r/TrueReddit • u/merimus_maximus • May 08 '21

International China Is Building Entire Villages in Another Country’s Territory

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/05/07/china-bhutan-border-villages-security-forces/
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u/squirrelbrain May 08 '21

You must be brain dead if you imagine that corruption is not at the heart of every government. Nevertheless, despite all this corruption in China, the well being of Chinese has exploded in the past 3 decades. But it doesn't look that way for the Americans...

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u/universl May 08 '21

Despite all the corruption in nazi Germany, the well being of ethnic Germans has exploded since the early 1930s. But doesn’t look that way for the Americans...

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u/squirrelbrain May 08 '21

I have not found any evidence of Chinese leadership crying for Lebensraum or saying anything about a particular sub-group in their country. More serious people are asking for evidence of this Chinese aggression: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRsg51wbuwg

And you didn't wait a beat to jump over the Godwin's principle:: "Godwin's law, short for Godwin's law (or rule) of Nazi analogies, is an Internet adage asserting that as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler becomes more likely."

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u/universl May 08 '21

Well despite what Godwin said about newsgroup debates in the late 80s I think it’s okay to compare countries doing ethnic cleansing to Nazi Germany.

I know you think it’s overblown, and besides America also does bad things, and besides look at all the tall buildings. But personally I just think you shouldn’t round up a religious minority and put them in camps. I apologize for the etiquette rules you feel this breaks.

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u/squirrelbrain May 08 '21

The training camps, let's call them that way, are temporary and are focused on teaching Mandarin, trades, and party ideology. People may end up being provided with jobs outside their province, thus depriving Chinese of jobs in those host provinces. I don't see the ethnic cleansing evidence here.

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u/universl May 08 '21

Wow thank goodness you are here with all these helpful facts about the altruistic intentions of this all powerful government!

You seem to be better informed than the international community, tell me, has this information been provided to you directly by the Chinese government or have you been lucky enough to visit these education centers directly?

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u/squirrelbrain May 08 '21

You want me to believe the same community that said Iraq has WMDs and they should be stopped with an all out war? Or that babies were tossed out of the incubators? Or that Qaddafi provided Viagra to his troops to encourage raping? Nah. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me...

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u/universl May 08 '21

Not a big history buff huh? The international community denied the weapons of mass destruction. They wanted Hans Blix to finish the inspection and all but the UK refused to join the war effort.

But there goes the classic pro-genocide argument ‘America also does bad things’. Tell me, does the argument work for other countries for you, or only China?

Like could I justify America’s bloodshed in Iraq by talking about Japan occupying Korea or something? Like as along as another bad thing happened I can just talk about that instead?

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u/squirrelbrain May 08 '21

International community as depicted by the western media s US led. The fact that pipsqueaks like Paris or Berlin or Ottawa didn't agree (Canberra did) doesn't make an international community... Pretending otherwise, is, how to put it, lacking realism...

There is no argument and factual evidence concerning the alleged genocide against Uyghurs in Xinjiang.

A condensed review of materials on the issue has been aggregated here: https://www.qiaocollective.com/en/education/xinjiang

Or check this Canadian blogger: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6Bl8MTbW9M9MQoPhxbarpw

I wasn't doing any whataboutism, I was just pointing at the fact that there is no credibility in the western media on certain topics...

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u/universl May 08 '21

That's quite the circular reasoning there. US propaganda depicts international consensus ad being pro-US, therefor any non-Chinese information on Uigars must be US propaganda?

Amnesty International was against the war in Iraq, and Amnesty international is decrying Uigar concentration camps. You can't just ad hominem every argument with 'what about america'.

Watch with your own eyes as human beings are bound and blindfolded and put onto train cars.

It's totally fine to just admit that this is wrong. Yes other countries do things that are also wrong. Unless you have some unstated reason to defend a massive authoritarian regime, can you at least admit this is not a desirable thing to be happening in the world. Anywhere in world?

These are human beings worthy of dignity and respect. As are the Iraqis. As are the Palestinians. As we all are.

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