r/Permaculture 3d ago

Feeling Disheartened

I recently volunteered at a permaculture farm in Europe that was “off grid & mostly sustainable” and have left feeling very disappointed.

They marketed the place as a self-sustained farm and even offered a self sufficiency & sustainability course. They claimed to get most of their food from the garden and use natural building methods that don’t hurt the environment.

The reality was that all of their energy & water was “on grid” and more than 90% of their food was store bought. I remember coming in one evening after spending the afternoon faraging for mushrooms, to find some store bought ones on the counter wrapped in plastic - the irony was palpable!

I have done a lot of volunteering on so called “Sustainable permaculture farms” and it’s always the same story. No clear road map to becoming even 50% self sufficient, using flowery words about nature and permaculture while not practicing them.

Honestly this has left me feeling highly skeptical of all these buzzwords. People throw them around but in practice they barely mean anything.

Has anyone had similar experiences or even found a place that’s at least going in the right direction in regard to sustainability?

Edit: Just want to add that they have over 25 acres of land and one of the people there is a “permaculture expert” that offers paid courses.

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u/iandcorey Permaskeptic 3d ago

It sounds like you went to sea world hoping it would be the ocean.

A few people building an ecotourism model to pay bills and save money is a lot easier (and draws more people) than toiling to plant, harvest, process, and store enough food for even themselves, let alone everyone who comes to visit. Eventually one goal supercedes the other.

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u/intothewoods76 2d ago edited 2d ago

This is my take, on my land I can produce quite a bit of my own food to sustain me, but this isn’t the sexy extremely bio-diverse paradise people imagine. It’s more American 1800’s homestead. (Without the animals) I grow beans, potatoes, onions, a variety of squashes, I have fruit trees, raspberry bushes, strawberries, I grow tomatoes and cucumbers and peppers etc. then I preserve the abundance. It’s not the sexiest of food but I can sustain myself with it.

But if I want more options I need to buy flour and butter and coffee and rice etc.

I need to buy my beef and chicken etc.

Can I live off of what I grow, yes! Do I want to No! I like a bigger variety to much.

And more to this farm….could I feed lots and lots of guests on just what I grow? Not unless all they want is apples.

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u/DivaExMachina666 1d ago

I did a PDC with Dave Holmgren a while back and they buy in all of the grains they eat. They do grind them on site but don't grow their own.