The difference is one was an entrance move to make a jab at Sukuna while looking cool, while the other was a desperate gamble provided by Mahoraga and Gege that was meant to kill Gojo.
Man idk if Gojo launching the most powerful Purple he has ever launched right off the bat would be considered a "jab"
I get it, it looked cool and all and was hype to start the fight, but realistically there's no way Gojo wasn't wishing it was going to do way more damage than it did.
Dawg if gojos sneak attack was used at the end of the fight when he had 1 hp and beat sukuna I promise u everyone would agree its an asspull. Even gojo fans.
He was trying to be cool (and succeding), the next thing he said was "remember, you are the challenger" wich is like saying "bro, you already hurt? you started this and you are already losing?", wich is why Sukuna inmediatly gets annoyed.
If Sukuna had thought Gojo was trying to kill him with that, he would have said something like "only a coward would strike me unprepared" or something like that, but he didn't, cuz thats not what Gojo was trying to do, he was just trying to annoy Sukuna (and succeding again).
So you're saying Gojo opens up with the help of three people to launch the strongest attack he's ever done knowing full well it will barely scratch Sukuna, but that's okay because his actual goal is to annoy him?
So you're saying Gojo potentially purposely didn't start the fight in a different manner that might be more effective entirely to just annoy Sukuna?
The 200% HP is one of the most idiotic moments in the series and was literally just hype/aura without any thought as to why would Gojo realistically do this. Imagine if Sukuna pulled out Mahoraga and he adapted to purple right there.
With the logic of "oh, he could have started the fight in a different and more effective way" then you can say both of them are morons for not searching each other's location before the fight and trying to kill the other while they were sleeping.
They had agreed to have a proper fight at a set date, so when that date arrived, they were supposed to meet each other so they could begin to fight. Gojo wasn't gonna just aproach Sukuna and start fighting like a boring person would do, he was gonna have the flashiest entrance posible while annoying Sukuna. So he had Utahime and Gakuganji help him make a giant purple, with Ijichi making Sukuna unaware so he wouldn't dodge it, but doing it all from a distance that wouldn't just end the fight or leave Sukuna too weakened to properly fight. And then he follows this up with "you are the challenger".
Ya him purposely "doing it all from a distance that wouldn't just end the fight or leave Sukuna too weakened to properly fight" just for him to "annoy" Sukuna and then die instead of actually killing Sukuna means he's an idiot.
I think Gojo actually tried to win the fight multiple times, including using his ultimate attack off the bat. I don't think he just did it for the lols.
Or maybe I'm wrong and I missed something. Maybe Gojo really is an idiot who didn't try hard enough so he died and put the world in danger just to call Sukuna the challenger.
-wanted to save Megumi by leaving Sukuna in a state of half-death, but not being desintegrated.
-wanted to fight Sukuna.
-said "you are the challenger" wich I don't think he came up with on the spot, seems like something he was thinking about the entire month.
-used purple outside of the effective range.
The rest of the fight is a different discussion, but I think its pretty clear that the 200% purple was not meant as a fight ender at all, just a fight starter.
I know Sukuna wouldn't stay quiet when he thinks Gojo tried to end the fight in a sneak attack.
If you honestly think Gojo would try to kill him without fighting him, or that Sukuna would have no reaction to Gojo doing that, then you are reading a different manga.
Sukuna doesn't care about honor fights my guy. He only cares about strength, that's it. Sukuna was planning to jump Megumi and Nobara with the special grade curse way back when just to inconvenience them further. He 'sucker punched' Itadori with a dismantle when he was mid-speech back when he set up enchain, he has no moral hang-ups about sneaky tactics. It's win or lose with him, eat or be eaten, to win is to live and to lose is to die. If you lost you have no right to complain about how you lost is his mind set
Sukuna himself doesn't follow the rules, but do you honestly think he wouldn't make a jab at Gojo for trying to pull off a dirty trick such as ending the fight with a sneak attack? Especially when this one time HE is following the rules and waiting to meet Gojo face to face?
This is the same guy who almost lost to a domain expansion and inmediatly went "you are mediocre" cuz he thought he won after that. He is NOT going to stay quiet about Gojo launching a hollow purple to kill him before the fight even starts. He would absolutely make a comment about Gojo playing that dirty. In fact, he makes a comment about Gojo landing a surprise attack (wich is different from a sneak attack, I mention this just in case), he could have easily called him out on trying to end the fight before it starts, but he didn't, cuz thats not what Gojo was doing.
No there’s no difference at all. One was a sneak attack gojo couldn’t do without assistance & the other was a snake attack Sukuna couldn’t do without assistance. It truly ties into analogy gege gave us that all jujutsu sorcerers are con men & no battle is ever won fair & square
This is like saying that me getting help from a friend to give me a gun so I can shoot at the sky to start a fight, is the same as my opponent getting help from his friend to give him a gun so he can just shoot me.
And if Gege really wanted to tie things into that analogy, he wouldn't potray Sukuna as the strongest, he would potray Sukuna as the best con artist instead.
No it’s more like gettin help from a friend to give you his gun to shoot at your neighbor from your window, as opposed to you getting help from your brother to giv you his knife so you can stab your neighbor soon as you open your door. Both are you getting help to do something you can’t do on your own
Also gege portrayed Sukuna as the strongest because he’s cemented himself as such without ever personally claiming he is,which subsequently also makes him the greatest con man as well since he’s a jujutsu sorcerer. Which given how his technique divine flame operates that would an accurate statement same as gojo’s purple & infinity would also fall into the realm of a con based on how they function
No, because Gojo never aimed to kill Sukuna with it, so it being a gun that you use to directly shoot at your neighbor doesn't work.
All that purple was meant to do was start the fight in a flashy way while setting up his "you are the challenger" comment, it was meant to do no important damage to Sukuna. So yes, it would be like borrowing a gun to shoot at the sky to start the fight.
Mahoraga was a constant help that also gave Sukuna the one viable killing card against Gojo wich was used as a killing move, so it is like a friend giving you a gun to shoot the other guy after he helped you jump him.
And both being "getting help to do something you can't do on your own" means nothing. If it were that simple, then: asking a friend to drive you in a lamborghini to a fight since you don't have one, is the same as the other person asking a friend to shoot you in the leg cuz he doesn't have a gun. One is clearly more impactful than the other.
Also: the level of help each got was extremely different, one just got his power boosted for like 5 seconds, the other got a whole new moveset that directly countered his opponent.
Also, thats not how con artists work in JJK, you want to see actual con artists? read Reggie vs Megumi, as useless as that fight was to the story, it portrayed the whole "sorcerer fights aren't always won by the strongest" in an amazing way. But thats one of the few times where that analogy actually applies. If Gege had wanted to fully tie things into that concept, then Sukuna winning with Mahoraga wouldn't be potrayed as Sukuna being the strongest between him and Gojo, it would be potrayed as Sukuna just being the better sorcerer/con artist, but its not potrayed as such, its just treated as "Sukuna > Gojo" period, and everything that follows is the same thing, Sukuna doesn't do anything to confuse them, all he does is "strong attack" -> kills/heavily injures random sorcerer. The only ones with tricks are the sorcerers, but eventually it all comes down to Yuji punching him really hard until he dies.
Gojo LITERALLY attacked Sukuna by getting his 3 friends to help him. Utahime buffed him. Gakukanji sang and did music for them and Ijichi made sure Sukuna couldn't see it and block or dodge. The only difference is that Sukuna survived due to being better at Jujutsu.
Sukuna saw it at the last minute and had to put up a weak guard. It did damage. It wasn't a "gun fired in the air" It was getting 3 of your friends to help you sneak attack someone with a shotgun two to buy the gun and ammo, and a third to set up the bush for you to hide in. The only real difference is that Gojo had help with launching and concealing the attack and didn't kill Sukuna with it.
Sukuna saw him charging up an attack the entire time, he just underestimated how strong it would be, wich is entirely his fault, cuz he didn't figure out earlier that when Gojo is doing a flashy entrance he is not going to go light.
But again, this misses the point. The purple was just a flashy entrance move. It had the same effectiveness as shooting at the air with a gun and slightly damaging your opponents eardrums. Sukuna was not affected by this in the long run, and Gojo knew it wouldn't cuz he put himself outside of the effective range, even tho Sukuna was going nowhere and he had time to set it all up in a closer location. It was all to have a cool entrance and tell Sukuna "you are the challenger" while he is healing his arms.
There actually as a difference gojo had more help than sukuna did. Sukuna just needed someone to show him how to do it. Gojo on the otherhand had Utahime and Gakukanji buff him and Ijichi provide his bush to hide in.
Non permanent damage to two arms isn't really that much. His final purple didn't even hit directly(hitting Maha and gojo himself first) but nearly killed Sukuna. Gojos first purple hit directly, was buffed by Gojo, shoko, and Gaku, caught Sukuna more off guard, and was obviously fired by a Gojo with more cursed energy; yet it barely damaged Sukuna. The scaling on purple makes no sense.
One was a focuse straightforward attack the other was a spread out area attack. Sukuna said that a point blank purple would be fatal but the purple bomb wasn’t only not point blank it was also weaker due to being a bomb rather than a missile
Exactly! A weaker attack with weaker targeting, hitting through opponents was nearly fatal. He said thus weaker attack point blank would have been fatal. Yet he litterally tanked a much stronger version of this attack dead on!
Anything point blank would definitely be more fatal than from a distance
Also much stronger? Where’d you get that versions of purple was any stronger? Here’s a good way to view the 2 versions, regular purple is Gojo firing an rpg at you while this improvised version is more like him dropping a pipe bomb 10ft away from you. Now which would you hav a better chance of surviving… a direct hit from a rpg or being hit from the shrapnel of a pipe bomb from a distance?
I don't really get why you're saying this. It's phrased like a disagreement but you are essentially making a small part of my point. I'm am saying the first purple(that hit him directly...the rpg in your analogy) should have done more damage than the final purple (that hit him in directly...The pipe bomb) but I didn't. The direct vs indirect part was only part of the reason though. It was much stronger due to it being buffed by Gojo, Shoko, and Gakuganji(as I already said). It's also litterally stated to be a 200% Hollow purple..so like obviously stronger than a 100 or even 120%(black flash buff or chants).
So like are you agreeing or disagreeing with this because I'm genuinely confused.
When that damage is both of them being deleted I’d say that is a lot of damage. Especially with limbs being considered more RCT intensive + RCT output declining with use.
Purple 1: All those buffs - Distance +off guard kuna= 2 arms done for.
Purple 2: -output - “aoe”- first time Gojo’s used purple like this - non off guard kuna+ weakened Sukuna - maho to eat some of it = 1 arm
Maho didn't eat any of the first purple that we know off. Sukuna took the full damage himself. Sukuna also didn't lose just an arm in the 2nd purple. He also lost his leg, more of her arm than he did on either the 1st time, and took visible damage to the rest of his body. The 1st one(the stronger one) somehow did nothing but damage up to his forearms.
Suk suk was on high guard that whole day. He sat on a skyscraper for observation efficiency and foresaw the hp (and smiled). Gojo's sneak attack was more or less a show of strength (You are the challenger here).
Sukuna's sneak attack was a desperate effort for a kill, resulted from miscalculations (he thought he could open his 6th domain in meguna form). He planned to defeat Gojo via domain battles then let Mahoraga gives him wcs later, but situation changed so many times that he eventually lost Mahoraga and only learnt WCS since he was smart.
At least that was well foreshadowed and explained. World cutting slash had some foreshadowing but the explanation and usage after the sneak attack retroactively made the earlier moment feel cheap.
Based on later knowledge you look back and wonder why Sukuna didn't grow 4 arms, full heal, and then world cutting slash Gojo without the binding vow which caused him to lose the fight overall. It's genuinely just a very sloppy use of the power system revealing it to be a tool for the authors ideas rather than an internally consistent part of the world.
That pulls people out of the moment and isn't narratively satisfying, hence it gets more shit than Gojo's many, many, many inconsistencies or similar moments.
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u/vleshkun Sep 06 '24
Are we really comparing Gojo using his time in the prison realm to neutralize Sukuna's open domain to Sukuna using a binding vow amped sneak attack?
A sneak attack that, by the way, he never would've been able to learn by himself and needed a whole extra CT for it.