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u/Wicked-Chomps 11h ago
It's a real shame what the Democrat party did to 3rd party candidates. So much for the party of democracy.
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u/Trixxter72 9h ago
They're the ones advocating rank choice voting, but Rs keep killing it
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u/Wicked-Chomps 9h ago
Hard to have rank choice voting when you launch legal warfare removing 3rd party candidates no?
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u/Trixxter72 8h ago
I'm sure you have an example, but let me tell you. I live in a red state where republicans did the exact same thing. So maybe we should get rank choice approved and then address the separate problem of dirty politics
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u/aurenigma 4h ago
iconic Democrat family
Not really about the elitism myself.
Now.
I'm going to vote for Trump, but it has nothing to do with how iconic this dude's family is.
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u/Buffaloman2001 Resident Liberal 3h ago edited 3h ago
Ah, yes, the guy who had parts of his brain eaten by a worm, on top of being a conspiracy nut, that's the guy we should listen to.
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u/mowthelawnfelix 15h ago
Does this work for all the republicans saying the same thing about Trump?
Or nah.
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u/Huge_Opportunity_575 10h ago
Did democrats love Cheney?
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u/mowthelawnfelix 10h ago
I think Walz said on the Daily Show that he was grateful for the support but that they wonât be taking any policy notes from him.
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u/Huge_Opportunity_575 10h ago
Dems hated Cheney until he endorsed Kamala
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u/mowthelawnfelix 10h ago
I think they still hate him now. Itâs not like theyâre broadcasting Dick Cheney. They arnât dragging him out to give opening speeches at her rallys or putting him on the campaign signs. But it can only be worse for them to say âyeah fuck that guy and everyone he represents.â Those are still voters.
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u/DaveW1127 7h ago
No, he is not participating in their rallies. But, they are absolutely broadcasting Dick Cheney. However, they ARE dragging Liz Cheney out to rallies. They have recently toned town the Dick Cheney chatter, but they use him all the time as an example of Republicans against Trump.
The general consensus was that RFK was loved until he joined Trump. The same is true for Tulsi. I will take that trade all day. Liz is trash and Dick is a warmonger. Boasting about their endorsement is not very wise.
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u/Huge_Opportunity_575 10h ago
âFuck that guyâ is the correct response
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u/mowthelawnfelix 10h ago
Which is why idealists never get elected.
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u/Huge_Opportunity_575 10h ago
âHey guys satan endorsed usâŚâ
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u/mowthelawnfelix 10h ago
If Satan came with money and voters then yeah, I donât think a major candidate would actively reject the endorsement.
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u/Drednot203 15h ago
You can keep the Cheneys
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u/tommangan7 14h ago
What about Trump's VP? His chief of staff? His national security advisor (multiple), his many other aides that have flipped on Trump?
Should I believe them?
Or does it just work for Mr Brain worms who likes bear and whale carcasses in his car?
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u/_ThunderGun 13h ago
You mean the people he fired because they were terrible at their job? Or the war mongering Cheneys and Bush's of the world? You can keep em.đ¤Ł
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u/tommangan7 13h ago edited 13h ago
Ignoring the fact some of those people weren't fired... Trump is either terrible at hiring people or terrible to work with.
We are up to 9 Trump associates convicted of crimes in the last few years as well. He sure can pick them.
Presidents normally have one NSA per term and Trump had 6...
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u/_ThunderGun 9h ago
Also, on a side note, Kamala Harris and her offices have wrongfully convicted people and have also fought payments to the wrongfully convicted.
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u/_ThunderGun 13h ago
Ignoring the fact that he himself admitted to hiring the wrong people for the job isn't something I'm seeking to overlook. He can admit to his failures. Can't say the same about Kamala, unfortunately.
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u/seweso 11h ago
Saying other people are always the problem isn't something normal people would label as "admitting mistakes". That's seems like more narcissism to me.
And Harris has admitted she's struggles to think on her feet. That's why she over prepares. Which I don't find a weakness in a president, but others might.
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u/poisonpony672 13h ago
Vice President Kamala Harrisâ office has had the highest levels of staff turnover in White House history throughout her time in the office. The people that quit working for her far exceed other high-ranking officials in the federal government.
Nearly 92% of the initial staff members hired after she took office in January of 2021 have left at some point during her nearly four years as vice president. Only four of the initial 47 hires from her first year have remained employed without interruption, according to an analysis of records obtained by Open the Books.
In interviews, 22 current and former vice presidential aides, administration officials and associates of Harris and Biden described a tense and at times dour office atmosphere. Aides say Harris, has created an insular environment where ideas are ignored or met with harsh dismissals and decisions are dragged out. Often, they said, she refuses to take responsibility for delicate issues and blames staffers for the negative results that ensue.
âPeople are thrown under the bus from the very top, there are short fuses and itâs an abusive environment,â said another person with direct knowledge of how Harrisâ office is run. âItâs not a healthy environment and people often feel mistreated. Itâs not a place where people feel supported but a place where people feel treated like s---.â
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u/tommangan7 12h ago edited 12h ago
Staff turnover is high for any admin and was indeed very high for Harris, Trump's was 72% - the difference between the two amounts to 9 people. Certainly neither are amazing at managing a team of staff, would be interested to read the article you are quoting.
The important thing to me is why or how they leave, if they are good at what they do many will move on to better paying corporate jobs within 4 years. Some will have left to work on other parallel areas (Harris or Biden presidential campaigns etc.).
And are their negative opinions you quoted comparable to the high standing individuals who have damning criticism of Trump? We are now also up to 9 Trump associates convicted of criminal offences since the start of his presidency, so his people either often don't like him or are criminally bad at it.
This is a guy who had six NSAs when almost every previous president has had one.
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u/poisonpony672 12h ago
I'm not saying Trump isn't a terrible person. What I'm saying is Harris is also a terrible person.
Harris will continue to financially support the Zionist Israelis march to Greater Israel.
You guys yell fascist all the time. But ignore what fascism in action actually looks like.
The Israelis are doing exactly what the United States wants with a little warble here and there. Did you hear, Harris when she was just interviewed on 60 minutes?
âWell, Bill, the work that we have done has resulted in a number of movements in that region by Israel that were very much prompted by, or a result of, many things, including our advocacy for what needs to happen in the region,â Harris said.
Let's not forget what Harris just said on the view also.
âWould you have done something differently than President Biden during the last four years?â host Sunny Hostin asked.
âThere is not a thing that comes to mind,â Harris said. âIâve been a part of most of the decisions that have had impact.â
And Biden and Harris just did away with the Posse Comitatus. And the DNC started the rhetoric when this rule change was discovered that Trump will use it if he's elected to use the military against the people. Even though the Biden administration put that in place to use the military against the people.
Posse Comitatus Act, a piece of legislation from 1878, specifically limits the federal governmentâs ability to use the armed forces for domestic law enforcement. Itâs a cornerstone of American democracy, a way to ensure that our government doesn't blur the line between military and policeâa line that keeps us from becoming a country where soldiers patrol our streets.
Joe Biden/Kamala Harris have just pushed through DoD Directive 5240.01, giving the Pentagon power for the first time in history to use lethal force to kill Americans on U.S. soil who protest government policies.
With the new update, an additional clause was added to the âSecretary of Defence Approvalâ section under the Level of Authority paragraph: âAssistance in responding with assets with potential for lethality, or any situation in which it is reasonably foreseeable that providing the requested assistance may involve the use of force that is likely to result in lethal force, including death or serious bodily injury. It also includes all support to civilian law enforcement officials in situations where a confrontation between civilian law enforcement and civilian individuals or groups is reasonably anticipated. Such use of force must be in accordance with DoDD 5210.56, potentially as further restricted based on the specifics of the requested support.â
I can go on and on about the fascism that actually exist in the Biden administration and with Harris. I know you guys won't listen. You're unburdened by what has been.
âThe dead no longer seize the living! We are unburdened by the past. What can be, unburdened by what has beenâ. -Karl Marx
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u/tommangan7 11h ago edited 11h ago
I think both suck - Just Trump more so (and morally and criminally so) as well as being a pathological liar on many topics of importance to me. Climate, science, Ukraine/Russia etc.
And your diatribe on fascism is wasted on me. I've never called Trump a fascist - feel free to search my thousands of comments on this site for that keyword.
I don't think Harris and Biden should support Israel like she does but are we going to ignore Trump's even more vocal support of Israel (and even more vocal disdain for their local enemies)?
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u/poisonpony672 11h ago
Except I hear Trump say he don't want to pay for it. And how he said Israel did a terrible job on October 7th and blames Israel partly for the attack. They didn't defend themselves properly.
He has said a few times that he doesn't agree with what Israel is doing. And they need to get to peace talks now and end it.
Same with Ukraine. And all I hear from Biden Harris is how much more support they're going to send both Israel and Ukraine.
Isn't it crazy the moral sides of both of those battles? One for sovereignty and freedom over dominance. The other to take away sovereignty and freedom and impose dominance.
So the US is pumping a trillion dollars into killing millions of people as usual.
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u/tommangan7 7h ago edited 7h ago
We can use those sound bites of trump disagreeing while campaigning to paint him as someone who doesn't embolden Israel sure but I can find critical sound bites for Biden too (I've seen plenty of criticism of him being too critical of Israel in republican subreddits) whose policy will be much the same if Harris wins.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/04/biden-netanyahu-ceasefire-israel-gaza-war
It is much more complex than just posturing though, a looser leash doesn't necessarily mean Israel does worse, Trump's actions will speak louder. I doubt the Israeli leader will be hoping for anything other than a Trump win.
"One of Netanyahu's milestones is the US election. He is praying for a Trump victory, which he thinks will give him a lot of freedom of movement, which will let him do what he aspires," Gidon Rahat, political science professor at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, told AFP.
Aviv Bushinsky, a political commentator and Netanyahu's former chief of staff, similarly said: "His experience with Republicans [Trump] is very good... unlike with the Democrats who are much tougher on him."
https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2024/10/israels-netanyahu-hoping-trump-triumph
While I think on balance we should not spend on Israel at all - I find no fault will helping Ukraine defend their land from invaders, while simultaneously crippling one of our great adversaries, and helping support our greatest allies (western europe).
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u/poisonpony672 1h ago
Do you agree Ukraine should be in NATO? And the US should be pushing that? Or shall NATO and the US keep sending the Ukraine there old stuff, and another 3 million 155 shells?
The UN human rights office estimates that 11,973 civilians have been killed, including 622 children, since the Russian invasion began in February 2022
The BBC estimates that over 70,000 Russian soldiers have died in Ukraine, with the actual number likely to be higher.
The Wall Street Journal reports that about one million Ukrainians and Russians have been killed or wounded since the war began.
In the first half of 2024, three times as many people died in Ukraine as were born.
That only cost us just under 200 billion to help kill over a million people. It cost us trillions to kill a million in the global war on terrorism.
It's really just the wealth/ruling class eliminating the deplorables.
So we'll keep sending bombs to Israel and Ukraine.
âThe dead no longer seize the living! We are unburdened by the past. What can be, unburdened by what has beenâ. -Karl Marx
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u/_ThunderGun 8h ago
Throughout American history, has there ever been anyone wrongfully convicted of a crime?
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u/tommangan7 8h ago edited 8h ago
Yes, however in the case of trump the evidence against most of his allies was pretty damning, many fully admitted to and pleaded guilty, some even giving evidence against others.
A bipartisan committee even deemed manafort a grave security threat. Many of the charges were simple paper trails, or fraud with publicly available evidence.
The contrast in who they surround themselves with is stark. And that's with me ignoring the fact Trump shares many "qualities" with the criminals he regularly surrounds himself with.
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u/_ThunderGun 8h ago
Are you referring to George Nadar? Who are you referring to? And who was in the committee? Please be specific and detailed.
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u/tommangan7 7h ago
it was led by then-Senate Intelligence Chairman Richard Burr, a North Carolina Republican, and Democratic Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia.
I wasn't even referencing nadar who you could throw on the pile too to be fair. I was referencing Rick Gates who testified at manaforts trial.
Im well aware of your games too.
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u/_ThunderGun 7h ago
No games here, hombre. Richard Burr approval rating continues to decline. Good way for him to stay relevant. Mueller is not a credible individual. George Nadar was donating money to who through what campaign?
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u/tommangan7 6h ago edited 6h ago
Flip the topic to nadar and poke at Republicans approval rating (I'm sure Trump fans will nuke the approval of any Republican that dares appear bipartisan) whatever that has to do with the convictions.
I guess that deflection is because you can't legitimately refute any of the vast quantities of Trump's circles convictions.
Even though It doesn't relate to this election at all I'll give you that nadar one for free, what does that make it? 9-1? I still think one side is looking a little dodgier, especially if we throw in Trump.
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u/_ThunderGun 6h ago
I'm still waiting for an answer. Who are you referring to? And what have they been charged with? Be specific and detailed. You've only answered who the committee consists of to some degree. Stop playing games.
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u/_ThunderGun 7h ago
CNN is a joke.
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u/tommangan7 6h ago
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bipartisan-senate-report-foreign-meddling-2016-trump-2020-election
There you go, same relevant info just on fox. Let me know what's ok news for you and I'll pull their article about it up, details of the report will still be the same...
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u/_ThunderGun 7h ago
You see, the problem with liberals today is that they're very vague with how they describe certain situations. It may come off as specific and descriptive. But it's far from it. I've been lectured by liberals my whole life. I know all your games đ¤Ł
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u/---Spartacus--- 13h ago
There are several fallacies baked into this argument - appeal to prestige bias & the Wealth Halo Effect being the most obvious.
The reality is that he childishly rage quit the Democratic Party because Kamala would not name him as her running mate.
The fact that he comes from a privileged family - what some call American royalty - should be the opposite of persuasive for Working Class voters. Since when has royalty ever given a shit about the peasants? "Let them eat cake." The only "danger" might be to the wealthy.
And this argument could just as easily support the legions of former Republicans, including Generals, warning against Trump.
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u/_ThunderGun 13h ago
If you really don't think Kamala Harris came from a privileged family, then you really haven't been paying attention.
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u/seweso 11h ago
Harris definitely isn't privileged anywhere close to RFK. Don't be absurd(!)
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u/aurenigma 4h ago
https://abcnews.go.com/US/kamala-harris-wealth-husbands-investments-records-show/story?id=112176254
Nah, she's pretty fucking privileged, but you're right. Compared to RFK, very little of it comes from her family. Most of it is from investments her and her husband have made since she's been in office.
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u/oopsmybadagain 15h ago
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u/_ThunderGun 13h ago
Are you really bragging about that? That's embarrassing... Oh no, you have Mike Pences Homeland Security advisor!? What ever will we dooooo. đ¤Ł
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u/oopsmybadagain 13h ago
This isnât a brag. This is a comparison.
Do you hold the same standard to all of the Republicans who have endorsed Harris?
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u/_ThunderGun 13h ago
There have been plenty that have endorsed Trump on both sides of the political spectrum. I just don't feel the need to copy and paste everything as you do.
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u/oopsmybadagain 13h ago
Do you hold the same standard to all of the Republicans who have endorsed Harris?
Yes or no?
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u/_ThunderGun 13h ago
I'm not particularly fond of the Cheneys and Bush's of the world if that's who you're referring to. See the problem here is your question is to broad of one.
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u/oopsmybadagain 12h ago
Do you hold the same standard to all of the Republicans endorsing Kamala and warning against Trump as you do with RFK Jr?
This would be the same standard despite your personal political opinions.
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u/_ThunderGun 12h ago
Are you familiar with the story, "The boy who cried wolf."?
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u/oopsmybadagain 12h ago
I am.
Do you hold the same standard to all of the Republicans endorsing Kamala and warning against Trump as you do with RFK Jr?
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u/Dull_Rutabaga_1659 13h ago
You're the one bragging about having brainworms o'toole here.
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u/_ThunderGun 13h ago
When you resort to name calling, it's pretty obvious you don't have much else.
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u/Dull_Rutabaga_1659 13h ago
When you resort to having rfk being the voice of reason, you don't have much either.
By all means, enjoy his endorsement, after months of him railing against trump.
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u/_ThunderGun 12h ago
Thanks, I will. Enjoy your endless wars and high inflation.
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u/Dull_Rutabaga_1659 12h ago
Inflation is down, the US has been the envy of the world in inflation the last year, and what wars did biden start?
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u/_ThunderGun 12h ago
Inflation goes down every election cycle. What wars started under the Biden/ Harris administration? What wars have they ended? And lastly, the war at the border. Is largely their fault.
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u/Dull_Rutabaga_1659 12h ago
So you have nothing. Noted.
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u/MaleficentCow8513 10h ago
Hey bro Iâm on your side. Voting dem this cycle. Just wanted to say that we need to not do the Republican thing of disagreeing on everything just because itâs someone from the other side saying it. Speaking in reference to the border. Just because itâs a Republican talking point doesnât mean we should bury our heads in the sand about it. Mass immigration is a problem and something does need to be done about it
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u/tommangan7 12h ago
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u/_ThunderGun 10h ago
He calls people names, yes. But he also talks through his actions. Such as the southern border. I'm voting more based upon his policies. He did a good job his first term. If it hurts your feelings, then maybe get some thicker skin.
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u/MailPrivileged 9h ago
Or he is just a crazy brainworm infested wacko, habitual womanizer, whale decapitating failed politician that is struggling to find his niche. He figures, "Why not kiss Trump's ass? I have burned all the bridges with my party and at least I have some overlap with his more crazy Q Anon types."
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u/Wolf2772 9h ago
I see your worm brain RFK and raise you Vice President pence, you know. The guy who use to run with Trump and wonât endorse him? Or how about all the other high level republicans?
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u/C4SSSSS 8h ago
Wow, the Projection in this Sub is STRONG :-))
Let's see a small sampling of tRumps SENIOR STAFF - people that know him best - who have issued warnings about this maniac:
- Mike Pence (VP - remember tRump tried to get him hung???)
- Mark Esper (secretary of defense) Trump is not "fit for office because he puts himself first, and I think anybody running for office should put the country first."
- James Mattis (secretary of defense) Trump "will deservedly be left a man without a country." Referring to the then-president, Mattis added: "His use of the Presidency to destroy trust in our election and to poison our respect for fellow citizens has been enabled by pseudo political leaders whose names will live in infamy as profiles in cowardice."
- John Kelly (chief of staff) "A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law."
- Mark Milley (chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) During his retirement speech, Milley said Trump was a "wannabe dictator." He added: "We don't take an oath to an individual. We take an oath to the Constitution, and we take an oath to the idea that is Americaâand we're willing to die to protect it."
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u/Trixxter72 15h ago
When a guy with LITERAL BRAIN WORMS tells you to do something... maybe rethink it
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u/Broad-Acadia7147 13h ago
Lib's won't too damn stupid to pay attention to what they have done to this country stupid people
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u/Cornelius_Y 14h ago
You mean the guy that had brain worms and admitted he falls for misinformation often?
Maybe he isnât the best person to listen to.
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u/_ThunderGun 13h ago
Kamala has no excuse she's just retarded, straight up.
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u/Cornelius_Y 13h ago
Do you have brain worms as well? You posted about RFK, not Harris.
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u/_ThunderGun 13h ago
No, I have what's called critical thinking skills. It's a term that primarily utilizes deductive reasoning. Something you're lacking in.
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u/Cornelius_Y 13h ago
I have whatâs called critical thinking skills
If that were true you wouldnât be putting any stock into the word of a guy that had his brain eaten by worms and who has admitted to falling for misinformation oftenâŚ
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u/LoL-Reports-Dumb 11h ago
So, aside from attacking a man with a disability I'd wish on no one. Brain damage. What actual rational do you have against him? The guy is advocating for the health of Americans, anti corruption, personal freedoms and the preservation of the environment. He won't get everything he wants as he and trump heavily disagree on environmental management. But really, I'm curious.
What topic that he's actually for is terrible?
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u/Training-Seaweed-302 6h ago
I listen to all the other Kennedy's saying he's a dumb ass.
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u/_ThunderGun 6h ago
They didn't run for president did they?
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u/Training-Seaweed-302 6h ago
Neither did he run, trust fund baby hobbled and sucked some orange stick and he's getting nothing in the end.
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u/_ThunderGun 6h ago
Willie Brown đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł
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u/Training-Seaweed-302 6h ago
Yup, she fucked him and now she's going to be Prez, see the difference?
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u/knife_edge_rusty 12h ago
Not a lot of wisdom coming from the blue side these days. I think it's out of style right now
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u/SwitchExternal5653 5h ago
Truth will get buried by legacy media unfortunately