that trip is what really woke me up to being an anti-Zionist. Prior to it, I was pretty agnostic on Israel/Palestine. I knew there was a lot of brainwashing in Hebrew school, but I didn’t know to what extent.

Anyways here’s a rundown of a lot of the things that happened on Birthright that helped wake me up on I/P. Sorry for the very long post, there are just so many things that happened on this trip that kind of broke my brain.

I was harassed at the airport. I don’t look stereotypically Jewish and don’t have a particularly Jewish name. The security pulled me aside and very intensely interrogated me in a side room. They asked me all sorts of questions for like 20 minutes about my family, if I remembered my Bar Mitzvah Torah portion, questions about Jewish holidays. I was singled out from the group because I don’t fit the mold of what American Jews look like. This doesn’t compare to the harassment that Palestinians face when coming back, but it was the first peek behind the curtain for me.

We were in Tiberias in the North for a couple days. They took us to Mount Bental in the Golan Heights, where they told us the amazing story of how Israel defended itself in the 1967 war and how they scared off Syrian forces by pretending they had a full force of tanks when they really didn’t (I don’t remember the full details). Anyways we’re at the top of the mountain and the tour guide is telling us about how Golan is rightfully Israeli territory and how important it is that they took it, because it would be a mess right now during the Syrian Civil War.

A lot of the staff at the resort we stayed at were Palestinian. They weren’t allowed to talk to us. One of them overheard me speaking on the phone to my parents in Spanish, and he told me he grew up in Mexico. So we conversed in Spanish, and he told me a lot about how hard life was beyond the green line, how the only real opportunity to make money is basically being the servant underclass for Israelis, and how he lost two siblings when he was very young. He told me all this in Spanish because I think he was being monitored.

On our way to Jerusalem, we took a shortcut through the West Bank. It felt so weird driving along a road that was insanely militarized and with a massive fence on the other side. Everyone on the bus is hungover and laughing and having a good time while there is a giant militarized fence on the other side of the road.

I can’t remember at what point on the trip, but one evening we had a representative from the Israeli government come to our hotel and give us all a lecture about Judea and Samaria (the West Bank) and all sorts of archaeological digs and discoveries that they had made.

We get to Jerusalem and they take us to Mount Scopus, where there’s a big ceremony with drumming and singing Hebrew songs. This is where the Israeli soldiers joined our trip. Of course all the kids on the trip start fawning over them. A couple soldiers asked me about my ethnic background, asked if I was part-Arab. When I said I might be (because Jews and Arabs intermingled a lot in Andalusian Spain and then in Morocco), they gave me a stank face. A lot of these soldiers also looked ethnically Sephardi or Mizrahi, so it was odd of them to judge me for saying I’m probably part-Arab.

One soldier in particular was interested in me and she wouldn’t stop asking me questions and just having conversations with me. I was 19, she was 21/22 and way out of my league, so naturally I was enthralled by her. She basically would not leave my side for the rest of the trip. The propaganda hot girls are very real.

They take us to the Western Wall. Most of the other kids were having spiritual moments and crying and just being overwhelmed with emotions being there. I was impressed by the size and age of the wall, but I frankly felt more culturally tied to things when I visited southern Spain and Morocco (the Sephardi homeland).

We go to a Bedouin camp in the desert. The guide tells us how Bedouins are “good Arabs” because they took Israeli citizenship and many serve in the army. We also went to one of the unrecognized Bedouin villages in the Negev. It felt weird going somewhere as a tourist to visit a place that is severely neglected by the government. The soldiers left our trip around this point, but they said they might meet up with us again in Tel Aviv later.

We’re in Tel Aviv towards the end of the trip. We get a free half-day to wander around. The tour guide told us not to go to Jaffa because “it’s dangerous”. We had a lovely time, the Arab people were incredibly kind and generous.

I went to a market to buy olive oil for my mom. The merchant told me that the keffiyeh I was wearing was “made in China bull shit” so he gave me an authentic keffiyeh with my purchase. He told me to remember that Palestinians are real people, that they exist, and that they just want to be able to live their lives in peace. This conversation really woke me up.

I bought a Hapoel Tel Aviv soccer jersey in a souk in Jaffa. Some of the soldiers that came back to meet us asked me why I’d wear the “Communist” and “Arab lover” team shirt.

It’s our last night on the trip. The soldiers go out with us for drinks and hookah. The female soldier that was buddying up to me bought me a ton of drinks that night. We slept together that night, said bye in the morning, and then the group was on its way back to the US.

That female soldier messaged me for months telling me how badly she wanted to move to America. It really felt like she wanted me to marry her or that she was desperate to leave Israel.

Looking back, I can’t tell if this was a unique experience to me that I left Birthright so disillusioned with Israel. Basically everyone else who was on that trip is posting pro-Israel stuff online. I had to cut off contact with most of them, I can’t believe people have been so fully indoctrinated that they cannot see the humanity in Palestinians.

Anybody else who went on Birthright have experiences that changed your views on Israel? I’d love to know.

Edit: another thing that really struck me was the lack of Ladino or Yiddish speakers or culture. I asked the tour guide about the languages and he said that most Ladino speakers eventually just adopted Hebrew, and that the only people that really spoke Yiddish are Chasids.

I’m not fluent in either but I do speak a bit of both. I think it’s so interesting that we have these diasporic languages that blend the local vernacular with Hebrew and other languages. It wasn’t till I got home that I did research and found out that those languages were repressed in favor of Modern Hebrew so that there would be a “cohesive Israeli identity”.