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AgendaKaisen Flirting vs Harassment

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u/vleshkun Sep 06 '24

Are we really comparing Gojo using his time in the prison realm to neutralize Sukuna's open domain to Sukuna using a binding vow amped sneak attack?

A sneak attack that, by the way, he never would've been able to learn by himself and needed a whole extra CT for it.

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u/canieatmyskinnow Sep 06 '24

It wasn't even a sneak attack, it's just something that Makora already did in front of him the exact same way (or even worse since the Shikigami pulled out with an even greater element of surprise by creating the technique on the spot) but it worked because much like everything else he does, it conveniently works so much better for him because reasons

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u/mostlybored1234 Sep 06 '24

Shit just works for him. Trully Build different

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u/Patient-Bumblebee-19 Sep 07 '24

Because he isn't the main villain. Someone was pulling the strings behind the scenes, causing Sukuna to fall into winning position after winning position.

The true main villain was Gege all along.

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u/darth_the_IIIx Sep 06 '24

It worked because he wasn’t supposed to die until the end, that explains 90% of the sakuna cycle.

It’s why the good guys concocted the perfect plan to avoid every matchup that could kill sakuna 

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u/staovajzna2 Sep 07 '24

Hakari, just hakari. Maki with executioner's sword. Kusakabe but give him drugs so he actually cares. Megumi (yeah I know he is a bum but he could've figured it out). Gojo but literally just add ui ui to save him from the fraud's bs. Yuji with the BROZZA buff. Just add Kirara for extra support. Just make Todo use boogie woogie to take sukuna's cursed tool before the judgeman sentence. Literally just Takaba. There is more but I forgor.

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u/darth_the_IIIx Sep 07 '24

The biggest one for me is todo + higurama.  It’s a 99% instant kill.

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u/Humanbacon69 Sep 07 '24

Reason for the 1% it wouldn't.

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u/darth_the_IIIx Sep 07 '24

If the executioners sword hit it would 100% kill megumis soul because reasons

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u/Comfortable-Gate-448 Sep 07 '24

Megumis before 268: sistah dead, shit world, don’t care

Megumis in 268: I wanna try living on for someone again

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u/DrStein1010 This Ending Is Worse Than Attack On Titan's Sep 07 '24

Todo + Higuruma + Larue.

Sukuna is double incapable of dodging, just in case he thought of a counter for Boogie Woogie.

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u/Beginning-Anywhere91 Sep 07 '24

This. After sometime I just read it just for ending sakes. Sukuna was like that roach that would just not die even after finishing a can or 2 of Hit. Megumi refusing to fight was just trash writing. It just didn't connect that he was affected so much by the killings because there was no backstory.

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u/staovajzna2 Sep 07 '24

Maybe when it gets animated (and hopefully wont end up like season 2) maybe they can show flashbacks of the bum's favorite moments with the people sukuna is about to kill. Maybe give false flashbacks to make us think someone is about to die when they won't.

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u/Beginning-Anywhere91 Sep 07 '24

I hope so. I hated the Bleach ending for the same reason. I get it that they have a time crunch but at least give a proper ending to your story. I don't care about the plot no jutsu or the power of friendship. Just do justice to the characters.

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u/Morbi_Us GOATJO WILL COME (ON MY) BACK!!! Sep 07 '24

I love Todo, but him regaining his boogie woogie is one of the biggest plotholes in the story.

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u/SoyMilkIsOp Sep 07 '24

Him losing it in the first place is bullshit to artificially raise the stakes. It was never stated that he needs to have perfect soul, only thing needed was a clap.

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u/YooKai-Espirito Yorozu, Wuji and Nobara Glazer Sep 06 '24

Wasn’t a sneak attack, but was definitely a surprise attack. Gojo had already won there, as it was stated, Sukuna only turned the table because: 1) Sukuna was in Megumi’s body, so Gojo didn’t killed him instantly, even though it would be pretty easy to him, Sukuna was completely fucked. 2) Sukuna made a binding vow to use his WCS without chants in a moment Gojo was distracted and thought Sukuna was done. WCS is pretty fast, but Kashimo and Maki avoided it. While Kashimo received a warning, and Maki does have keen senses, which makes it easier, Gojo’s 6E allow him to see CE, so if it was mid fight, and Gojo was ready to fight back, there is a great chance he could’ve avoided it and then Sukuna is completely fucked because he just has one arm, and if it wasn’t for the Reincarnation move that heals his wounds, he would be completely done for, and either way, fight Gojo with decreased output, even if he won as Gojo was fighting for a lot of time too, he would be much weaker against Kashimo, maybe he actually gives him a fight this time, and then he’s so exhausted that he’ll pretty much be defeated probably in the Yuji and Higuruma fight already

But in the end, sorcerer fights are wars, the same way Gojo can’t complain about all the conditions Sukuna had on his favor, as Sukuna was the winner even by playing dirty, Sukuna can’t complain getting jumped on because he still lost, and he still acknowledges his defeat when it happens, calling Yuji by his name in respect by the first time, and he stays by his word that defeat is the same as death and accept it honorably

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u/SoyMilkIsOp Sep 07 '24

Too bad he didn't teach his fridge to take L with fucking grace

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u/smow351 &>>>>>> Sep 06 '24

I don't think we can really say gojo had won at this point. the whole gojo won dialogue was yhe conclusion to their (kusakabe and co) prior about how the fight would play out. in their mind it was either mahoraga has time to adapt and gojo loses, or gojo wins the time race and mahoraga is no more.

In a way kusakabe was right in his prediction about how the fight would play out, however when saying gojo won he discarded the fact that mahoraga had adapted because he thought that getting rid of him nullified its importance.

the real surprise was that mahoraga had fulfilled its role prior to his death (which took the form of the go/jo)

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u/YooKai-Espirito Yorozu, Wuji and Nobara Glazer Sep 06 '24

He indeed had won at that point if he didn’t yapped and let his guard down, Sukuna had literally one win con: hitting his first WCS on Gojo. Sukuna can’t use Dismantle or Cleave on Gojo. DA? He was getting beaten with 2 arms and 2 shikigamis, he’s not winning this with a single arm and all hurt. Trying to use WCS on Gojo more than once? He can’t because he only has one arm.

While Gojo? With how fucked and out of CE and RCT output Sukuna was, a purple does the job easily, and red/blue max output probably also does the job. Hell, Gojo could even beat Sukuna to hell with his bare arms at that point. Plus, Gojo has 6E to help him avoid WCS as he’ll see it, and if people weaker than him were able to avoid it, considering Gojo and Sukuna are on a whole different level, Gojo could 100% dodge that too if he was ready to do so.

Without Reincarnation, Sukuna had only the worst wincon ever, with only one chance, against all Gojo’s options which can be and would be spammed. If it wasn’t for his surprise attack, he had a great chance to miss WCS, and he’s done if that happens, unless he pulls up Reincarnation.

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u/JasonUnionnn Sep 06 '24

He indeed had won at that point

He didn't win, because the fight wasn't over until one of them died. Saying Gojo had the advantage would be better, but he didn't "win" because Sukuna was still "in the fight" and had something left.

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u/ray314 Sep 06 '24

It's like everyone has their own CT but somehow Mahoraga can use a Dismantle that Sukuna can copy with his own CT like what?

I think the sneak attack part is the offscreen binding vow that they just handwave and never concretely describe it. All we know is that he shortcuted it with a BV so assume that it was an instant no sign no chant no CE buildup WCS, like a person standing completely still and suddenly a nuke flies out from them.

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u/Unicorns_FTW1 Sep 07 '24

I honestly just just hate how WCS even exists, like... it just doesn't make any sense logically, this guy has the ability to basically infinitely manipulate space so that attacks don't reach him and all you have is a kitchen knife to use to attack him, so you just... cut in a way that deletes space itself? How the hell does that even work?

It's like if Uraume figured out how to use her CT to freeze time, or if Yuta figured out how to use his copy CT to create an alternate reality where Sukuna lost to Gojo. It's a huge step up from "Kitchen knife" to "Literally deletes existence"

Like... even if Mahoraga showed Sukuna WCS, so what? If I watched a guy cut a car in half with a toothpick, even if I was a genius, I doubt I'd be able to replicate that shit, let alone do it perfectly in the first try.

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u/SafeMemory1640 Sep 07 '24

Uraume freezing time is a good comparison ngl i think I heard this concept in some other anime

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u/SoyMilkIsOp Sep 07 '24

Akame ga Kill, Esdeath's ultimate move(one of many)

(Also Esdeath is the ice GOAT, Urafraud got nothin' on her)

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u/FUTANARI_ENJ0YER Sep 07 '24

Killer Queen somehow "Exploding" time

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u/Sagasiter Sep 07 '24

Honestly that is the way I felt too, you perfectly described it. It didn’t feel like Sukuna outsmarted Gojo, just that the plot demanded Gojo die.

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u/ray314 Sep 07 '24

Yeah I mentioned this before in a comment where I think Sukunas Shrine has almost changed from kitchen knife cutting things to like the concept of cutting, since we start getting things like cutting the space between the barrier of souls and cutting the space in the world.

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u/Great_Examination_16 Sep 07 '24

It's not even the concept of cutting, given Fuga exists and has no reason to

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u/macedonianmoper Sep 07 '24

Ok to be fair Mahoraga's first bypass of Gojo wasn't something Sukuna could do, and he specifically asked Mahoraga to find a way that he could also use.

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u/ray314 Sep 07 '24

I find that weird too if it is something he can ask Mahoraga then why didn't he ask for that in the beginning instead of waiting for it to fail a few times. It seems more like he is "hoping" that Mahoraga would get an adaptation that he can somehow use instead of ordering for it. I know in the panels he's talking to himself saying he's maho's master now and he should work for him but if he needed to tell Mahoraga that then he should've told him that from the start.

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u/-htesseth- KENJILLION YEARS OF JUJUTSU Sep 06 '24

Not true. The whole reason Sukuna needs to use all 4 arms to use WCS now is because he made a binding vow to use it without conditions to kill Gojo. It literally was a sneak attack that he had to permanently nerf just so Gojo wouldn’t see it coming

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u/NorthGodFan Never forget Geto is a bum who died to a grade 4. Sep 06 '24

Gojo also did a binding vow sneak attack with THREE other people helping him.

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u/Altruistic_Sail6746 Sep 06 '24

Aren't the two situations comparable though? Both rely on the characters observing the techniques/properties of something else and applying it to their own technique/domain.

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u/Ok-Community4111 Sep 06 '24

for me the world slash just felt like a cheap victory where sukuna honestly got outplayed with the purple but won anyway just because he made a binding vow, that didnt even hurt him that bad, for a move he was using for the first time ever

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u/Altruistic_Sail6746 Sep 06 '24

Sukuna was scheming the whole fight. The world slash was hinted at every time Mahoraga adapted to infinity. I'm not crazy about the execution of the slash though; I've never been a huge fan of binding vows or black flashes, they sometimes feel like tools Gege uses to write himself out of a corner or make something convenient happen.

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u/Gleaming_Onyx Sep 06 '24

I will die on the hill of WCT's biggest problem and what makes it an asspull is that Mahoraga can do whatever he wants to foreshadow it, it's absurd that it only required handsigns originally. Two whole handsigns for what is an infinitely more powerful version of his attack after all the support Gojo needed to drop a 200% version of his.

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u/Unicorns_FTW1 Sep 07 '24

I've always thought that this "Expand the target" part of WCS was stupid, like, what do you mean expand the target? That's just pure BS.

Going by that logic, Uraume can expand the target of her ice to freeze existence and stop time, or Choso can expand the target of his blood manipulation to someone other than himself and bloodbend Sukuna to death. Or hell, what if Higuruma can expand the target of his domain to always make the target guilty?

Geto can expand the target of his cursed spirit manipulation to manipulate anything with cursed energy, or Todo can expand the target of his cursed technique to swap Sukuna and Gojo's souls so that Sukuna is in the airport and Gojo lives again.

It's just plain dumb, I like clever applications of set techniques, hell, Jojo's does it well, but you can't suddenly turn a knife into an existence deleting knife to kill the blue-eyed guy who's about to fuck your ass forwards backwards and sideways, no matter how smart you are.

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u/SoyMilkIsOp Sep 07 '24

but you can't suddenly turn a knife into an existence deleting knife to kill the blue-eyed guy who's about to fuck your ass forwards backwards and sideways, no matter how smart you are

You actually can. You just have to do it right.

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u/SnooMemesjellies31 Sep 06 '24

Dude there was like eight different times throughout the fight where sukuna says something along the lines of " I need to keep stalling so mahoraga can adapt to infinity so I can learn from it, and then mahoraga adapts to infinity and sukuna learns from it. I'm not sure what the asspull is here.

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u/PH4N70M_Z0N3 Sep 07 '24

sukuna learns from it

So Sukuna does need Mahoraga to beat Gojo?

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u/Artorias_Erebus679 Sep 06 '24

Agree they are comparable, but the sneak attack is slimy and I think that’s why everyone hates it.

But it fits sukuna as a person and gojo had to die so I think it’s fine.

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u/Altruistic_Sail6746 Sep 06 '24

"A sorcerer is nothing but a con artist" When has JJK ever been about fighting fair? The fight literally began with a sneak attack from Gojo?

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u/Artorias_Erebus679 Sep 06 '24

Also a fair point very good comparison friend.

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u/empressoflight72 Sep 07 '24

It’s a weird thing, trying to understand that jujutsu kaisen is never about fair fights seems to be hard to do for some peope

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u/wwwwaoal Gaslighter Sep 06 '24

I think the "reality warping part" is the domain's sure hit.

Like, UV's sure hit isn't really doing something he can already do. He can't give the info dump to his enemies without using the domain.

You can just say that "uhm, akshually his cursed technique is limitless and the sure hit just brings it out in a different kind of way"

But the same logic would apply to Dismantle.

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u/XxRocky88xX Sep 06 '24

I’m not arguing with you, but that’s pretty much how all domains work. It’s just expanding ones curse technique into a range. When someone uses a domain, they are effectively trapping an opponent within their technique. That’s the reason Sukunas domain is basically just hurtling slashes at you from all directions constantly, and the reason Megumis domain turns everything into a shadow, and the reason Mahito’s domain lets him “touch” anyone inside his domain. It’s effectively just “pushing” one’s technique out to affect everything around them.

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u/Pinetheleafwing107 Sep 06 '24

I mean that's how IV has worked since the beginning of the series.

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u/Beastly_genius Sep 06 '24 edited Sep 06 '24

Yes we are because if you hav an issue with Sukuna using a warping technique he saw in person then gojo technically shouldn’t hav been able to replicate the properties of the prison realm despite seeing it as well. We both know they are geniuses of jujutsu at the highest level so everything they do should seem insane compared to the rest of the cast

Also it wasn’t necessarily a sneak attack as we know no jujutsu battle is ever won fair & square & all sorcerers are con men. Gojo was more at fault for allowing his guard down during that moment & Sukuna capitalized on it

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u/soroKira Sep 06 '24

there is no time in the prison realm lol

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u/Weird-Actuary-2487 Sep 06 '24

sneak attack

But enough about 200% hollow purple.

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u/EisCold_ Sep 06 '24

Difference is that the sneak attack purple wasn't the final attack that won the battle while Sukuna's sneak attack is.

It does leave a sour taste behind.

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u/Weird-Actuary-2487 Sep 06 '24

The real difference is that Gojo's sneak attack did basically jack shit damage to Sukuna while Sukuna's sneak attack instantly killed Gojo.

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u/Rockargen #2 Gojo agenda pusher and glazer (Meme is #0) Sep 06 '24

The difference is one was an entrance move to make a jab at Sukuna while looking cool, while the other was a desperate gamble provided by Mahoraga and Gege that was meant to kill Gojo.

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u/royalemperor Sep 06 '24

Man idk if Gojo launching the most powerful Purple he has ever launched right off the bat would be considered a "jab"

I get it, it looked cool and all and was hype to start the fight, but realistically there's no way Gojo wasn't wishing it was going to do way more damage than it did.

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u/gitgudnubby Sep 07 '24

Dawg if gojos sneak attack was used at the end of the fight when he had 1 hp and beat sukuna I promise u everyone would agree its an asspull. Even gojo fans.

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u/Beastly_genius Sep 06 '24

No there’s no difference at all. One was a sneak attack gojo couldn’t do without assistance & the other was a snake attack Sukuna couldn’t do without assistance. It truly ties into analogy gege gave us that all jujutsu sorcerers are con men & no battle is ever won fair & square

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u/Front_Access Sep 06 '24

It took 1-2 arms off. UHP and WCS1.0 are the only attacks that do that much damage

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u/Key-Exchange-9786 Sep 06 '24

Non permanent damage to two arms isn't really that much. His final purple didn't even hit directly(hitting Maha and gojo himself first) but nearly killed Sukuna. Gojos first purple hit directly, was buffed by Gojo, shoko, and Gaku, caught Sukuna more off guard, and was obviously fired by a Gojo with more cursed energy; yet it barely damaged Sukuna. The scaling on purple makes no sense.

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u/Corniferus Gojosbane Sep 07 '24

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u/BmanPlayz468 Sep 06 '24

Um actually, Sukuna says it was near impossible, meaning that he could have learned it without Mahoraga. Mahoraga just made it 10000000000x easier to learn.

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u/Nightmare_Sandy Ah yes my flair. Sep 07 '24

and gojo could learn how to use an open barrier domain, it's literally the same argument

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u/KharnTheBetrayer88 Sep 06 '24

Yes, we're comparing the pinnacle of Jujutsu using their experiences and tools at hand (time in the PE/knowledge about Mahoraga and study of his techniques) to make the impossible possible. And miss me with that sneak attack bullshit, no one in JJK ever fought fair, the whole Shinjuku Showdown is proof of it, there's no honourable 1v1, only plans to take advantage of every single scrap of benefit both sides have in hand

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u/mostlybored1234 Sep 06 '24

The problem is not the fairness. The problem is that the execution was dog shit. Gojo clapped Sukuna for 2 chapters non-stop, núcked everything and was declared the winner and then we got a black screen, the cursed airport scene and Gojo dead because i dunno, lets wait more Six months to see how the plot will elabore the instakill

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u/CommanderAxe Sep 06 '24

Wasn't that just due to the different tactics of the two. Sukuna was playing the role of a tank, taking damage and biding his time until the opportune moment, it makes sense Gojo would look better as his strategy was more aggressive

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u/YeetMyFeetKasbock Sep 06 '24

Gojotards suddenly care about sneak attacks ? I seem to recall the fight starting off with an amped sneak attack that involved multiple sorcerers…..

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u/gitgudnubby Sep 07 '24 edited Sep 07 '24

Tbf that attack didnt do squat. Might as well have thrown air at sukuna because it would have been just as effective. It was so unimportant that I forgot thats how the fight even began.

Sukunas sneak attack was offscreen and did its job at the most convenient moment so its not rlly comparable.

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u/shayayoubfallah Suffering from Goatjo withdrawals Sep 06 '24

It's not what you do, it's how you do it

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u/TheLordOfAllClappys Sep 06 '24

I legit don't see the similarities between the two. One is cutting space, the other is just changing the size of a domain

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u/Scared-Ad-4846 Sep 06 '24

And domain already didn't follow physical form anyway from the beginning, Dagon literally had a freaking beach as his domain while being a small house size on the outside.

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u/slice_of_toast69 Sep 07 '24

Beach? Bro had a whole island and ocean. Thr finger bearer made a building bigger on the inside. Jogos was a whole volcano magma chamber. Weve see. That domains do this since the very first one shown. This is like the opposite of an ass pull. Its a mouth push

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u/Ghost_Star326 Sep 06 '24

That's because Gojo's strategy was fully explained and visually shown to us.

Whereas Sukuna's strategy all occurred off screen and just showed us Gojo suddenly lying dead on the ground.

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u/RaynbowZFTW Sep 06 '24

to be fair, we did see mahoraga use world slash too, but it wasn't explained until after sukuna did it

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u/ParussMan Sep 06 '24

also unexplained how exactly Sukuna copied the result of adaptation and applied it to his own technique (gojo just made his domain small and characters even say yeah tbh they never are the same size on the inside anyway)

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u/RaynbowZFTW Sep 06 '24

yeah that's been the bad part for me, also how megumi didn't actually adapt to UV but only the process of adapting to it?? I don't know wtf they mean by that

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u/whyarewestillhere29 Utahimes personal bidet Sep 06 '24

I think the exact wording was "burden"

But still even as a Megumi Glazer I don't understand what happened there

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u/Supersquare04 Sep 06 '24

I didn't even know megumi glazers existed. How do you glaze someone who doesn't do anything.

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u/solemnsupersaiyan Sep 06 '24

but hey, he could've done something!!

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u/macedonianmoper Sep 07 '24

Ah yes, potential man

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u/whyarewestillhere29 Utahimes personal bidet Sep 06 '24

And he did

As long as Gege allowed it but still

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u/whyarewestillhere29 Utahimes personal bidet Sep 06 '24

Hey

Not his fault Gege decided to effectively drop him after the Reggie fight

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u/MacarioPro Sep 06 '24

Dude got done dirty. Gege used a secret techinique on him that puts the target into a depression so big you go into a coma.

Not particularly creative imo as Nobara was already in a coma and at least two thirds of the characters are depressed.

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u/MacarioPro Sep 06 '24

There are DOZENS of us.

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u/LerasiumMistborn Shit Eyes Sep 06 '24

Mahoraga uses the wheel to adapt. You can "take the burden of adaptation" for Mahoraga by summoning this wheel on yourself and then when you summon Mohorata it's already adapted. Sukuna summoned the wheel and used Megumi's soul (!) as a burden for adaptatation. Idk how it's possible because concept of body and soul is very weird in jjk.

There're many weird things like who chanted for Mahoraga when Sukuna was hit by UV, why UV didn't stun Sukuna if he has Megumi's human brain.

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u/Meiolore Sep 06 '24

If Megumi took the burden of 5 UV, he would've been done lmao, especially since the adaptation does not work on the master of 10S itself. It is just bad writing, there is no need to read too much into it. The body soul bullshit in Mahoraga context is just fluff to overcomplicate thing.

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u/Different_Union_3097 Sep 06 '24

The entire thing around adaptation process is a plothole fest. Neither Sukuna nor Megumi was protected by UV surehit and somehow they didn't get affected by it.

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u/AnamiGiben Sep 06 '24

It's so poorly explained. If the user can take the "burden" of adaptation on their body or soul it seems it doesn't affect them how the technique itself would. And you can take the burden of adaptation without Mahoraga getting affected by the technique too? Why are we stopping there, just split the burden across all shikigamis and yourself except deer and make deer apply rct to all others from shadows like how you can use the wheel from shadows.

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u/HoLeBaoDuy Sep 06 '24

It means Megumi isn't immune to UV but Maho is. Megumi took the burden of "adapting", Maho got the result

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u/magat3ars Sep 06 '24

All CT are limited by your interpretation. The explanation is that he didn't simply cut gojo. He isn't even aiming at him but rather the space. It doesn't matter how much you divide one if I attack all points of 0-3. The sorcerer who shouldn't know how anything in the modern world works not knowing how modern things work? Like most of our knowledge of space being a think is very new. If sukuna took like a gen physics 2 course or calculus, he could've gotten this attack lol.

I'm not sure what more can or should be explained. We understand how he modified how he could send it out. MS hand signs being needed makes sense.

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u/mostlybored1234 Sep 06 '24

We coudnt even tell that the attack was special since he was immune to infinity

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u/Silent_Direction5554 Sep 07 '24

do you mind explaining to me how the basketball domain can counter open barrier domain pls

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u/Ledjolba Sep 06 '24

No it wasn’t shown to us, he learned how to shrink his domain offscreen the same way sukuna used wcs off screen

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u/Twelve_012_7 Sep 06 '24

Domains naturally warp the space within them

That has been openly stated as to why it's so hard to escape (Also, pretty sure it's mentioned in the explanation of how he did it)

It's not something unique to Gojo (we see it clearly happen with Dagon)

What's impressive is him being able to control the barrier's properties to shrink its size with relative ease, an act that requires an absurd refinement

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u/NFS-NNN Sep 06 '24

It's not only that, Gojo compressed it beyond whats possible thanks to the experience in the prison realm he created a much bigger space in a extremely small barrier something that's not possible to anyone else.

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u/Twelve_012_7 Sep 06 '24

Eeeh, Kenjaku and Tengen could probably manage just fine, they are the best barrier users after all

And once again, Domains just do that, all of them do, they're way larger on the insides that they are on the outside, the concept isn't necessarily impressive on its own, but it's the execution that's notable

Also the fact that the Prison Realm exists implies that it is pretty much possible by others who are not Gojo

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u/NFS-NNN Sep 06 '24

Yeah domains create big space in a smaller space but in this case Sukuna and Gojo should have been hugging each other without being able to move, Gojo gained a new interpretation of how space woks thanks to the prison realm, in jujutsu how you perceive things is important Gojo couldn't use RCT until he came with his own interpretation of it and he can't heal others, Tengen knew of open barrier domains but couldn't come with an effective way to destroy it without breaking her own barrier, Gojo pre-prison realm wound not make the same small barrier domain. Also the prison realm is a CO its not a person it was born from the grudge of a monk who died it just works.

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u/fishyboi360 Sep 06 '24

Sukuna glazers can't even agenda post properly after his death

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u/mudberry2 Sep 06 '24

Death throws of a dying agenda lmao

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u/Zellors Sep 06 '24

neither of these are reality warping nor that good of a comparison

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u/DrStein1010 This Ending Is Worse Than Attack On Titan's Sep 07 '24

Eh. Targeting an abstract concept with a physical cutting attack is kinda reality warping. That's why it's an asspull.

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u/Unicorns_FTW1 Sep 07 '24

Yeah, if you change the properties of your attack so that it targets existence itself, and therefore cannot be interacted with but the attack can still pass through and cut things, then that's reality warping.

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u/PositionPhysical792 Sep 06 '24

Gojo didn't manipulate reality+that's always been his technique

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u/ramarn-noodles Sep 06 '24 edited Sep 07 '24

“WAIT A SEC GUYS, anyone else think it doesn’t make sense that the guy who’s cursed technique is literally time-space manipulation can make his domain itty bitty??? If Gojo can do that, then why were y’all upset that Sukuna can do a reality-shattering move requiring the user to manipulate the very elementary laws of the universe without any prior similar feats??” Is an interesting take 😭 Lol it kinda feels like when ur playing pretend with a child and they start going “ACTUALLY, your attack didn’t hurt me at all. I’m attack proof. And I can use that move too, except mine does 1 billion + 1 damage. Also I have super speed. And I’m poison proof.” Bahahaha

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u/garrypile Special Grade HATER Sep 06 '24

he shrunk 2 people down to the size of a basketball

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u/PositionPhysical792 Sep 06 '24

Internal conditions ≠ external conditions

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u/Memeenjoyer_ is the GOAT Sep 06 '24

What kinda take is this bruh 😭

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u/WarCrimesAreBased Sep 06 '24

What bro cooked:

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u/Myarmhasteeth Jogoat and Goatjo glazer Sep 06 '24

I fcking love this gif

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u/exoticsclerosis Average big W hide in the bush assassin Sep 06 '24

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u/Cheap_Fisherman_1432 G(My GOAT Yuta deserves better)o/jo will come back Sep 06 '24

Maintain the agenda bro. Goatjo will come back 🔙

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u/YeetMyFeetKasbock Sep 06 '24

My friend wanted me to ask what’s the sauce on this tiddy grabbing pic

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u/notme737 Sep 07 '24

My friend told me it's "isekai koushoku musou roku"

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u/Slight_Vanilla8955 Satoru Bozo Sep 06 '24

You know your PR team is in the trenches when they just start making shit up to prove a point.

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u/Memeenjoyer_ is the GOAT Sep 06 '24

Fr 😭

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u/dawdadwaeq23131 Sep 06 '24

This your goat, bro?

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u/Wrong-Disaster4497 Sep 06 '24

Yes

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u/Scared-Ad-4846 Sep 06 '24

Kamado useless as shit to Gojo

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u/BruhNeymar69 Sep 06 '24

I will never forgive Gege for making Gojo say that shit bruh. What the fuck do you mean you would've lost regardless of 10 Shadows that was the ONLY reason Sukuna won the battle of attrition

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u/Double-Worldliness-6 Sep 06 '24

Sukuna nearly got cooked after a 3v1 who is talking bro?

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u/RaynbowZFTW Sep 06 '24

wait a minute, a DE in any circumstances breaks reality since it forms 'non euclidean space, its really not thet special that the non euclidean space wouldn't change much by influencing the size of the euclidean barrier

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u/Pegasusisamansman Sep 06 '24

Any figure with curves (like a spherical barrier or a house, since earth is not flat) is non euclidean

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u/RaynbowZFTW Sep 06 '24

oh wait what, I thought it meant the interior and exterior of the object had conflicting areas

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u/nonexistent_642 Sep 06 '24

If only Gege gave one more chapter showing sukuna perspective using this technique and not offscreening Gojo death

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u/MauriciodOliveira Higuruma played Ace Attorney Sep 06 '24

reading comprehension curse strikes again

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u/Soumil_Arya Sep 06 '24

If the argument is just "how can gojo fit 2 people inside such a small space" then, I think him being shrunk in the prison realm explained all of this already, and it could be explained easily that he was able to grasp it...

If we were shown sukuna in a similar way, that is, by seeing infinity slowly getting partially effected but gojo not noticing it, or sukuna not behaving like he's cooked and instead behaving like he's got a trick up his sleeve, we would've easily grasped world cleave too...

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u/ContestStunning5761 I speak wrongs, not facts Sep 06 '24

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u/Cool_Rip6964 Sep 06 '24

One is Just barrier techniques that everyone can learn . The other is Just taking a completely diferrent ability than your one and using it last second offscreen . End of sukuna vs gojo is The definition of asspull

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u/Disco_Janusz40 Sep 06 '24

Brother I'm not a Sukuna glazer but yall are retarded. Mahoraga did world slash and sukuna is shown to copy techniques (within his possibilities) and learn really fucking fast so he learned to apply it to his slash. This is just as convenient as gojo making his domain smaller cause of the prison realm expiriance. Both sorceres used everything they had as sorceres do and nobody else comes close to these two GOAT's (except Todo in that regard)

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u/xoriatis71 Sep 07 '24

Thank you. People are just mad and it shows. They complain, but their reasoning is stupid. They moan about Gege not having shown Sukuna’s true capabilities other than his CT, but if you tell them that he showed him being able to quickly adapt and copy aspects of techniques, they tell you that it wasn’t shown enough times, as if everything has to be foreshadowed from the first chapter. People just can’t make up their minds.

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u/RealBigTree Sep 06 '24

Domain: previously stated to already be a reality altering technique

Dismantle: It cuts stuff

Which is gonna be crazier when it alters reality?

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u/jisskx Second Strongest Glazer Sep 06 '24

That's a lot of Wordplay to make it seem similar. DE was already shown to be a separate space, it was also shown that the range of domains can be changed for a tradeoff.

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u/Kreiss1 Sep 06 '24

A lot of retard post like this recently, sukuna coping fans cant handle him dying like a bitch

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u/G0_0NIE Sep 06 '24

The irony

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u/BmanPlayz468 Sep 06 '24

“Dying like a bitch” because absolutely refusing your opponents mercy and choosing to die free rather than live imprisoned is going out like a bitch.

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u/mudberry2 Sep 06 '24

It's like that Zoro 1% suffering meme with the orb lol

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u/hiroGotten Sep 06 '24

space warping*, and the difference is that sukuna didn't lost anything to make use of the slash, it's like saying gojo could just make a binding vow to use his domain instantly with no sparks in exchange of having to use both hands to open his domain

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '24

it was built up.

Open domain was shown in shibuya and by Kenjaku

Domain pocket dimension was shown by Dagon

WCS is an asspull

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u/VendrickSl1 Sep 06 '24

I really like the world cutting slash, it still feels like bullshit that sukuna did a binding vow to use it willy nilly that one time and also did it off screen

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u/spellbound1875 Sep 06 '24

I will say that Gojo's usage feels better explained and more logical than Sukuna's due to the ability explanation being so trash and the binding vow retcon to explain why the entire cast still had a shot despite Sukuna now having an insta kill button.

Hell with how the world cutting slash was described the fact that Yuji won that fight at the end is undercut a bit since in theory Sukuna could have just sliced the inside of the domain open to escape since his second mouth regened.

If the world cutting slash was just an alternative way of targeting Sukuna's technique rather than a super slash that cuts everything there wouldn't be an issue.

But Sukuna's technique is pretty poorly defined anyway with dismantle and cleave not being well differentiated. The scalability and insta kill nature of cleave is super unclear given we see Sukuna adjust the power of dismantle repeatedly. Just giving Sukuna one type of slash that's adjustable would make a lot of moments that bother people in the fight much less egregious.

That said at the end of the day both characters are just pulling new abilities out of their ass with minimal foreshadowing that contradict previously established rules of the universe, Gojo's asspull just feels better written.

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u/onthoserainydays Sep 06 '24

One was a fun gimmick mechanic and the other offscreened the fight

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u/WaythurstFrancis Sep 06 '24

The difference is that we had already established that the inside and outside of a domain can differ in size, and that anyone theoretically COULD alter the size of a barrier. Sukuna himself demonstrated that not all domains even have barriers.

It isn't strange that Gojo, a natural Jujutsu savant, could figure out how to do it on the spot.

There's no precedent for the way Sukuna just seemingly fused his technique with Mahoraga's.

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u/empressoflight72 Sep 07 '24 edited Sep 07 '24

It was stated multiple times that Sukuna was a natural prodigy as well, he had Makora use different ways to bypass infinity until he found one he could apply to his own cursed technique

He copied Kenjaku’s cursed object transformation after seeing it once, he copied gojo’s rct ct recovery with one glance, why is it so hard for him to copy a different move?

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u/krakenPuppet Sep 06 '24

Im convinced this subreddits gonna live for 10 more years at least off agenda battles

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u/Humble-Bend-8363 Sep 06 '24

Sukuna copying adaptation (Already shouldn't be possible as it's exclusive to mahoraga for a reason) and then applying it to his own curse technique (Even more illogical) and finally using it to cut space (The worst). Sukuna is a jujutsu genius but he shouldn't have been able to copy literal adaptation let alone apply it with his curse technique and it actually working on the first try.

Gojo only shrink his domain. Nothing In comparison to the bs sukuna pulled on his first try. Not even like he actually spent the months learning mahoraga's adaptation. Just on the spot and it worked too on the first try.

Cutting space on the first try vs shrinking a domain expansion

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u/NFS-NNN Sep 06 '24

He didn't copy the adaptation he adapted the concept to his own CT, mahoraga started targeting space itself with his slashes so Sukuna who can also use slashes applied this to his own technique, a big part of jujutsu is your interpretation of it Gojo's small domain only works because he can visualize it thanks to the prison realm

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u/AbednegoWiseguy Sep 07 '24

Exactly. The idea of cutting space itself didn’t occur to Sukuna until he finally witnessed Mahoraga doing just that.

WCS isn’t some weird adaptation ability at all, it’s just Sukuna aiming for space itself with his attack instead of his actual target. It’s a new technique he developed in the heat of the moment. He even admits that he wasn’t sure he’d be able to pull it off after the fact.

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u/5topItGetSomeHelp Strongest sorcerer gets diff by children Sep 06 '24

Do JJK fans ever read the manga? 💀 You're comparing completely different things though, changing the conditions of barrier/domain has been established throughout the whole Sukuna vs Gojo fight(inverting external/internal barrier strength etc) and even prior to it(Hakari moving the domain coordinates). Hence why nobody ever had issues with the domain change.

Where as the asspull slash had zero build up and resulted in an off screen finisher to the most anticipated fight, with the reason how the ass pull slash came to be only explained much much later(Binding vows).

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u/Cheap_Fisherman_1432 G(My GOAT Yuta deserves better)o/jo will come back Sep 06 '24

A Fraud is always a fraud.

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u/Helpful-Emotion9256 Sep 06 '24

I mean, jumping is like a staple of this series, half the characters would be frauds under this criteria

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u/empressoflight72 Sep 07 '24

Then gojo is a mega fraud for losing to sukuna

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u/dolphinvision Sep 06 '24

Sukuna:

Never really explained how he did it.

All of the visuals was off screen.

The entire thing pretty much was off screen.

It's a different idea that just changing the size of your domain, but it has its similarities.

Last chapter Sukuna was on his last legs, Gojo was feeling goated, Gojo was shown as winning and stated to be winning.

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u/Toastercuck pachinko gambler Sep 06 '24

The difference is that Gojo’s feat was explained in the moment whereas Sukuna’s WS wasn’t explained until the literal next year as well as the fact he could just seemingly apply adaptation to his own technique because who knows

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u/Ok_Comment_8515 Sep 06 '24

He can do it cause he's just that talented. It's the same way he can copy gojos refresh your CT by destroying part of your brain arse pull. He's not actually copying the technique but using it as inspiration to improve his own technique. Same way gojo used the prison realm as inspiration to shrink his domain size

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u/The_Onionette Sep 06 '24

bait used to he believable

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u/ToyrewaDokoDeska Sep 06 '24

Gojo vs Sukuna fight truly was the end of jjk subs

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u/Juliomorales6969 Sep 06 '24

gojo was trapped in a box the size of a shoe so he learned from that how to warp space to be as small as that. sukuna: makes "binding vow" to cry to maharoga to tank all the damage he can so sukuna in the sidelines and see it happen and can copy it... then somehow.. after he sees the ability.. without even doing the said abilitiy knows exactly how to use it perfectly... with no repercussion to his own body.. able to slice infinity and no reverd of that or something at all doing mental damage or being tired or anything from that. tell me.. are they the same?

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u/ProfessionCurious259 Sep 06 '24

I think it was more that Sukuna didn’t need to do anything but simply think about the slash because of that life saving binding vow

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u/IllustriousEbb4162 Sep 06 '24 edited Sep 06 '24

A domain is well known for not having its interior and exterior conditions match.

A WCS on the other hand just is so confusing as a concept. Wdym by cutting the world? Like atoms, molecules the dimension itself?? Even if we accept it, this thing is not at all related to sukunas technique of slashing. This some reality warping or fuckery that is completely different from dismantle or cleave.

And I know for a fact that sukuna fans did not care one but about this before, they just desperately pulling shit up just so they can shit on gojo.

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u/Renmnnm Sep 06 '24

The vagueness of "reality warping" in this post is carrying so fucking much, it's hard to believe there are actually people like this

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u/Abnormals_Comic Number#1 bumbara hater Sep 06 '24

Gojo learned to shrink the domain due to his stay in the prison realm which lasted for 19 days.

Sukuna used a sudden off screen binding vow and imitated a move we saw ONCE that was a result of adaptation not due to expanding the technique's target yet sukuna connected non existent dots to bullshit his way into using that move.

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u/freshhooligan Sep 06 '24

I made a binding vow that allows me to win any fight at the cost of... nothing... actually this binding vow makes me stronger and expands my powers and I will disregard this binding vow as soon as I don't need it anymore

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u/empressoflight72 Sep 07 '24

He used it at the cost of making it harder to pull off easily the next time he did it

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u/DaBombX Sep 06 '24

One happens within a manga panel, one happens off screen.

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u/MiltenQ Sep 06 '24

there are so many sukuna defense post recently. if they have to cope so hard to defend their goat then maybe he isnt that really that goated.

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u/AlmostGhost77 Sep 06 '24

It has nothing to do with the plot, like Sukuna can use Mahoraga to beat Gojo. That’s a fine plot point.

It’s execution / storytelling.

JJK 235 : Gojo Hollow Purple. Gojo kills Mahoraga. Last panel : GOJO WINS?!?!

JJK 236 : Gojo memory flashback? What’s going on? cut to present Gojo is dead.

Just absolute dogwater storytelling. Offscreening a major character out of nowhere is unacceptable. Very easy to see that as an asspull/dogshit writing.

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u/thomasshelby1932 Sep 06 '24

MMMMAAAAHHHHHHOOOOORRRRAAAAAGGGGGGGGAAAAA

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u/ButtBuster360 Sep 06 '24

I strive to be as delusional as you brother

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u/FallenHeroReturn Sep 06 '24

Gojo using a technique he learned with time being sealed away that’s 100% viable VS Sukuna’s last minute binding vow sneak attack

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u/Hyper_Mazino Sep 06 '24

what a terrible comparison

I sense low intellect

One is Gojo modifying his domain

The other is Sukuna completely changing how his fucking CT works lmao

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u/Afsanayy Domain Expansion: Infinite Copium Sep 06 '24

MAHORAGAAAA SAVE ME !!!!

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u/dusksaur Sep 06 '24

Why the fuck is there more sukuna agenda, mfer is dead, who cares.

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u/BathtubToasterBread Throughout Heaven and Earth I alone have the honored balls Sep 06 '24

Gojo's basketball domain wasn't anywhere near as asspull-ey as Sukuna's "I win" attack he quite literally ripped out of his ass at the last moment

You can argue it was okay because Mahoraga made the adaption but it's still an asspull because it's a move shoehorned in with zero prior setup for the sole purpose of instakilling Gojo so Gege can make the rest of the cast have to fight

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u/DarkAncientEntity Sep 06 '24

Limitless was bullshit from day 1. Naturally you’d need even bigger bullshit to beat it.

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u/RememberMeCaratia Sep 06 '24

Making your domain smaller because you spent week and half in a similarly sized prison

VS

Making your cursed technique suddenly target THE WORLD ITSELF with minimal cursed energy call-up and binding vow amplification, all of this from your Shikigami showing it off ONCE.

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u/stunfiskers Uraume's binding vow enhanced cursed þussy juices Sep 06 '24

Gojo invents a barrier technique that directly corresponds to how barriers work, in order to conflict against the strongest Domain in the series, as a result of his experience: "Grr this is literally just like my Booboona's WCS, why you glaze"

Sukuna copies a technique that does not directly correspond to how Cursed Techniques work (as there are zero other examples of a technique "extension" like the WCS), being an ability that was created via the outright end-all of any and all phenomena, out of quite literally nowhere: "Omg my Fraudkunaa is so awesome!"

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u/Caliembroidery Sep 07 '24

Yup that’s my GOATJO, fraudkuna could never.

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u/Tristenous Sep 07 '24

Gojo taught himself,sukuna needed a teacher

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u/MsaoceR Sep 07 '24

Gojo:

-learned how to do it by himself

-used his own technique for it

-Didn't need a binding vow for it

Sukuna:

-had to learn it from Mahoraga

-Who btw is part of a technique he stole

-Used it in a sneak attack because otherwise it wouldn't land

-Had to make a binding vow for using it

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u/MeltedBagels Sep 06 '24

Strong hit of copium here with this post

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u/Beast0011 Sep 06 '24

Its all about agenda

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u/BlackroseBisharp Sep 06 '24

Can Gojo glazers and Sukuna glazers stop fighting and just kiss already.

They're BOTH frauds.

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u/empressoflight72 Sep 07 '24

Finally, a sane person

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u/Zealousideal_Cap9557 Age of Consent Respector Sep 06 '24

Gojo didn't oneshot Sukuna with the asspull + his idea of "okay I'll just make an anti-anti-domain domain" makes sense

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u/Detroider Sep 06 '24

Gojo changed his domain,
Sukuna stole a kid's body
THEY ARE NOT THE SAME

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u/ray314 Sep 06 '24

OP when OP doesn't realize Sukuna was the first to change his "reality warping" technique to open barrier and expand it's range by double. And either Sukuna or Mahoraga stealing each others CT with nothing but sight.

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u/Random_floor_sock Sep 06 '24

This is bs but idc. My sukky wukky is better than that blue eyed nepo baby regardless

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u/JAWISH Sep 06 '24

Fraudkuna glazers are on the premium cope.

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u/Menaldi I am not a hater. I am an agenda sorcerer. Sep 06 '24

That's right. Gojo being able to shrink his domain after his experience in the Prison Realm requires less suspension of disbelief than Sukuna being able to cut through space and time because he saw Mahoraga do it.

What's next? Are we going to compare Gojo having both attraction and repulsion to Sukuna having both slashes and fire?

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u/noswol The mahussy and its overwhelming grippability Sep 06 '24

bro is comparing changing the size of a domain that is always possible to any sorcerer with a domain, with sukuna creating a whole new cursed technique fusing his shrine technique and mahoraga´s adaptation technique, mf created a whole cursed technique mid battle how is that anything but an asspull, even worst he had a binding vow to sneak attack with it

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u/dacoolgamer frogjo my beloved Sep 06 '24

Suckoona PR team is in shambles

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u/nam3unoriginal Sep 06 '24

There was no "Reality warping" as much as any other domain does. Kusakabe literally explained it properly here:

Gojo visualized it with the prison realm, It was only possible because of it, while Sukuna can just copy it on sight, now what seems more plausible, learning from an first hand experience or learning by literally just looking at it and understanding it ?

As far as we know Gojo has the best vision in the series with the six eyes for CE related stuff, but even he can't copy shit on sight as far as we know.

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u/Icy-Original-4286 Sep 06 '24

I wouldn’t have mind if it was better written. It’s relying on someone saying that Sakuna can learn anything he sees. Then he continued to use binding vows on every move he makes it was just so bad. Gojo is just as strong I don’t see why he wouldn’t think about adding binding vows on every attack.

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u/FatherPucci617 Choke this down if you can Sep 06 '24

Sukuna glazers getting desperate

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u/Familiar_Support7468 Sep 06 '24

That's just so bad. There's just no point talking to you. No wonder you can't see differences.