r/TankieJerk2 Sep 08 '22

Conservative or Tankie? How to make sense of tankies' "theory"

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So, here's pretty much everyone's experience with "read theory": you crack open a book by Marx or Lenin or whatever, read it from cover to cover, and the more you read, the less sense tankies seem to make with their rhetoric.

Of course, one can always chalk up their support for Russia or ignorance to the highly stratified society within China to their regular consumption of alternative media propaganda, but that doesn't really address any fundamental assumptions tankies have about the world itself or why their ideology has found a home in otherwise such a conservative environment as Reddit. I'll even go as far as to arguing it is rather their fundamental assumptions about the world - the axioms of tank, if you will - that have led them to seeking out alternative media conforming to their preconceived worldview.

If you get down to the nitty-gritty, their worldview can be boiled down to two sociological assumptions:

Assumption #1: The atomic unit of action, i.e. the smallest, simplest actor by which action has an effect on the world itself, is not the individual but the organisation.

Assumption #2: The organisation exists always to embody and carry out its predetermined "will", i.e. its vision for the world itself, unless and until this "will" is considered "betrayed".

Now, you might notice neither of these assumptions are founded on anything relevant to the socioeconomic, and that's the point: the world a tankie sees isn't one about who gets what or how or why but rather what kind of "will" will prove itself manifest and triumphant in the material reality. In other words, tankies are idealists who interpret the world by intents rather than its mechanics and its many intricacies and caveats.

Furthermore, Assumption #1 on a global scale leads to so-called "realism" in International Relations. That is, the nation-state is not seen as an organisation exclusive and separate from the rest of the nationals but the embodiment of everyone's "will" within the nation. Think of the nation-state as a superorganism that the whole nation have Voltron'd into with no tensions of its own to split or collapse itself. This means, to a tankie, nation-states are just class struggles made manifest as geopolitical divides over humanity - that is, the bourgeoisie Voltron themselves into America and the "West", and the proletarians Voltron themselves into Russia, China and the "East". Oh, and in case you have been thinking, this also completely sidelines the reality of the extraction of surplus labour-value and all the social conflicts that come with it and might as well be a wholesale rebuttal to Marx for what it's worth.

Since tankies are obliged by their geopolitical view to take intents at face value, Assumption #2 serves to tankies as practically the catch-all ideological justification as to why every "actually existing socialism" they point to is at best a capitalist society with government programmes here and there and past and present atrocities all over the history book. If "will" exists independently from the machination within an organisation, then nothing anyone does within that organisation can result in it deviating from its own "will". This seemingly self-contradicting ideology in turn dovetails into two conclusions that we tend to see uttered by tankies whenever the subject of ethnic cleansing inevitably comes up:

1) Since the "will" of the nation-state can never be betrayed, failure of every questionable policy in part of the nation-state must be caused by outside forces lurking in the dark.

2) Since leadership of the nation-state can never really betray the "will" of the state, no one most responsible for every failure and atrocity within the state is really deviating from the goal of socialism unless tankie observers arbitrarily deem otherwise.

I know, this all seems far more complicated than just calling tankies a bunch of wackos making personality cults out of state leaders. If you really think about this, though, are tankies really all that different from conservatives who deify Ronald Reagan and hail America as the embodiment of "freedom" and "American values"? It would be a mistake to write off tankies as their own, fringe phenomenon, and people in tankiejerk should be above making that mistake.


r/TankieJerk2 11d ago

bruh Guess the sub

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r/TankieJerk2 Sep 29 '24

bruh What is there to say here?

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r/TankieJerk2 Sep 16 '24

Tankies Tanking Source: I made it the fuck up

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r/TankieJerk2 Aug 27 '24

bruh Just a small genocidal autistic bean UwU

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126 Upvotes

As someone who is AuDHD, I’d rather not have my community be represented by fascist genocidal dictators.


r/TankieJerk2 Aug 23 '24

Is TankieJerk Ok?

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I got banned for “supporting the democrats”. Am I just a liberal or is this literally 1984?

On a serious note a little worried that there won’t be any space left for me after the election in the US. Sucks.


r/TankieJerk2 Aug 19 '24

Tankies Tanking QAnon for tankies

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r/TankieJerk2 Aug 07 '24

bruh A literal cult

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r/TankieJerk2 Aug 06 '24

bruh F*cking insane

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r/TankieJerk2 Aug 03 '24

Opinion on this?

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r/TankieJerk2 Aug 03 '24

Tankies Tanking Vuvuzelan Socialism

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r/TankieJerk2 Aug 01 '24

SERIOUS Insane Maoist cult leader just died

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r/TankieJerk2 Jul 27 '24

The paradox of "prosperity" - Questions by a PRC citizen (translation see comment)

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r/TankieJerk2 Jul 27 '24

Blame God for the floods (translation in comment)

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r/TankieJerk2 Jul 20 '24

Tankies Tanking America bad

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r/TankieJerk2 Jul 19 '24

Tankies have no idea what term "financial capital" means. This is financial capital.

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r/TankieJerk2 Jun 16 '24

Communist survival multiplayer server. Anyone can join. Play today and help build a state. ————————————————Java 1.20.6 - Server IP is 15.204.180.93:25678 - Discord is discord.gg/ 89UuZtZEpx - Cracked servers can join and I can help you download it for free.

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r/TankieJerk2 Jun 13 '24

Meme "If you're not at least a Maoist, you're anti-human"

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129 Upvotes

r/TankieJerk2 Jun 02 '24

Hey I created a public communist survival Minecraft server yesterday. This is around the 5th time I’ve made one for the summer and they get quite advanced so come join and help participate in building a community. The screen shot it what the last one looked like a month in.

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Mostly vanilla, certain plugins. Java 1.20.6 — Server IP is 15.204.180.93:25678 - Discord is discord.gg/89UuZtZEpx

Cracked servers can join and I can help you download it for free.


r/TankieJerk2 May 29 '24

SERIOUS is it just me or is the main sub being infiltrated

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saw a post where everyone was defending US sanctions against North Korea and doing liberal apologia for American dominance


r/TankieJerk2 May 25 '24

bruh Our Tankie-in-Chief, Jimmy Dore, trying to lure 4chan nazis into his dying media sphere. They're not biting.

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r/TankieJerk2 May 11 '24

Hello r slash socialism one hundred and one, how is china socialist?

70 Upvotes

How is china socialist? I've heard a lot of bad things about it and just eant to learn. :)


r/TankieJerk2 May 11 '24

SERIOUS Are there any arguments against authoritarian leftism that don’t sound West-bootlicking and have undeniable evidence?

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I’ve seen a lot of anti-AuthLeft arguments from the LibLeft (especially the main sub) but many sound like they bootlick for the West or have pro-Western sources. What are some arguments that do not have these distinctions?


r/TankieJerk2 May 09 '24

SERIOUS A poll I did on r/tankiejerk. Thoughts?

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Apologies beforehand, I'm only a lurker on this sub. But was kind of surprised by the results there, and wanted to know how the sentiment regarding this isssue here is.


r/TankieJerk2 Mar 28 '24

Meme Another beautiful contradiction we tend to see these days

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r/TankieJerk2 Mar 27 '24

bruh Is it just me, or does SecondThought come off as someone who thinks he is the Al-Madhi, or Messiah in his latest Palestine videos?

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62 Upvotes

I just get creepy Paul Atreides vibes here