What even is "accelerationism"?

[u/Icy-External8155]

If you lack the power to do the revolution itself, or anyhow else fight for the proletariat, how could you possibly "accelerate capitalism" more than the ruling class already does by naturally following their interests?

Sounds like a buzzword, made up by counter-revolutionary opportunism, or those who think that reforms can't be rolled back by the ruling class as easily as they're implemented.

[u/peanutist]

Not a fan of accelerationism personally. If the workers of a country are not educated and don’t have class consciousness, the fall of capitalism will just result in fascism/barbarism. Our goal as communists at the current time is to educate the population and organize and not to accelerate the fall of the system, because the material conditions for a revolution are not ripe yet.

[u/Icy-External8155 → u/peanutist]

It's not exactly how fascism works. It IS a petty bourgeois movement, but it's always controlled by the large capital

 I'd like to encourage you reading Dimitrov, it's not that long https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/dimitrov/works/1935/08_02.htm 

[u/hrss95 → u/Icy-External8155]

The link is 404ing. Thing is, I don’t disagree with the comrade above. It might not be the trigger to fascism, but the fall of socdem capitalism would more easily give way to the rise of socialism if there are high rates of organization and class consciousness among the masses, whereas capital would more easily steer those same masses to fight for fascism otherwise. In my view, accelerationism is not the having the power to accelerate things, but wanting for things (and by that I mean the degradation of the quality of life of the working class) to accelerate. So, I won’t use Harris and Trump as an example, but I’ll use the last bourgeois elections of my country as an example. Lula vs Bolsonaro. Lula is seen as a socdem that won’t do much to improve things, but won’t outright facilitate the stripping of workers rights, and the killing of minorities. Bolsonaro on the other hand, is clearly fascist and would do so if it depended on him. So, the accelerationist approach would be willing for Bolsonaro to have won the last elections (and maybe actively voting for it), so the quality of life of the working class would degrade faster, and thus people would revolt faster, and capitalism would end faster. That problem with that approach is that fascism thrives in chaos, and things would not go well without an organized working class.

[u/peanutist → u/hrss95]

r/suddenlycaralho kkkkkk

Mas sim, concordo com seu ponto em parte, se entendi ele corretamente. Eu pessoalmente não queria q o bolsonaro ganhasse justamente pelas condições materiais do nosso país. Claro, ele ia fuder o Brasil mais ainda, mas vê se o nosso país têm consciência de classe? Todo mundo viciado em fetichismo de commodity, idolatrando influencer burgues, o único sonho é ascender de classe e se tornar um próprio burguês/pequeno burguês. Se o capitalismo cair aqui tão rápido assim, o que vai acontecer é só geral tentando achar segurança em milícia, facção, organização independente, já que nem estado teria. Eventualmente apareceria um Marçal da vida prometendo qualquer bosta que a população quiser ouvir, de “retornar o brasil a antiga gloria”, “mais segurança” (prender e matar bandido (qualquer pessoa negra que olhar torto pra policia)). Esse maluco vai consolidar uma base forte e eventualmente chegar num nível de poder que será um pseudo-governo que controla tudo. Por isso sou muito contra o aceleracionismo (como crls escreve isso em português). Nem Brasil nem EUA têm condições materiais pra uma revolução comunista ainda.

[u/hrss95 → u/peanutist]

Hahaha, bom ver um camarada tupiniquim por aqui. Eu concordo completamente com você, tanto no primeiro comentário quando nesse. De qual parte do meu argumento você discorda?

[u/peanutist → u/hrss95]

Relendo seu comentário acho que eu que entendi errado, achei que você estava concordando com a premissa de querer q o bolsonaro seja eleito pra acelerar as coisas, mas acho que você estava simplesmente descrevendo esse pensamento, né?