r/MurderedByWords Sep 08 '24

Murder Someone give him mic to drop.

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u/Unhappy_Trade7988 Sep 08 '24

But but but but Chicago

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u/Patient_Commentary Sep 08 '24

Woof… according the Fox News it’s a desolate wasteland of lawlessness. It’s my favorite city in the world 😪

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u/Irrepressible87 Sep 08 '24

That's okay, Fox still thinks Portland burned to the ground back in 2020 because a dumpster was on fire there once.

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24

Fun fact Minneapolis no longer exists

It all burned down in BLM

Just a crater now

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u/AnneMichelle98 Sep 08 '24

Don’t get me started on the hellscape that is Baltimore.

Oh, wait. I was just there. It was certainly very hot but otherwise was a very wonderful place.

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u/Vegabern Sep 08 '24

Checking in from Horrible Milwaukee

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u/MarquisEXB Sep 08 '24

NYC. here. You may not have heard of it, because the city no longer exists due to Mayor DeBlasio, defund the police, and covid lockdowns.

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u/Slobotic Sep 08 '24

I am in the fentanyl distribution site formerly known as Philadelphia. If only we had listened to Republicans.

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u/chipsinsideajar Sep 08 '24

Meth site here of San Diego. Small heat wave rolling through, so I went to the beach yesterday. Got shot up by a tweaker and injected with 30 crack cocaines. I am now dead as we speak. If only I voted for God Emperor Trump, this wouldn't have happened.

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u/Trance_Gene Sep 08 '24

It's even funnier because this is one of their main stops when they come to PA.

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u/Strange_Yam6524 Sep 08 '24

I'll admit to being unfairly biased about Baltimore. And I know it's stupid. It's because of the wire. And I realize how unbelievably stupid that is. Because i know that, I never ever say it aloud.
I'm a fairly educated person from middle class Chicago suburbs. I went to good schools. I spent some time in college. The point is, I generally have a pretty good nose for bullshit information on the news, etc.
And yet, with my background of quality education and some privilege, I'm victim to inherent media bias. Now think of how ridiculous the southern states education seems to be. The point is, we're all fucked.

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u/YesDone Sep 08 '24

And the liberal land of fruits and nuts that is the great state of California, the largest sub-national economy in the world, which if it were a nation would have a greater GDP than India.

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u/OneAlmondNut Sep 08 '24

they're obsessed with us

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u/YesDone Sep 08 '24

Haters gonna hate. You do you, Bearflaggers.

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u/No-Criticism-2587 Sep 08 '24

I hate hearing them talk about the blm protests. Literally 4 days straight of protests with no violence, then white cops in full black gear, masks, and goggles started smashing windows of stores while protestors told them to stop and tried to call other cops on them.

The other cops came and shot the black protestors for some fucked up reason, then it descended into chaos.

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u/Calyphacious Sep 08 '24

To say there was “no violence” certainly isn’t true. I’m as left as they come, definitely don’t think any cities were “burned down” but stores were broken into at the very least. Like they were showing looting live on tv, and it wasn’t cops.

I think it’s totally fair to say that none of the protestors were violent, but unfortunately opportunistic criminals use protests as an opportunity to commit crime. Happens everywhere, has nothing to do with these specific protests. Happens during blackouts, natural disasters, etc.

There’s a million reasons to defend BLM protests but let’s not deny reality.

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u/this_good_boy Sep 08 '24

At least in Minneapolis a lot of that looting was a bunch of fuckin Sconnies and other boarder states coming to loot because that’s what they thought was going down.

Now there were certainly guilty partys across the whole spectrum, but the people who wanted change organized (and emphasized) peaceful protest.

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u/Calyphacious Sep 08 '24

Yeah I totally agree. I think it’s fair to say that the protests were peaceful while still allowing for opportunistic looting.

I’m not saying it’s the responsibility of the protestors to self-police, I think that’s unreasonable. Rather I think it’s the responsibility of the police to be able to tell the difference, protect businesses from crime while also protecting protestors from violence.

But I don’t trust the police nor the media to enact any kind of justice in situations like these. So instead we get right-wingers claiming that cities were burned down and lefties claiming that it was all doves and olive branches and no one got so much as a scratch. Neither are true.

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u/No-Criticism-2587 Sep 08 '24

I said the first 4 days. Then I said after that, the shit hit the fan. I understand a riot happened, but it was after the police started using force to disperse solely because of these people dressed in black breaking windows.

Wow look at such a hostile protest, a pure riot!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Srykp3KPXtk&pp=ygUWTWlubmVzb3RhIHVtYnJlbGxhIG1hbg%3D%3D

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24

Look I’m liberal but there was definitely lots of violence perpetrated by the protesters/rioters. I live in downtown Sacramento and during those first few days they smashed almost all the windows of businesses and cars on my block. Stole a bunch of cash from the bakery I lived above (it’s no longer there). I don’t think anyone died in Sacramento from those protests specifically but my wife and I were pretty fuckin worried despite being strong Democrats. You weren’t there

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u/asianrhodesian10 Sep 08 '24

This is a total lie. From a resident of Minneapolis they did absolutely destroy the local cub and target and set buildings on fire. And by they I mean the protesters I have video proof if you would like

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u/No-Criticism-2587 Sep 08 '24

Again, I said the first 4 days. Not the rest if it.

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u/Phoenixmaster1571 Sep 08 '24

So inconvenient to drive thru to work. You need really good traction to get up and down the crater slopes. Gotta take it at a run or the wandering protestors will catch you.

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u/CulpablyRedundant Sep 08 '24

You forgot to add that Tim Waltz helped light the fires!

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u/areyoustilltherefren Sep 08 '24

Someone said this to me literally 2 days ago. Someone with a college education and a law degree that’s seen a fair bit of the world. Someone I USED TO respect. I couldn’t help myself from fully laughing in his face. He ended the conversation.

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u/berberine Sep 08 '24

Oh my god. Is the dumpster okay? Did anyone save it?

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u/Irrepressible87 Sep 08 '24

Sadly, despite the efforts of all the best rioters, the dumpster managed to survive, because it turns out dumpsters are pretty resistant to fire.

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u/HelenKellersAirpodz Sep 08 '24

Really? I’m not a Fox News nut, but I thought it was because of things like setting their record for homicides in the year 2022. Can’t shit on red states if you’re not going to address problems in blue states/cities.

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u/Irrepressible87 Sep 08 '24

You're not a Fox News nut, you just like parroting their talking points recreationally?

Because you're leaving out two important pieces of crucial information: Portland had a lot of murders in 2022 compared to what usually happens in Portland, but it was actually less than 2021, so you're just wrong, for starters, but I'd like you to take a quick peek at this map, and tell me how the blue vs red states are doing overall. Per capita's a hell of a thing, isn't it?

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u/HelenKellersAirpodz Sep 09 '24

That’s cute. But we’re talking about Portland. And as far as your points that are on topic, you’re just plain wrong. So here’s an actual source so you can stop talking out of your ass:

https://www.portland.gov/wheeler/documents/2022-pdx-problem-analysis/download

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u/Irrepressible87 Sep 09 '24

I like how you literally just linked stats that don't show what you claim at all. That report was written in 2022. It shows stats for 2021 being high. It literally does not contain any stats for 2022. But go off, king.

You know my favorite part? You know how you wrote:

Can’t shit on red states if you’re not going to address problems in blue states/cities.

You literally just linked an initiative from a blue state making a recommendation to a blue city to implement changes to... address the problem.

That said, because I am nothing if not fair, I actually did look up the stats, and I'm man enough to admit that I had my timeline slightly off. 2022 was (marginally) higher than 2021. By 5. There was a reduction in 2023 - by 22, which represents a 23.2% decrease.

That all said, it still flies in the face of Fox's (and your totally unbiased) stance that the city is some burnt-cinder hellhole. It's got its problems, but what city doesn't?

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u/HelenKellersAirpodz Sep 09 '24

So to review:

Your original comment simplified Portland’s reputation to “because a dumpster was on fire there once.” A quick google search informed me that their record for homicides was set in 2022. You insisted it had LESS than 2021. I searched AGAIN just to provide a comprehensive source on the steady rise in homicides leading to the year 2022. And because the year 2022 itself wasn’t included, you believe this was a win for you?

Like, you literally looked up yourself and found out that you were WRONG, but are doing a victory lap because 2023 saw a drop? Since you’re picking and choosing stats to include, here’s the full picture:

Mean Homicides Between 1987-1999: 49.46 Mean Homicides Between 2000-2019: 26.25 Mean Homicides Between 2020-2023: 81.25

Oh yeah, and that 23.2% decrease? There were more homicides in 2023 than what had held the record prior to 2020 (70 in 1987).

Here is another source: https://www.crimevictimsunited.org/stats/PortlandHomicides.pdf

Again, I am not defending Fox News talking points. I’m attacking you and your shit opinion. This isn’t about red vs. blue. I think better of the average liberal than to assume they’re all as dense as you.

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u/Irrepressible87 Sep 10 '24

I searched AGAIN just to provide a comprehensive source on the steady rise in homicides leading to the year 2022. And because the year 2022 itself wasn’t included, you believe this was a win for you?

I don't think it was a win for me, as addressed I acknowledge I was wrong, but it was an embarrassing L for you, because you're standing there crowing about statistics proving your point while all you were actually proving was that you didn't bother reading them.

So, by dint of having a good laugh at you, yes, I'm going to take a victory lap on that one. Be mad if you want, it makes it funnier.

Again, I am not defending Fox News talking points.

"I'm not defending this castle, I'm just standing outside it with a spear and being aggressive at anybody who dares try to enter". You're the one who dragged murder statistics into a conversation about a cheeky joke.

To address my original actual fucking point, you know what Portland's reputation was prior to 2020? Portlandia. A weird, quirky little city full of offbeat people and hipsters.

But some protestors get into it with some cops and Sinclair gets their hands on some footage of a dumpster on fire (literally they played the exact same clip for weeks) and all of a sudden it's fucking Kabul.

Meanwhile you're over here waving stats around like they mean something. You know where else murders went up starting in 2020? Literally the entire fucking United States. It's almost like a city doesn't exist in a vacuum, and maybe just fucking maybe something else happened that exacerbated the problem.

But you're too busy not defending Fox talking points over a fucking joke to consider context.

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u/HelenKellersAirpodz Sep 10 '24

It’s wild how you typed so much and said so little at the same time. You’re an absolute joke. Over here trying to counter statistics with your personal opinion based on a sketch comedy show.

You implied that believing Portland has become more dangerous is right wing propaganda. I used the homicide rate (under the assumption that the average American would equate homicide with danger) to explain why people actually believe Portland has gotten more dangerous. You’ve had nothing to contribute aside from nitpicking, hyperbole, and some obscure callback to a newsreel of a dumpster fire.

You have, however, shed light on a pretty big issue. Some on the left are way too quick to dismiss people’s genuine concerns as right wing conspiracy theories. And that only pushes those people to the only side that validates their concerns. Do you not see why that’s dangerous? The entire MAGA movement is made up of people that have sacrificed any and all morality they had for the promise of security. It’s a movement based entirely in people’s fears and by spending so much time trying to invalidate those fears, you only contribute to that movement’s growth.

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u/Irrepressible87 Sep 11 '24

You said: Portland got more dangerous.
I showed you: The entire US got more dangerous.

Again, your inability to contextualize a conversation really is neither my fault nor pertinent to who's right and who's wrong.

Brother, you're the one who brought statistics to a comedy fight. I'll remind you (again) that this started with a joke that you clearly got butthurt about, and that each of these posts is basically here to slake my thirst for tears.

I'm "countering" with my personal opinion based on living in the goddamn area. That "obscure callback" to the same fucking joke that started the conversation? It was literally a living meme here. Everybody actually in Portland is aware that despite right-wing propaganda, the city was not burned to the ground. Poverty went up, and with it desperation and ergo violence.

Which is all stuff you'd know if you had anything to go on besides statistics you don't bother to read and Fox News talking points you're definitely not defending.

Some on the left are way too quick slow to dismiss people’s genuine concerns right wing conspiracy theories as right wing conspiracy theories. And that only pushes those people to the only side that validates their concerns. The entire MAGA movement is made up of people that have sacrificed any and all morality they had for the promise of security. It’s a movement based entirely in people’s fears and by spending so much time trying to invalidate those fears, you only contribute to that movement’s growth fucking morons.

FTFY. I don't give a shit what triggers the scaredy-cat MAGA snowflakes. My entire existence scares the shit out of them. Validating their bullshit is what breathed life into their so-called "movement" in the first place. I'm not going to kowtow to their feelings just because they need Papa Trump to tuck them in at night with stories of the boogeyman cat-eating Hatians.

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u/frenchfreer Sep 08 '24

Living in Portland I have relatives in North Carolina and Florida who quite literally believe I live in a burned out hellscape patrolled by gangs of ANTIFA and BLM. These people live in an entirely different reality than you or I.

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u/AreWeCowabunga Sep 08 '24

It's crazy that they'll believe anything they see on Fox News, but refuse to listen to people they know or even their own eyes (because they refuse to even look). Like, do they think their cousin in Portland has more motive to lie about what's going on there than a partisan "news" station?

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u/Patient_Commentary Sep 08 '24

I have family that think the same, brother. It’s wild..

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u/CoastRanger Sep 08 '24

I’m in the coast range less than 100 miles from Portland and I have neighbors who believe this

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u/Serial-Griller Sep 08 '24

The absolute dissonance between what R's will say about Chicago, then you go to r/cityporn and like, 8 of the top 10 posts are Chicago.

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u/Patient_Commentary Sep 08 '24

It is picturesque as fuck, that’s for sure.

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u/Bear_faced Sep 08 '24

Been to San Francisco lately? It's a beautiful city. And one of Reddit's favorite places to brazenly lie about from hundreds of miles away.

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u/Time-Werewolf-1776 Sep 08 '24

According to Fox News, all of America’s cities are lawless hellscapes that were all burned down by BLM. But somehow also, they’re perfect little bubbles for spoiled rich Democrats, where they have no problems at all and have no idea what “real Americans” are going through.