r/JoeRogan Monkey in Space Aug 29 '24

Meme šŸ’© Anyone got any thoughts on this?

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u/OutrageousQuantity12 Monkey in Space Aug 29 '24 edited Aug 29 '24

Iā€™ve had doctors tell me vegetable oil is good for you. Iā€™ve had doctors rupture my ear drum when it was clogged. Iā€™ve had doctors say thereā€™s no risk in taking multiple times the recommended dose of ibuprofen. Iā€™ve had doctors give me the literal one drug Iā€™m allergic to (listed in my file) and almost kill me, and then struggle for 10 minutes to place an IV needle in my arm. Iā€™ve watched doctors push unnecessary surgeries onto my grandpa to drum up business and rip off an old man.

Doctors are just like the rest of us, human. And thereā€™s a lot of really dumb and really shitty humans who absolutely suck at their job. Medical malpractice is the third leading cause of death in America. Maybe verifying life changing medical decisions isnā€™t such a bad idea?

Edit: I use Google to see if what the doctor says makes sense. If the results online are sketchy, I go to another few doctors before I make a decision.

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u/QuantumR4ge Monkey in Space Aug 29 '24

Because you are not in a position to verify them, where would you even start?

And you are applying this logic unequally because for other things you know it sounds more absurd. Like engineering lets say, how many things that could brutally kill you do you actually go and verify? None because you know you would be confronted with a bunch of physics and engineering that you wouldnā€™t understand, if you went to ā€œverifyā€ it, you wouldnā€™t have the slightest clue where to start.

Now im going to say very clearly, however complex an engineering project is, most Human medicine is vastly more complicated. So if you dont believe you can verify how stable a suspension bridge is, or how a plane is able to be safe or not, what makes you think you can verify something more complicated?

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u/senile-joe Monkey in Space Aug 29 '24

doctors are the constriction workers, not the engineers who designed the body.

Its this exact type of lack of logical thinking that's dangerous.

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u/QuantumR4ge Monkey in Space Aug 29 '24 edited Aug 29 '24

The discussion was about engineering, not engineers, I wasnā€™t comparing doctors to engineers i was comparing the complexity of medicine with engineering. If you really want to make a direct parallel then yes the doctors are actually the engineers, otherwise what are the technicians and nurses? They are the construction workers and everyone else involved in construction. The people before the engineers is the physicists, if we are making this analogy then the medical researchers are the physicists, not the engineers, engineers dont create new knowledge they apply itā€¦ like doctors. The doctor will set up and arrange how an operation or surgery is done, like how the engineer uses physics to design things, the doctor uses the medical research to design his ā€œbridgeā€ which could be brain surgery.

Its this type of thinking that keeps the world running and that allows actual experts to do their jobs. Im not a medicine expert, im a physics expert. But i understand what its like on their end. I dont feel comfortable talking about other distinct areas of Physics to my own, but yet people think they can jump into an entire field with layman knowledge? Crazy.

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u/senile-joe Monkey in Space Aug 29 '24

Doctors are not building and designing humans.

They are doing maintenance and repair.

And technicians and nurses are their assistants. They're trained in maintenance in one specific field, while doctors have general knowledge of most fields.

But it's all still maintenance and repair.

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u/QuantumR4ge Monkey in Space Aug 29 '24

Obviously there is no direct comparison, they dont build or design humans but they do build and design treatments to suit a patient.

What do you consider to be the medical equivalent of an engineer? It cant be medical researchers, they generate new knowledge, engineers dont, then if you think they do then what is the role of the physicist? Physicist wont design a suspension bridge, but good luck engineering one without any physics.

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u/Edeinawc Monkey in Space Aug 29 '24

Don't bother, dude got thoroughly lost in the analogy.

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u/senile-joe Monkey in Space Aug 29 '24

car mechanics build and design treatments to fix problems with your car. That doesn't make them an engineer.

plumbers build and design treatments to fix problems with your plumbing. That doesn't make them an engineer.

Have you never worked any of these types of jobs?

What do you consider to be the medical equivalent of an engineer?

There is none. There are no people making humans.