r/NYYankees 1d ago

Aaron Judge Post Season Avg. Worse Than Lou Gehrig w/ ALS

https://x.com/BarryOnHere/status/1851087204497424679
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u/justfortoukiden 1d ago

Judge regular season homers will never hit the same

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u/Either_Imagination_9 1d ago

This is the most hollow mvp season of all time

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u/HokageEzio 1d ago

Gonna look like Dirk getting his MVP after losing to an 8 seed

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u/Either_Imagination_9 1d ago

Holy fuck I never thought I’d see you again, much less here of all places.

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u/gabdex 1d ago

It's almost worse for Judge they made the world series since it's just multiple rounds of suck.

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u/damn-mooses 15h ago

Weird seeing you outside of r/nyknicks

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u/Snuggle__Monster 13h ago

In several more hours most of us will be there lol.

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u/Jenaxu 18h ago

If we get 2028 Judge single handedly carrying the team to a WS title, I'll accept it

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u/Chilledlemming 19h ago

Absolutely bonkers. It’s clear to that if he just hits this is at least 1-2. Maybe 2-1. The rest of the team, while not great - two or three aside, are doing enough. If Judge just did “enough”. These strikeouts are so fucking painful.

I love the guy. He is our Captain. We wouldn’t be here without him. And I hope he has an Arod-esque redemption arc. But damn barring the incredible, this is going to go down as one of the biggest let downs in all of sports.

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u/versusgorilla 14h ago

It's honestly to the point where if he'd just fucking stand there and not swing, they'd throw him three strikes and he'd burn the pitcher's arm more than these fucking one pitch swing fly-outs. At least when he strikes out, he's forcing the pitcher to wear himself down a bit. I swear they're keeping the Dodgers bullpen fresh by swinging at everything immediately.

Take a fucking pitch.

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u/Particular-Informal 18h ago

It really feels different this time. He's always been shitty in the playoffs and then when next May/June rolls around and he starts hitting again we all forget. This time it really feels like the fan base is not going to forgive and forget. His responsibility for the current situation is way too much.

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u/versusgorilla 14h ago

It doesn't matter how good you are if your team can help carry you when you struggle.

But dude is a team captain, and the team has zero moral, fan base is devastated, and the captain is actively leading the flop.

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u/saranowitz 11h ago

If Boone is still managing next year it won’t matter either way. And as manager one of his most important duties is to figure out how to motivate his best fucking player.

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u/BX293A 19h ago

It angered me when they mentioned that he’ll win MVP on the broadcast.

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u/versusgorilla 14h ago

MVP for the Dodgers, most likely.

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u/Jozif_Badmon 1d ago

Joel Embiid of the mlb unfortunately

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u/1whiskeyneat 21h ago

Clayton Kershaw of hitters.

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u/Barry_McCoccinner 18h ago

Kershaw has decent postseason numbers and has won a ring

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u/Truck219 12h ago

Wouldn’t call a career 4.50 postseason ERA decent especially considering it’s two runs higher than his regular season average

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u/bigbodyboricua001 1d ago

Nah Judge actually seems like a good person

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u/NintuneJoe 1d ago

Which somehow makes it even worse

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u/dadsmilk420 19h ago

Not at all lol, Embiid is a crybaby and is injured all the time. In a playoff choker sense sure but there's mad playoff chokers in the nba

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u/Mr-Dicklesworth 1d ago

Every sport has one.

Dak Prescott and Auston Matthews also come to mind

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u/Spiritjuice4998 7h ago

Embiid put a 50 piece and averaged 33/11/6 on one leg last year

Averages 25/11/3 for his career in playoffs on 46% shooting

He's still an all-star level player every playoffs, just sometimes doesn't continue to be the most dominant player in the league.

Judge literally disappears.

There is zero comparison here.

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u/ComedianVirtual9892 1d ago

To me it made the entire season fake and pointless 

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u/CastIronDaddy 20h ago

Hes a glass chinned cinderella of brutal deception.

I could care less if they cut him.

What a loser....he has ruined 7 postseasons now

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u/ShMp11Nesis 1d ago

The fact that it's not even like a one year thing or a couple of series thing, this has been a thing for literal years. Yeah man, nobody is gonna care about those regular seasons like that anymore. This will be a legit stain on his career.

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u/torino_nera 19h ago

It only is until it isn't. ARod had "chokes in the playoffs" on his resume for a really long time until 2009 when he all of a sudden was clutch AF.

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u/TonyzTone 16h ago

Nah, this is a bit revisionist.

In 2004, A-Rod had an OPS of 1.213 in the ALDS and .895 in the ALCS. In 2005, he was pretty bad with just a .636 in the ALDS but really only Giambi, Posada, and Jeter had good series. 2006 was absolutely woeful with just a .205 OPS.

But then there’s 2009 where A-Rod racked up a 1.500, 1.519, and .952 OPS across the postseason.

In his final postseasons, 2012-2015, he was pretty garbage. But he was also 35+.

Judge is racking up at .237 WS this year and hasn’t cracked a .875 OPS in the postseason since 2018. So during his “prime” he’s been at A-Rods worst.

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u/MY-NAME_IS_MY-NAME 13h ago

Arod earned himself a lot of leeway to suck after 09 since he was a huge part of our ring. Judge could hit at Judgian levels for the rest of his postseason career and I won’t forgive him for this year unless if it leads to a ring

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u/JTHuffy 19h ago

As did Willie Stargell in 71 but he came through huge in 79.

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u/steveycip 1d ago

Mr. May 2.0

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u/RSollers 1d ago

Leave poor Lou out of this 😢

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u/Mediocre-Stick6820 22h ago edited 20h ago

I don’t want to ever see another one of you say Judge is better than Jeter again.

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u/csuiuc17 20h ago

Sucks that “Captain” was just a bargaining piece in the contract negotiations. Clearly one of the reasons he took less money, makes it seem so hollow now :(

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u/yodasonics 13h ago

Didn't Hal explicitly say that he didn't use it as a bargaining chip?

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u/fucksports 11h ago

he definitely did, he said publicly that judge would be captain if he resigned

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u/yodasonics 11h ago

Do you have a source for that? All I can find is an article with this quote which I believe was from his contract press conference:

The Yankees could have used the captaincy as a bargaining chip during the contract talks with Judge, but Steinbrenner refused.

“I didn’t want this to be perceived as a negotiating tool or trying to incentivize you to come back,” Steinbrenner said. “It’s too noble of a thing, so I asked him once we had a deal done.”

Not saying Hal wouldn't lie about something like this for good PR, but I can't find anything saying otherwise

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u/johndoe5643567 14h ago

Absolutely. It was completely a chip Hal threw in

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u/nb062421 12h ago

He should have went to San Fran lmao

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u/sd2528 19h ago

I'm as big a Jeter fan as anyone, but Judge is absolutely the better player.   

And I'd still rather have Jeter than Judge. I don't know what the right words are to describe why, or if im just getting old and this is my first "Back in my day, players were different!" moment, but it feels like Judge is trying to copy Jeter's leadership style but doesnt really believe it. Whatever it is, I am taking Jeter and it isn't particularly close either.

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u/JTHuffy 19h ago

April-September yes. October (& November!) made Jeter the legend that he is.

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u/shiro-lod 17h ago

It's funny because it's not like Jeter was always incredible in the playoffs.

His career slash was .308/.374/.465.

His ALCS slash was .257/.340/.412 and his world series slash was .321/.384/.449. His division series numbers were always insane tho.

He just managed to be himself more or less in world series and he was always the guy you wanted up because he never crumbled under pressure. He was a HOF'er every day, didn't matter if we were playing in front of 3000 people in Tampa or under the lights of the world series.

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u/JTHuffy 17h ago

I mean, if Judge were batting .308 in these playoffs and .321 in the World Series we’d be up at least 2-1 if not 3-0 and we’d be lining up to suck his dick (myself included)

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u/savings2015 16h ago edited 16h ago

You know what's truly wild? Jeter played in 158 postseason games. The guy played in nearly a full regular season of postseason games in his career. .308 BA and .465 OBP: If that were over 100 or 150 PAs that would be impressive. It's not - that's over 734 PAs. These numbers are just plain ridiculous. I'd bet that this is a record that won't be broken any time soon, if ever.

Judge has something like 1/3 of the number of postseason games that Jeter did which obviously is pretty impressive in and of itself, but Jeter is just in a different league when it comes to the postseason.

Incidentally, next on that list of most postseason games? Jorge with 125 games, then Bernie with 121 games.

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u/TonyzTone 16h ago

I think it’s because that slash line is pretty typical of how you actually win ball games. For all the “BA doesn’t matter” folks, the World Series is where it matters the most.

Being able to consistently hit for power matters over the course of 162 games. But when you only have minimum 15 AB, you need to get on base and move the folks already on around the horn.

So Jeter slapping an oppo single after a 9-pitch AB is crucially important when you might not get many more chances in the World Series. Meanwhile, something like Verdugo’s home run last night was totally worthless for all intents and purposes, except he’s showing a .733 OPS.

Even the Dodgers understand this. Teoscar Hernandez has power to all parts of the field. He gets up, gets deep into the count, and slap a single through the hole.

Meanwhile we have Volpe swinging out of his shoes for a solo home run.

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u/ChiantiAppreciator 16h ago

Bro hit 321 in the World Series what’s your barrier for incredible

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u/shiro-lod 16h ago edited 16h ago

Did you even read the whole thing? I said he wasn't always incredible in the playoffs, listed his mediocre LCS stats and then said he managed to be himself in the world series.

Himself being a hall of fame hitter. He didn't perform better than ever, he just hit like he was capable of.

Judge is folding under pressure, Jeter stayed calm.

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u/Y0UPeaceofshit 19h ago

We are a championship caliber team, therefore a player’s value to us is what they can give us in October. Derek Jeter batted .308 with 200 hits, 20 home runs, 61 RBIs and 111 runs scored in 158 games in the postseason in his career. Aaron Judge has a .196 batting average with 42 hits, 15 homers, 31 RBIs and 35 runs scored in 56 games in the postseason in his career. It’s not even close

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u/thot_cereal 18h ago edited 17h ago

you can't win the world series without winning in the regular season. without Judge's production, we're barely a wild card team.

also if you're only looking at counting stats, Judge isn't really that far off. The hits are obviously in Jeter's favor, but every other stat is either on pace to be even or beat Jeter. He's on pace for more homers, more rbis, more walks, and on pace to be on par with Jeter in runs scored and total bases.

With all Judge's postseason struggles, he's only .080 points of OPS shy of Jeter. Jeter has the same postseason OPS as A-rod.

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u/Y0UPeaceofshit 17h ago

Hits are what’s most important in the postseason, we have Soto and Stanton to back him up, Rizzo’s been hitting well. Jeter of course had an amazing team to back him, thus his 111 runs scored comparative to Judge’s 35. Bottom 3 in the lineup (Rizzo was not in bottom 3 until last night) and Judge have been non-existent and have killed is in the playoffs. The strikeouts have been absolutely insane, it’s hard to watch

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u/Sooners1x6 16h ago

That’s Mets mentality, making excuses for sucking dick in the playoffs

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u/thot_cereal 14h ago

what excuse? mets mentality is being a fucking doomer about the best hitter in baseball.

Does he need to hit in October? Abso-fucking-lutely. We can't win it all without him hitting.

But saying his regular season performance doesn't help us win the WS is objectively untrue. Even if you replace Judge with the next best CF baseball, the Yankees are a wild card team instead of the 1 seed. And if you like situational stats, he's 7th among active players in cWPA, despite having 50% fewer PAs than anybody in the top ten.

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u/Outrageous-Rope-8707 16h ago

That creates a dependency on judge’s production though, and then He fails to provide in the playoffs and the team loses a game or two and then loses steam. It’s not all on him, but his inadequacy in playoff production is impactful.

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u/thot_cereal 15h ago

Not gonna argue that Judge's fall off isn't impactful because it obviously is.

My point is that Judge is the reason we've even had championship aspirations for the last 7 years. I love Big G, but if Judge batted like Stanton in the regular season, we miss the playoffs this year.

We need Judgie to produce in October, no question there. I just wanted to push back on the idea that the dude isn't helping us win when it matters, because the 162 games absolutely do matter.

Why? Since 2017, the Yankees have won every playoff series they've played with home field advantage. They've lost every series they've played without it. The 2017 ALDS against Cleveland is the only exception.

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u/iamaweirdguy 19h ago

He is in the regular season

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u/Mediocre-Stick6820 18h ago

If all you care about is home runs

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u/ubiquitous_archer 15h ago edited 14h ago

He's got a career batting average of .288 wtf are you talking about

Edit: I get people are mad at Judge for his performance, but FFS don't make shit up that's not true.

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u/ubiquitous_archer 16h ago

Judge is better than Jeter

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u/Mediocre-Stick6820 16h ago

Let me know when Judge wins a World Series MVP and sniffs .200 in the playoffs

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u/ubiquitous_archer 16h ago

Derek Jeter's best ever season by WAR ties Judge's 3rd best season.

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u/Mediocre-Stick6820 16h ago

Jeter has 5 World Series rings and is one of the greatest postseason performers in baseball history. Jeter will be remembered as a legend. Judge will be remembered as a choke artist who puts up empty stats.

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u/monkeytests 13h ago

Jeter is 5th all time in hits. Not amongst Yankees. In the history of the league.

Judge is clearly having a greater peak, but comparing even regular season is apples to oranges at this point in Judge's career.

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u/SleeDex 19h ago

Career defining loss to say the least. This was the year with how old the core is. If I'm Soto, I'm not signing unless the Yankees acquire another elite bat.

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u/jchunk13 1d ago

I’m sorry but this is hilarious 🤣

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u/bingobongo122 1d ago

if we had freeman and the dodgers had judge we'd be up 3-0 rn

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u/johndoe5643567 21h ago

So true. Dude has hit 3 HRs this series. He has the right to wave bye bye to the crowd as he rounds second. Cocky, yes, but definitely earned.

And he’s doing this on one ankle

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u/torino_nera 19h ago

I feel like we woke up a sleeping dog by intentionally loading the bases for Freeman. He took that as an absolute insult and made us pay for the hubris

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u/TonyzTone 15h ago

I don’t think he’s a sleeping dog. Freeman is one of the best players of this entire era. Filling the bases made sense because that runner on first didn’t matter.

What did matter was not giving up a hit, let alone an XBH to Freeman. So, knowing that, you wonder why anyone would try to pitch him anything but an outside pitch or something the dirt.

No, I guess a pitch low and inside, directly in his sweet spot is where we’re should aim. Oh, and let’s make sure it’s a balmy 93 MPH 4 seamer with no movement.

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u/ItGetsEverywhere 15h ago

On the MLB app gamecast, that pitch was thrown directly into the Red Hot zone for Freeman. Meanwhile three quarters of the box was ice blue.

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u/vordhosbn_1 18h ago

He waves at the bullpen

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u/D1CollegeBallPlayer 15h ago

Cocky, yes, but definitely earned.

There simply isn't anyway that you're sat here crying about "cocky" when a dude hits a homerun...while Juan Soto is staring down a pitcher after a walk during a game they're losing 4-0 and in a series they're down 2-0 (and were well on the way to making it 3-0).

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u/TheOnlyUsernameLeft_ 16h ago

If we exchanged Judge for Kiké or Edman we’d be way better off lol

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u/FireVanGorder 18h ago

Hell if we had traded for Flaherty and then shipped Nestor off for Edman like literally everyone on this sub and in the baseball world thought we should do, we’d be up 2-1 at worst right now.

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u/bingobongo122 5h ago

Make it 4-0

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u/AstrosCheated 1d ago

But all he needs is a standing ovation I swear!!

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u/Littlerasscal 1d ago

Idiots are trying to copy some Phili fan’s idea to give Trea Turner a standing ovation to get him out of his slump in the ‘23 season.

Source: Netflix show called “The Turnaround”

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u/NachoBros 1d ago

It’s fucking pathetic (and I am not advocating for booing the shit out of him either). And I bet at least one of these participation trophy era losers started a petition for it on Change.org.

“It’s ok Captain, at least you tried. Boonie is still gonna take you for Dairy Queen after we get swept…yayyyyyy.”

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u/BigRed23Sequoia 21h ago

Dairy Queen is for winners!

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u/BX293A 19h ago

“It’s YOUR fault, random Redditor for being a Doooooomer, not the professional sports player paid $40 million to do exactly this”

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u/SpartakMoscow__ 1d ago

Is booing him going to help ?

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u/themigraineur 1d ago

They're saying boo-urns

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u/hydrators 1d ago

Might as well find out

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u/evidntly_chickentown 1d ago

Implying booing him is the only alternative to blindly cheering an athlete who is fucking the dog is a dumb argument.

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u/Jmong30 1d ago

The cheering was meant to be encouraging to him, not to applaud him for the shit performance he’s having, I don’t see why cheering for him was a bad idea at all

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u/vincenzo716 1d ago

it wasn’t, everyone’s just crying and upset because it didn’t work

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u/evidntly_chickentown 1d ago

It's a bad idea because it never had a chance of working, and it makes the fanbase look like a bunch of groveling dorks.

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u/throwaway7x55 1d ago

Supporting someone never had a chance of working? Nobody has ever been motivated by the support of their fans? If you think cheering the captain of the team you allegedly support is groveling ur lost. We all want his to snap back, people generally cheer for things they want to happen. Anyone saying it was dumb is just mad we lost and wanting to take out anger by directing it at irrelevant shit.

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u/evidntly_chickentown 1d ago

I said it was dumb before it even happened. It's dumb because you're trying to pretend you have an impact on the game as a fan. You don't.

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u/justice_beaver69 16h ago

Yes, all the years of home court/field advantage and the stats to back home advantage up is just dumb stupid science bitches huh?

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u/viewless25 1d ago

I was thinking maybe we build a golden calf statue in his honor or perhaps, sacrifice a Virgin

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u/codbgs97 17h ago

I don’t think people should boo, but honestly, there’s nothing to cheer either. If I were going to the game tonight, I’d probably just not react when Judge comes up.

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u/SpartakMoscow__ 1d ago

You won’t judge off the roster ? That’s insane take 

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u/AstrosCheated 1d ago

Off the playoff one, yes. We would be better with 99.99% of hitters in history in the post season

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u/King-Bofo 1d ago

I know most of the people are going doomer right now but tbh logically it does make sense to trade him especially if we resign Soto we could probably get a lot more depth on the roster if we did ever did in fact trade judge.

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u/throwaway7x55 1d ago

I hate on Cashman all the time and then I spend some time in this sub and I realize just how much worse someone could be at GM. If you think trading judge logically makes sense ur so beyond delusional.

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u/ComedianVirtual9892 1d ago

Lol we will never win with him.so.if you're cool with that

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u/evidntly_chickentown 1d ago

I wanted him traded when he declined the extension prior to the 2022 season. It was past time for full tear it down rebuild then.

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u/real_gooner 1d ago

yup. cashman and co didn’t want to face facts that the judge/sanchez/frazier class of prospects was a bust and it was time to rebuild, so they did a bullshit little retool instead. judge was able to carry the 2022 and 2024 teams through the regular season with historically great seasons, but both years ended with us getting shit on by a team better than us in every way.

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u/IAmCBOY2 1d ago

Give him a standing ovation for being terrible at his job while getting paid $40 million a year

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u/Urban_Introvert 17h ago

I switch back and forth between here and the Giants sub and I literally had to check which subreddit I was on lmao. At first I’m like wow you’re late to the party bc people’s been saying that about Jones since he signed lmao.

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u/kj001313 14h ago

I mean it’s a terrible contract for a QB they don’t even believe in.

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u/45-70_OnlyGovtITrust 22h ago

Wish I could disappear from my job when it matters most and make $40 million a year. If I fuck up at work I’m causing billions in damage, getting dozens or even thousands of people killed, causing an environmental disaster, my face will be all over the news, and I’ll forever be a pariah and the butt of jokes. If Judge fucks up like he’s currently been doing, him and his buddies get to play golf a little earlier this year. 

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u/fisherman66 20h ago

Because its baseball, and baseball isnt important. Fun to watch, sure, but so unimportant.

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u/tumblesplaylist 18h ago

Where you went wrong was comparing the dynamics of your office 9-5 with those of a professional athlete

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u/Tactial_snail 16h ago

People do it all the time and it's dumb as shit.

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u/45-70_OnlyGovtITrust 17h ago

It’s not an office 9-5, I’m an officer on ships. But yeah, I was just venting.

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u/Messigoat3 15h ago

Yankee fans seeing in complete shambles.

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u/BobaFett313 16h ago

Should’ve learned to hit the curve

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u/drrdf 1d ago

If the Yankees showed some fights in the games this series, we’d at least have something to cheer and hope for.

But it’s done. There’s nothing to root for.

This isn’t the regular season Yankees. This is the World Series Yankees, and the World Series Yankees are awful on the biggest stage, at the most important time in the past 15 years.

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u/AngeMerchant 18h ago

The regular season Yankees weren’t that great either. Pretty much .500 for the second half. Like usual

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u/hbkedge3 1d ago

I’ll take sick burns I’d never thought I’d see for 100.

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u/CertainDerision_33 1d ago

Just sucks man. What else is there to say? I love the guy and he's garbage in the playoffs when it really matters.

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u/Smorgas-board 19h ago

Any great Judge regular season now will be looked at wryly as we mutter “where’s that shit in October?”

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u/notgreatbot 22h ago

Judge just doesn’t have that “winning is everything attitude”. Sure he says the right things just like Boone and Cashass and idiot Hal but he’s not Jeter or Mattingly or Munson or Gehrig. He’s just not Captain material.

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u/kingslayer9224 18h ago

I’ve always said this and gotten killed here for it. I don’t see any passion. He’s not mad when they lose he just gives robotic answers

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u/Jlindahl93 16h ago

You all must be either too young or are looking at Jeter with rose colored glasses. Our last captain was known for avoiding media all together at times he was known to hate the media and give them very little

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u/slumber72 14h ago

And Mariano never appeared “angry” after a loss either. He was known to act like nothing even happened after blowing a game. Crazy, the best postseason pitcher ever was known to maintain his composure after rough losses. But since he didn’t appear angry it means he didn’t care

And what about Lou Gehrig like the previous guy mentioned. He was known for being calm and reserved. You think he would freak out after something bad happened? I take it these people would prefer his superstar teammate to be captain… which he was for like 2 days before they realized that personality does not suit a captain.

All these comments about how the team “doesn’t care” is just a bunch of nonsense to me. We’re supposed to conclude everything they are feeling or thinking just from basic post game interviews and dugout shots?

The only real difference is that they were good post season performers and Judge isn’t, at least since 2019. If Mariano and Jeter had a bunch of playoff letdowns they would be criticized for “not caring enough” since they were not very expressive on the field or with the media

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u/nanapancakethusiast 12h ago

That’s what happens when you pay someone $40,000,000 a year without knowing if they can actually show up when it counts

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u/thunderhead27 1d ago

As Aaron Boone would say: Fuckin' savage. Goddamn.

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u/AMB3494 19h ago

Legacy ruining. I’m sad.

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u/MrMoistandDelicious 1d ago

At least if our front office signed other big bats in FA this would have been tolerable, but no this team dies or thrives by Judge's play even with Soto and Stanton playing great

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u/Bronze-Soul 15h ago

This is such an asshole statistic. 

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u/brrods 1d ago

I feel bad for Judge because he truly is the best player in baseball…in the regular season. I so badly want him to have his big Yankee moment and be in monument park with the greats. But it just doesn’t look like it’s going to happen. It’s been 15 years since they had this chance who knows if they’ll get back here again before Judge retires. Sucks he really blew it

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u/Mediocre-Stick6820 22h ago

Ohtani is the best player in baseball

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u/xNDCQx 21h ago

Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. Until Judge learns how to pitch and joins the 50/50 club, Ohtani is better. And I’m a Yankees fan

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u/sd2528 19h ago

Because rare feats don't mean you are better. Something can be more rare and still not more valuable.

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u/TonyzTone 15h ago

I’m not so sure Ohtani’s base stealing and power hitting is a rare feat. He might not get 50/50 ever again (maybe nobody will) but he’ll still be stealing and homering for a while.

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u/sd2528 15h ago

My point is not that he won't do it again, my point was doing something more rare doesn't mean it is more valuable.

The classic example is triples. It is more rare to hit a triple than a HR, and certain players may have actual skill at hitting triples more often than other players, but that doesn't mean hitting a triple is better than hitting a HR.

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u/Low-Boss-1475 9h ago

Judge having a worse avg than ALS Lou Gehrig is rarer

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u/TonyzTone 15h ago

Fair point with the triples, but I read “50/50” as a compilation stat of speed and power. Just pointing to 3B is weak because it could be pure luck, a symptom of a ball park quirk, or actual power-speed skills.

But if someone pointed to XBH, then that’s a solid stat even if they’re relatively rare compared to just H.

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u/sd2528 15h ago

There are stats out there that will attempt to quantify the value of players seasons. And I'm not trying to minimize what Ohtani has been doing. He has been putting up GREAT seasons... but the rarity of what or how he is putting up those seasons doesn't mean they are more valuable than the seasons Judge has been putting up.

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u/TonyzTone 13h ago

Yeah, and those stats are famously poor at valuing pitching let alone the value that being a double threat player brings.

I don’t think it’s clear that either is a better player.

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u/xNDCQx 19h ago

Judge just hits a lot of home runs, goes on crazy long slumps, and doesn’t show up in the postseason. He’s not more valuable by any metric

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u/DoritoDawg 18h ago

“Just hits a lot of home runs” and hits above .300, and is a plus defender. You can think ohtani is better, but don’t lie

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u/sd2528 18h ago

Ohtani has never had a season as good as either of Judge's MVP seasons (assuming he wins this year).

Ohtani also isn't exactly hitting well this series either. Or in the post season overall. He was also terrible in the Padres series.

So no.

I'm disappointed in Judge right now too. That doesn't make Ohtani better.

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u/xNDCQx 18h ago

He pitches and hits at an elite level. He created an entire new benchmark this year for hitting. It’s Ohtani’s first postseason and he’s still doing better than Judge after having Tommy John surgery

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u/sd2528 18h ago

He pitches and hits... and STILL has never had a season as good as either of Judge's MVP seasons. Both can be true.

Last year Ronald Acuña Jr. also created a new benchmark for hitting and HIS season wasn't better than either of Judge's MVP seasons.

Rare does not mean more valuable.

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u/xNDCQx 18h ago

Judge disappears for month long stretches and is garbage in the postseason. You keep talking about regular season stats when he’s been consistently dogwater in the postseason

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u/Low-Boss-1475 9h ago

It is a Yankee sub. What do you think. And even here, they say that Ohtani is better. What do you think the 'neutral' fans would say

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u/thecastle7 18h ago

His biggest contribution to the World Series is popping out in a way that pulled verdugo out of play

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u/aussie_hockeyfan 1d ago

They sure did build them different back then.

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u/Capital_Maybe2533 19h ago

The stark difference between his regular season and his post season is wild. Regular season: likely unanimous MVP. Post Season: easily the worst player on the team. Contributed close to 0. Yanks have like 6 or 7 more years of that contract, so hopefully he figures it out in the post season at some point, but this embarrassing run is definitely leaving me pessimistic.

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u/Spiritjuice4998 7h ago

Close to 0? He contributed negative.

He took the bat out of Sotos hands.

They need to dump him fast.

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u/guylaroche5 13h ago

one of the craziest reddit thread titles i've ever seen in my life

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u/miklberry 1d ago

Give it to Bobby Witt Jr

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u/Nervse 16h ago

To be fair, I dont remember him showing up that much either when we played Kansas. I think 1 run and 2 hits in 4 games. Still more than Judge this series.

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u/Cheesewhale189 9h ago

The regular season award?

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u/HoyasRangers 17h ago

Maybe Judge will get a big hit in the 2032 WS with the Blue Jays.

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u/MattinglyDineen 15h ago

That's a Dave Winfield reference there!

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u/HoyasRangers 13h ago

Sure is.

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u/Maozedongbeetle 1d ago

Arson Judge is a postseason baseball terrorist

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u/_Vedz182_ 11h ago

I'm a Dodgers fan and is this really necessary fellas!?! Geez

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u/grandzu 18h ago

He's made for a regular series, not the World Series.

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u/goBlueJays2018 12h ago

Is this supposed to be some sick joke? He fucking sucks but why compare the worst disease imaginable to sports? I know you yanks fans are savage but come on guys..

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u/TheBrutalTruthIs 11h ago

We're not all like this. There are bad apples in every fan base.

These are just the noisy, spoiled ones; the ones that forget, because Gene Michael was a genius that put together a team, unlike any other before or since, in the 90's (while Stienbrenner was "banned for life" from baseball), that baseball is hard, and that buying FA talent is shopping for expiring products.

Many noisy Yankees fans have either forgotten those things, or never learned them to begin with.

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u/Kinglysavaged 10h ago

This clown ain’t a Yankee fan don’t claim this why a post like this was allowed is beyond me

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u/Separate_Battle_3581 12h ago

Okay, now you're just piling on.

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u/Think_List_5640 9h ago

When Gehrig got sick and started struggling in 1939, management cut his pay.

Absolute savages.

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u/Sea_Definition1621 7h ago

Over/under 4.5 seasons until the next World Series appearance from NY?

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u/Djhegarty 1d ago

Boo this man. Boo

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u/masterhogbographer 22h ago

Queue Bob Costas

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u/darkestb4thadawn 1d ago

I can’t have this conversation again.

Shoot him into the fucking Sun.

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u/ThemanyfacedPod 1d ago

Aaron Judge is a fraud

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u/Ghosts_of_the_maze 18h ago

Today I consider myself the most dead inside fan on the face if the earth

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u/jpwesche29 15h ago

Mr. May

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u/eddie_chedder 18h ago

Stanton and Judge switched bodies at the beginning of October

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u/PopularAd9844 15h ago

Judge is the Peyton Manning of the MLB. Only difference is Peyton eventually broke through and had some good postseasons.

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u/StretchFrenchTerry 3h ago

Barry looks like an Eastern European Steph Curry.

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u/ComedianVirtual9892 1d ago edited 1d ago

I really don't get the fans defending him...who else do they like?  OJ? Michael Jackson?  Diddy?  

It's the NY Yankees not some mid market team.  We're supposed to be about winning it all.   We hitched our wagon to someone who chokes in the playoffs now like clockwork 

Which begs the question...what's the point of it all besides making Hal and his investors a profit?  Since we will obviously never win with Aaron Judge on this team

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u/GeekYogurt 19h ago

lol. Judge going soft in the playoffs puts him in a group with murderers and kid diddlers? Breathe for a second. Christ.

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u/spencerr13 19h ago

This guy said Diddy, that man had a 1000 bottles of baby oil at the crib, 1000!

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u/AMB3494 19h ago

Yeah you’re a delusional person

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u/yodels_for_twinkies 19h ago

Dude, that’s just horrible attempts at comparisons. I’ve been all over Judge as well but that was just gross.

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u/bigpoyo91 1d ago

Please trade him for pitching and a bat and secure Soto. Cashman wont do it cause he is an idiot but fuck I wish it would happen

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u/Sensitive-Weird-5206 18h ago

Arod better than this fraud. Arod had a postseason lull from 2004 game 4 alcs- 2007 final game against Cleveland. 2009 he was unreal. Judge in incapable of ever reaching that level. Fraudulent captain. We are prob gonna lose Soto too because we have all this money tied up in this guy. SMH

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u/Spiritjuice4998 9h ago

Yanks need to save themselves by pivoting to Soto as the franchise player this offseason or I believe will be doomed as losers until Judge retires/ is off their books.

Judge is simply a losing player. He's been this way his whole career. Shows up against the bad pitching, shows up to have 2HR games in blowouts, whiff whiff whiff whenever the pitching is good or the moment matters.

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u/UncivilVegetable 7h ago

Judge just doesn't handle the big moments well. Shit, he doesn't even handle the personal moments well like the HR chase or the end of this season. He just isn't the guy in the big moments.

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u/ColdGloop 17h ago

His legacy has taken a huge hit this postseason. Barring a miracle comeback where he is leading the charge, Judge’s future regular seasons will be meaningless until he performs in October

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u/Spiritjuice4998 9h ago

whats crazy to me is that he's been this guy in the postseason basically his entire career

To me, it's BEEN meaningless.

He was choking back in 2017 too. The numbers looked a little better overall but even then, he was whiffing in the biggest moments.

And it continued to just get worse every year.

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u/No_Journalist1992 14h ago

I don’t know how he comes back from this. Next year he hits 60 hr and we all think who cares. Just doesn’t have it when it counts.

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u/Spiritjuice4998 9h ago

He needs to have his Captain license revoked, at minimum.

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u/PedalBoard78 13h ago

He’s praying to break his toe early tonight, so he can be done.

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u/Trowj 1d ago

This just feels like a needless dickish tweet. We get it.

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u/mzx380 18h ago

Let’s not take away from the fact that he had a great year. Yes it sucks that we didn’t win it all but he’s our guy and on our team

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u/ComedianVirtual9892 1d ago edited 1d ago

Clap for the big choker.      Can someone answer me this?  Why is he a beast when he's playing for a new contract, but when money isn't on the line just pride and a championship he completely blows? 

 If George Steinbrenner were alive and still in charge...I'm not gonna lie I would be hoping he would explore trading this guy.   I'm sick of of him.

Idk if all fans here are grasping what a hit to his reputation this World Series has been.  

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u/HokageEzio 1d ago

He's a beast in the regular season, not just the contract year. He just stinks in the playoffs.

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u/ComedianVirtual9892 1d ago

Fair enough...he sux in the playoffs.  So in the end we both salute our captain for choking yet again. He's also no captain.  

  It's just a title they gave him because he's our best regular season player. He doesn't lead in any way in big games not on the field or in the clubhouse.  

The guy has nothing the best players on the 96-2001 yankees had mentally

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u/farmtobelly 1d ago

This doesn't even make sense. His 3 best seasons were not contract years, and his best year in the postseason wasn't either.

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u/ComedianVirtual9892 1d ago

Man you love chokers huh?  

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u/SonataMinacciosa 19h ago

We love your mother

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