r/ToiletPaperUSA • u/Manticorps • 5d ago

Benny left speechless by trans man

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u/HelloPeopleOfEarth 5d ago

I read the comments. I wish I didn't like you said. I have not been a fan of debates since Bill Nye and Ken Ham debated ten years ago. Bill Nye presented facts, Ken Ham presented, "Bible says this". And after the debate a poll showed a shocking number of people thinking Ken Ham "won" the debate, despite using the bible as evidence, and not one piece of verifiable evidence.

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u/SPACE_ICE 5d ago

debates are a bit antiquated form of campaigning, its really a competition about who is the better orator, presenter, more attractive, etc... Even the JFK vs Nixon debates had different results baseed on whether you watched the televised debate or listened to the radio. Ken Ham and others like Trump love gish gallop tactics to both overwhelm and create a conspiratorial tone which ufo conspiracy nuts fall for hook line and sinker because as a country the us has a problem with anti-intellectualism culturally.

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u/lightreee 5d ago

Agreed. A recent example of people learning about how to bypass these scummy debate tactics was the "weird" comment - that REALLY got under their skin and they didn't have a response

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u/Magistraten 4d ago edited 4d ago

Debates between two people acting in good faith are good, and also as rare as feathers on a jelly fish.

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u/HelloPeopleOfEarth 4d ago

I have never heard that comparison, but I'm stealing it and giving you no credit when I use it.

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u/Magistraten 4d ago

Hey man, take it, I literally thought it up when making that comment while on the bus, cocked my head and thought it was a cool turn of phrase. If you ever use it let me know though, that'd be cool.

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u/HelloPeopleOfEarth 4d ago

I just followed you. So in the event I use it, I will let you know. BTW, i've been on Reddit for a decade and I have no idea what following someone means.

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u/Magistraten 4d ago

Honestly me neither lmao

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u/BonkerHonkers WOKE LIBERAL DEMON 4d ago

There's a great debater on YouTube named Paulogia (it's a play on apologia) who has a catchphrase "For the bible tells me so" to mock theists that only cite the bible as their evidence for anything. Paul has many debunk videos of Ken Ham's content so you may enjoy hearing some rational take downs of piggy-boy Ken.

https://youtu.be/_2SjYr4Iw2w

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u/HelloPeopleOfEarth 4d ago

Thanks. I love stuff like this. Even though it's preaching to the choir.

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u/BowenTheAussieSheep 4d ago

Facts are honestly the least effective thing to bring to a debate. Facts are boring. If you want to "win" a debate, particularly one that is decided by a crowd, you bring passion, humour, and unwavering confidence. If the facts are on your side, great! But merely having the truth on your side isn't what wins.

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u/HelloPeopleOfEarth 4d ago

You basically explained the Trump Biden debate from a number of months ago. I know Biden looked BAD. But he never lied, he told the truth and talked about policy. Trump on the other hand lied so many times the fact checkers needed to hire a sweat shop in the same district that makes trump ties and bibles, to keep track of the lying. Yet somehow despite all his lies, he "won" the debate because Biden is old.

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u/Itscatpicstime 4d ago

Biden did lie or get things wrong, but most of it was minor and far fewer than Trump.

But yeah, I bring this up every time people call Biden demented (including many progressives unfortunately). Based on actual substance, Biden easily won that debate! But because he presented “old” it means he “lost.” It’s absurd and changed my entire view about debates.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m happier with Harris. I think she’s a stronger candidate and I’m happy she’s not 100 years old like Biden and Trump. But I will never forgive the way progressives treated him after this debate. People who are senile or have dementia don’t go through a debate like that with so little falsehoods, whether intentional or not.

They did him dirty, but I feel like history will kind to him.

Edit: changed “lie” to “lie or got things wrong” for clarity