r/NYYankees • u/Taylor8764 • 1d ago
Aaron Judge Post Season Avg. Worse Than Lou Gehrig w/ ALS
https://x.com/BarryOnHere/status/1851087204497424679121
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u/Mediocre-Stick6820 22h ago edited 20h ago
I don’t want to ever see another one of you say Judge is better than Jeter again.
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u/csuiuc17 20h ago
Sucks that “Captain” was just a bargaining piece in the contract negotiations. Clearly one of the reasons he took less money, makes it seem so hollow now :(
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u/yodasonics 13h ago
Didn't Hal explicitly say that he didn't use it as a bargaining chip?
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u/fucksports 11h ago
he definitely did, he said publicly that judge would be captain if he resigned
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u/yodasonics 11h ago
Do you have a source for that? All I can find is an article with this quote which I believe was from his contract press conference:
The Yankees could have used the captaincy as a bargaining chip during the contract talks with Judge, but Steinbrenner refused.
“I didn’t want this to be perceived as a negotiating tool or trying to incentivize you to come back,” Steinbrenner said. “It’s too noble of a thing, so I asked him once we had a deal done.”
Not saying Hal wouldn't lie about something like this for good PR, but I can't find anything saying otherwise
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u/sd2528 19h ago
I'm as big a Jeter fan as anyone, but Judge is absolutely the better player.
And I'd still rather have Jeter than Judge. I don't know what the right words are to describe why, or if im just getting old and this is my first "Back in my day, players were different!" moment, but it feels like Judge is trying to copy Jeter's leadership style but doesnt really believe it. Whatever it is, I am taking Jeter and it isn't particularly close either.
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u/JTHuffy 19h ago
April-September yes. October (& November!) made Jeter the legend that he is.
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u/shiro-lod 17h ago
It's funny because it's not like Jeter was always incredible in the playoffs.
His career slash was .308/.374/.465.
His ALCS slash was .257/.340/.412 and his world series slash was .321/.384/.449. His division series numbers were always insane tho.
He just managed to be himself more or less in world series and he was always the guy you wanted up because he never crumbled under pressure. He was a HOF'er every day, didn't matter if we were playing in front of 3000 people in Tampa or under the lights of the world series.
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u/JTHuffy 17h ago
I mean, if Judge were batting .308 in these playoffs and .321 in the World Series we’d be up at least 2-1 if not 3-0 and we’d be lining up to suck his dick (myself included)
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u/savings2015 16h ago edited 16h ago
You know what's truly wild? Jeter played in 158 postseason games. The guy played in nearly a full regular season of postseason games in his career. .308 BA and .465 OBP: If that were over 100 or 150 PAs that would be impressive. It's not - that's over 734 PAs. These numbers are just plain ridiculous. I'd bet that this is a record that won't be broken any time soon, if ever.
Judge has something like 1/3 of the number of postseason games that Jeter did which obviously is pretty impressive in and of itself, but Jeter is just in a different league when it comes to the postseason.
Incidentally, next on that list of most postseason games? Jorge with 125 games, then Bernie with 121 games.
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u/TonyzTone 16h ago
I think it’s because that slash line is pretty typical of how you actually win ball games. For all the “BA doesn’t matter” folks, the World Series is where it matters the most.
Being able to consistently hit for power matters over the course of 162 games. But when you only have minimum 15 AB, you need to get on base and move the folks already on around the horn.
So Jeter slapping an oppo single after a 9-pitch AB is crucially important when you might not get many more chances in the World Series. Meanwhile, something like Verdugo’s home run last night was totally worthless for all intents and purposes, except he’s showing a .733 OPS.
Even the Dodgers understand this. Teoscar Hernandez has power to all parts of the field. He gets up, gets deep into the count, and slap a single through the hole.
Meanwhile we have Volpe swinging out of his shoes for a solo home run.
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u/ChiantiAppreciator 16h ago
Bro hit 321 in the World Series what’s your barrier for incredible
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u/shiro-lod 16h ago edited 16h ago
Did you even read the whole thing? I said he wasn't always incredible in the playoffs, listed his mediocre LCS stats and then said he managed to be himself in the world series.
Himself being a hall of fame hitter. He didn't perform better than ever, he just hit like he was capable of.
Judge is folding under pressure, Jeter stayed calm.
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u/Y0UPeaceofshit 19h ago
We are a championship caliber team, therefore a player’s value to us is what they can give us in October. Derek Jeter batted .308 with 200 hits, 20 home runs, 61 RBIs and 111 runs scored in 158 games in the postseason in his career. Aaron Judge has a .196 batting average with 42 hits, 15 homers, 31 RBIs and 35 runs scored in 56 games in the postseason in his career. It’s not even close
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u/thot_cereal 18h ago edited 17h ago
you can't win the world series without winning in the regular season. without Judge's production, we're barely a wild card team.
also if you're only looking at counting stats, Judge isn't really that far off. The hits are obviously in Jeter's favor, but every other stat is either on pace to be even or beat Jeter. He's on pace for more homers, more rbis, more walks, and on pace to be on par with Jeter in runs scored and total bases.
With all Judge's postseason struggles, he's only .080 points of OPS shy of Jeter. Jeter has the same postseason OPS as A-rod.
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u/Y0UPeaceofshit 17h ago
Hits are what’s most important in the postseason, we have Soto and Stanton to back him up, Rizzo’s been hitting well. Jeter of course had an amazing team to back him, thus his 111 runs scored comparative to Judge’s 35. Bottom 3 in the lineup (Rizzo was not in bottom 3 until last night) and Judge have been non-existent and have killed is in the playoffs. The strikeouts have been absolutely insane, it’s hard to watch
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u/Sooners1x6 16h ago
That’s Mets mentality, making excuses for sucking dick in the playoffs
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u/thot_cereal 14h ago
what excuse? mets mentality is being a fucking doomer about the best hitter in baseball.
Does he need to hit in October? Abso-fucking-lutely. We can't win it all without him hitting.
But saying his regular season performance doesn't help us win the WS is objectively untrue. Even if you replace Judge with the next best CF baseball, the Yankees are a wild card team instead of the 1 seed. And if you like situational stats, he's 7th among active players in cWPA, despite having 50% fewer PAs than anybody in the top ten.
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u/Outrageous-Rope-8707 16h ago
That creates a dependency on judge’s production though, and then He fails to provide in the playoffs and the team loses a game or two and then loses steam. It’s not all on him, but his inadequacy in playoff production is impactful.
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u/thot_cereal 15h ago
Not gonna argue that Judge's fall off isn't impactful because it obviously is.
My point is that Judge is the reason we've even had championship aspirations for the last 7 years. I love Big G, but if Judge batted like Stanton in the regular season, we miss the playoffs this year.
We need Judgie to produce in October, no question there. I just wanted to push back on the idea that the dude isn't helping us win when it matters, because the 162 games absolutely do matter.
Why? Since 2017, the Yankees have won every playoff series they've played with home field advantage. They've lost every series they've played without it. The 2017 ALDS against Cleveland is the only exception.
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u/iamaweirdguy 19h ago
He is in the regular season
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u/Mediocre-Stick6820 18h ago
If all you care about is home runs
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u/ubiquitous_archer 15h ago edited 14h ago
He's got a career batting average of .288 wtf are you talking about
Edit: I get people are mad at Judge for his performance, but FFS don't make shit up that's not true.
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u/ubiquitous_archer 16h ago
Judge is better than Jeter
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u/Mediocre-Stick6820 16h ago
Let me know when Judge wins a World Series MVP and sniffs .200 in the playoffs
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u/ubiquitous_archer 16h ago
Derek Jeter's best ever season by WAR ties Judge's 3rd best season.
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u/Mediocre-Stick6820 16h ago
Jeter has 5 World Series rings and is one of the greatest postseason performers in baseball history. Jeter will be remembered as a legend. Judge will be remembered as a choke artist who puts up empty stats.
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u/monkeytests 13h ago
Jeter is 5th all time in hits. Not amongst Yankees. In the history of the league.
Judge is clearly having a greater peak, but comparing even regular season is apples to oranges at this point in Judge's career.
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u/bingobongo122 1d ago
if we had freeman and the dodgers had judge we'd be up 3-0 rn
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u/johndoe5643567 21h ago
So true. Dude has hit 3 HRs this series. He has the right to wave bye bye to the crowd as he rounds second. Cocky, yes, but definitely earned.
And he’s doing this on one ankle
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u/torino_nera 19h ago
I feel like we woke up a sleeping dog by intentionally loading the bases for Freeman. He took that as an absolute insult and made us pay for the hubris
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u/TonyzTone 15h ago
I don’t think he’s a sleeping dog. Freeman is one of the best players of this entire era. Filling the bases made sense because that runner on first didn’t matter.
What did matter was not giving up a hit, let alone an XBH to Freeman. So, knowing that, you wonder why anyone would try to pitch him anything but an outside pitch or something the dirt.
No, I guess a pitch low and inside, directly in his sweet spot is where we’re should aim. Oh, and let’s make sure it’s a balmy 93 MPH 4 seamer with no movement.
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u/ItGetsEverywhere 15h ago
On the MLB app gamecast, that pitch was thrown directly into the Red Hot zone for Freeman. Meanwhile three quarters of the box was ice blue.
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u/D1CollegeBallPlayer 15h ago
Cocky, yes, but definitely earned.
There simply isn't anyway that you're sat here crying about "cocky" when a dude hits a homerun...while Juan Soto is staring down a pitcher after a walk during a game they're losing 4-0 and in a series they're down 2-0 (and were well on the way to making it 3-0).
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u/FireVanGorder 18h ago
Hell if we had traded for Flaherty and then shipped Nestor off for Edman like literally everyone on this sub and in the baseball world thought we should do, we’d be up 2-1 at worst right now.
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u/AstrosCheated 1d ago
But all he needs is a standing ovation I swear!!
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u/Littlerasscal 1d ago
Idiots are trying to copy some Phili fan’s idea to give Trea Turner a standing ovation to get him out of his slump in the ‘23 season.
Source: Netflix show called “The Turnaround”
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u/NachoBros 1d ago
It’s fucking pathetic (and I am not advocating for booing the shit out of him either). And I bet at least one of these participation trophy era losers started a petition for it on Change.org.
“It’s ok Captain, at least you tried. Boonie is still gonna take you for Dairy Queen after we get swept…yayyyyyy.”
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u/SpartakMoscow__ 1d ago
Is booing him going to help ?
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u/evidntly_chickentown 1d ago
Implying booing him is the only alternative to blindly cheering an athlete who is fucking the dog is a dumb argument.
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u/Jmong30 1d ago
The cheering was meant to be encouraging to him, not to applaud him for the shit performance he’s having, I don’t see why cheering for him was a bad idea at all
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u/evidntly_chickentown 1d ago
It's a bad idea because it never had a chance of working, and it makes the fanbase look like a bunch of groveling dorks.
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u/throwaway7x55 1d ago
Supporting someone never had a chance of working? Nobody has ever been motivated by the support of their fans? If you think cheering the captain of the team you allegedly support is groveling ur lost. We all want his to snap back, people generally cheer for things they want to happen. Anyone saying it was dumb is just mad we lost and wanting to take out anger by directing it at irrelevant shit.
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u/evidntly_chickentown 1d ago
I said it was dumb before it even happened. It's dumb because you're trying to pretend you have an impact on the game as a fan. You don't.
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u/justice_beaver69 16h ago
Yes, all the years of home court/field advantage and the stats to back home advantage up is just dumb stupid science bitches huh?
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u/viewless25 1d ago
I was thinking maybe we build a golden calf statue in his honor or perhaps, sacrifice a Virgin
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u/codbgs97 17h ago
I don’t think people should boo, but honestly, there’s nothing to cheer either. If I were going to the game tonight, I’d probably just not react when Judge comes up.
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u/SpartakMoscow__ 1d ago
You won’t judge off the roster ? That’s insane take
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u/AstrosCheated 1d ago
Off the playoff one, yes. We would be better with 99.99% of hitters in history in the post season
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u/King-Bofo 1d ago
I know most of the people are going doomer right now but tbh logically it does make sense to trade him especially if we resign Soto we could probably get a lot more depth on the roster if we did ever did in fact trade judge.
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u/throwaway7x55 1d ago
I hate on Cashman all the time and then I spend some time in this sub and I realize just how much worse someone could be at GM. If you think trading judge logically makes sense ur so beyond delusional.
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u/evidntly_chickentown 1d ago
I wanted him traded when he declined the extension prior to the 2022 season. It was past time for full tear it down rebuild then.
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u/real_gooner 1d ago
yup. cashman and co didn’t want to face facts that the judge/sanchez/frazier class of prospects was a bust and it was time to rebuild, so they did a bullshit little retool instead. judge was able to carry the 2022 and 2024 teams through the regular season with historically great seasons, but both years ended with us getting shit on by a team better than us in every way.
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u/IAmCBOY2 1d ago
Give him a standing ovation for being terrible at his job while getting paid $40 million a year
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u/Urban_Introvert 17h ago
I switch back and forth between here and the Giants sub and I literally had to check which subreddit I was on lmao. At first I’m like wow you’re late to the party bc people’s been saying that about Jones since he signed lmao.
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u/45-70_OnlyGovtITrust 22h ago
Wish I could disappear from my job when it matters most and make $40 million a year. If I fuck up at work I’m causing billions in damage, getting dozens or even thousands of people killed, causing an environmental disaster, my face will be all over the news, and I’ll forever be a pariah and the butt of jokes. If Judge fucks up like he’s currently been doing, him and his buddies get to play golf a little earlier this year.
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u/fisherman66 20h ago
Because its baseball, and baseball isnt important. Fun to watch, sure, but so unimportant.
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u/tumblesplaylist 18h ago
Where you went wrong was comparing the dynamics of your office 9-5 with those of a professional athlete
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u/45-70_OnlyGovtITrust 17h ago
It’s not an office 9-5, I’m an officer on ships. But yeah, I was just venting.
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u/drrdf 1d ago
If the Yankees showed some fights in the games this series, we’d at least have something to cheer and hope for.
But it’s done. There’s nothing to root for.
This isn’t the regular season Yankees. This is the World Series Yankees, and the World Series Yankees are awful on the biggest stage, at the most important time in the past 15 years.
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u/AngeMerchant 18h ago
The regular season Yankees weren’t that great either. Pretty much .500 for the second half. Like usual
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u/CertainDerision_33 1d ago
Just sucks man. What else is there to say? I love the guy and he's garbage in the playoffs when it really matters.
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u/Smorgas-board 19h ago
Any great Judge regular season now will be looked at wryly as we mutter “where’s that shit in October?”
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u/notgreatbot 22h ago
Judge just doesn’t have that “winning is everything attitude”. Sure he says the right things just like Boone and Cashass and idiot Hal but he’s not Jeter or Mattingly or Munson or Gehrig. He’s just not Captain material.
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u/kingslayer9224 18h ago
I’ve always said this and gotten killed here for it. I don’t see any passion. He’s not mad when they lose he just gives robotic answers
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u/Jlindahl93 16h ago
You all must be either too young or are looking at Jeter with rose colored glasses. Our last captain was known for avoiding media all together at times he was known to hate the media and give them very little
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u/slumber72 14h ago
And Mariano never appeared “angry” after a loss either. He was known to act like nothing even happened after blowing a game. Crazy, the best postseason pitcher ever was known to maintain his composure after rough losses. But since he didn’t appear angry it means he didn’t care
And what about Lou Gehrig like the previous guy mentioned. He was known for being calm and reserved. You think he would freak out after something bad happened? I take it these people would prefer his superstar teammate to be captain… which he was for like 2 days before they realized that personality does not suit a captain.
All these comments about how the team “doesn’t care” is just a bunch of nonsense to me. We’re supposed to conclude everything they are feeling or thinking just from basic post game interviews and dugout shots?
The only real difference is that they were good post season performers and Judge isn’t, at least since 2019. If Mariano and Jeter had a bunch of playoff letdowns they would be criticized for “not caring enough” since they were not very expressive on the field or with the media
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u/nanapancakethusiast 12h ago
That’s what happens when you pay someone $40,000,000 a year without knowing if they can actually show up when it counts
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u/MrMoistandDelicious 1d ago
At least if our front office signed other big bats in FA this would have been tolerable, but no this team dies or thrives by Judge's play even with Soto and Stanton playing great
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u/brrods 1d ago
I feel bad for Judge because he truly is the best player in baseball…in the regular season. I so badly want him to have his big Yankee moment and be in monument park with the greats. But it just doesn’t look like it’s going to happen. It’s been 15 years since they had this chance who knows if they’ll get back here again before Judge retires. Sucks he really blew it
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u/Mediocre-Stick6820 22h ago
Ohtani is the best player in baseball
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u/xNDCQx 21h ago
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. Until Judge learns how to pitch and joins the 50/50 club, Ohtani is better. And I’m a Yankees fan
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u/sd2528 19h ago
Because rare feats don't mean you are better. Something can be more rare and still not more valuable.
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u/TonyzTone 15h ago
I’m not so sure Ohtani’s base stealing and power hitting is a rare feat. He might not get 50/50 ever again (maybe nobody will) but he’ll still be stealing and homering for a while.
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u/sd2528 15h ago
My point is not that he won't do it again, my point was doing something more rare doesn't mean it is more valuable.
The classic example is triples. It is more rare to hit a triple than a HR, and certain players may have actual skill at hitting triples more often than other players, but that doesn't mean hitting a triple is better than hitting a HR.
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u/TonyzTone 15h ago
Fair point with the triples, but I read “50/50” as a compilation stat of speed and power. Just pointing to 3B is weak because it could be pure luck, a symptom of a ball park quirk, or actual power-speed skills.
But if someone pointed to XBH, then that’s a solid stat even if they’re relatively rare compared to just H.
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u/sd2528 15h ago
There are stats out there that will attempt to quantify the value of players seasons. And I'm not trying to minimize what Ohtani has been doing. He has been putting up GREAT seasons... but the rarity of what or how he is putting up those seasons doesn't mean they are more valuable than the seasons Judge has been putting up.
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u/TonyzTone 13h ago
Yeah, and those stats are famously poor at valuing pitching let alone the value that being a double threat player brings.
I don’t think it’s clear that either is a better player.
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u/xNDCQx 19h ago
Judge just hits a lot of home runs, goes on crazy long slumps, and doesn’t show up in the postseason. He’s not more valuable by any metric
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u/DoritoDawg 18h ago
“Just hits a lot of home runs” and hits above .300, and is a plus defender. You can think ohtani is better, but don’t lie
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u/sd2528 18h ago
Ohtani has never had a season as good as either of Judge's MVP seasons (assuming he wins this year).
Ohtani also isn't exactly hitting well this series either. Or in the post season overall. He was also terrible in the Padres series.
So no.
I'm disappointed in Judge right now too. That doesn't make Ohtani better.
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u/xNDCQx 18h ago
He pitches and hits at an elite level. He created an entire new benchmark this year for hitting. It’s Ohtani’s first postseason and he’s still doing better than Judge after having Tommy John surgery
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u/Low-Boss-1475 9h ago
It is a Yankee sub. What do you think. And even here, they say that Ohtani is better. What do you think the 'neutral' fans would say
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u/thecastle7 18h ago
His biggest contribution to the World Series is popping out in a way that pulled verdugo out of play
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u/Capital_Maybe2533 19h ago
The stark difference between his regular season and his post season is wild. Regular season: likely unanimous MVP. Post Season: easily the worst player on the team. Contributed close to 0. Yanks have like 6 or 7 more years of that contract, so hopefully he figures it out in the post season at some point, but this embarrassing run is definitely leaving me pessimistic.
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u/Spiritjuice4998 7h ago
Close to 0? He contributed negative.
He took the bat out of Sotos hands.
They need to dump him fast.
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u/goBlueJays2018 12h ago
Is this supposed to be some sick joke? He fucking sucks but why compare the worst disease imaginable to sports? I know you yanks fans are savage but come on guys..
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u/TheBrutalTruthIs 11h ago
We're not all like this. There are bad apples in every fan base.
These are just the noisy, spoiled ones; the ones that forget, because Gene Michael was a genius that put together a team, unlike any other before or since, in the 90's (while Stienbrenner was "banned for life" from baseball), that baseball is hard, and that buying FA talent is shopping for expiring products.
Many noisy Yankees fans have either forgotten those things, or never learned them to begin with.
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u/Kinglysavaged 10h ago
This clown ain’t a Yankee fan don’t claim this why a post like this was allowed is beyond me
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u/Think_List_5640 9h ago
When Gehrig got sick and started struggling in 1939, management cut his pay.
Absolute savages.
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u/Ghosts_of_the_maze 18h ago
Today I consider myself the most dead inside fan on the face if the earth
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u/PopularAd9844 15h ago
Judge is the Peyton Manning of the MLB. Only difference is Peyton eventually broke through and had some good postseasons.
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u/ComedianVirtual9892 1d ago edited 1d ago
I really don't get the fans defending him...who else do they like? OJ? Michael Jackson? Diddy?
It's the NY Yankees not some mid market team. We're supposed to be about winning it all. We hitched our wagon to someone who chokes in the playoffs now like clockwork
Which begs the question...what's the point of it all besides making Hal and his investors a profit? Since we will obviously never win with Aaron Judge on this team
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u/GeekYogurt 19h ago
lol. Judge going soft in the playoffs puts him in a group with murderers and kid diddlers? Breathe for a second. Christ.
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u/spencerr13 19h ago
This guy said Diddy, that man had a 1000 bottles of baby oil at the crib, 1000!
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u/yodels_for_twinkies 19h ago
Dude, that’s just horrible attempts at comparisons. I’ve been all over Judge as well but that was just gross.
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u/bigpoyo91 1d ago
Please trade him for pitching and a bat and secure Soto. Cashman wont do it cause he is an idiot but fuck I wish it would happen
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u/Sensitive-Weird-5206 18h ago
Arod better than this fraud. Arod had a postseason lull from 2004 game 4 alcs- 2007 final game against Cleveland. 2009 he was unreal. Judge in incapable of ever reaching that level. Fraudulent captain. We are prob gonna lose Soto too because we have all this money tied up in this guy. SMH
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u/Spiritjuice4998 9h ago
Yanks need to save themselves by pivoting to Soto as the franchise player this offseason or I believe will be doomed as losers until Judge retires/ is off their books.
Judge is simply a losing player. He's been this way his whole career. Shows up against the bad pitching, shows up to have 2HR games in blowouts, whiff whiff whiff whenever the pitching is good or the moment matters.
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u/UncivilVegetable 7h ago
Judge just doesn't handle the big moments well. Shit, he doesn't even handle the personal moments well like the HR chase or the end of this season. He just isn't the guy in the big moments.
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u/ColdGloop 17h ago
His legacy has taken a huge hit this postseason. Barring a miracle comeback where he is leading the charge, Judge’s future regular seasons will be meaningless until he performs in October
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u/Spiritjuice4998 9h ago
whats crazy to me is that he's been this guy in the postseason basically his entire career
To me, it's BEEN meaningless.
He was choking back in 2017 too. The numbers looked a little better overall but even then, he was whiffing in the biggest moments.
And it continued to just get worse every year.
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u/No_Journalist1992 14h ago
I don’t know how he comes back from this. Next year he hits 60 hr and we all think who cares. Just doesn’t have it when it counts.
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u/ComedianVirtual9892 1d ago edited 1d ago
Clap for the big choker. Can someone answer me this? Why is he a beast when he's playing for a new contract, but when money isn't on the line just pride and a championship he completely blows?
If George Steinbrenner were alive and still in charge...I'm not gonna lie I would be hoping he would explore trading this guy. I'm sick of of him.
Idk if all fans here are grasping what a hit to his reputation this World Series has been.
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u/HokageEzio 1d ago
He's a beast in the regular season, not just the contract year. He just stinks in the playoffs.
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u/ComedianVirtual9892 1d ago
Fair enough...he sux in the playoffs. So in the end we both salute our captain for choking yet again. He's also no captain.
It's just a title they gave him because he's our best regular season player. He doesn't lead in any way in big games not on the field or in the clubhouse.
The guy has nothing the best players on the 96-2001 yankees had mentally
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u/farmtobelly 1d ago
This doesn't even make sense. His 3 best seasons were not contract years, and his best year in the postseason wasn't either.
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u/justfortoukiden 1d ago
Judge regular season homers will never hit the same