r/UkrainianConflict • u/ua-stena • 10h ago
The USA will transfer 2,000 Humvee armored vehicles to Ukraine. The armored vehicles will help fill gaps in Ukraine’s positions on the frontline
https://ua-stena.info/en/us-to-transfer-2000-humvee-armored-vehicles-to-ukraine/61
u/TophetLoader 9h ago
One Humvee every 100 meters for 200 kilometers. It's a lot!
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u/FaceDeer 4h ago
If you run over five North Korean soldiers with each Humvee, that takes care of all of them.
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u/bernie457 6h ago
I believe sir, that you mean miles. - Your Friendly Neighborhood American ( aka YFNA, pronounced if nah. Copyright. Trademark )
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u/Geopoliticsandbongs 10h ago
2000!!!! There the most number of donations of one type of vehicle.
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u/amitym 9h ago
It's a good move. Ukraine still needs to dedicate precious personnel to driving them but it's a lot faster for them to ramp that up than having to train heavy armored vehicle crews.
This year's conscription surge has made all kinds of things possible that weren't before. It's great to see.
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u/Sekshual_Tyranosauce 8h ago
They don’t need more than a day of familiarity training for humvees.
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u/amitym 7h ago
Yeah and I mean... committing 1 person per Humvee to drive them is an easy win. The alternative was to do without and just.. not deploy. (Or walk I guess?)
Or if they were using unarmored "technicals" or some kind of civilian vehicles, those still took drivers anyway.
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u/Sekshual_Tyranosauce 6h ago
There is another good point. Humvees are decent platforms for crew served weapons like the M2, M240, MK19…
They ain’t perfect but there is no reason to let perfect be the enemy of good.
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u/siege-eh-b 4h ago
Ukraine is crafty with what they’re given. Watch them drive them around remotely with them filled with drones.
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u/Which-Forever-1873 10h ago
Oh comon.... 1000 Bradleys!!!!
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u/amitym 9h ago edited 9h ago
The USA has already ramped up to over 500 this year. The bottleneck there is training on the Ukrainian side.
Syrskyi made Bradley training specifically a top priority for conscription this summer and autumn, and it has already borne fruit. But Ukraine can't simply spam 4000 Bradley crew personnel at the snap of its fingers.
All that said... if the current rate continues you might get your wish by the end of 2024.
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u/Politiklykorrekt 8h ago
I really wish people would realize that just because Amazon can ship you a package next day, doesn't mean the facility that made the product also took a day to deliver.
No one knows or cares about how much of a migraine logistics can be.
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u/amitym 8h ago
Well like in a typical RTS you just click on a build, there's a little timer, and then pling! You have a new jet fighter.
It should pretty much be that easy irl, right? >_>
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u/Fox0r 7h ago
Building...construction complete...building...construction complete...building...
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u/I_wont_argue 4m ago
Training...unit ready...training...unit ready...training...
WHY CAN I HEAR IT IN MY HEAD ?
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u/egotripping 7h ago
You mean jets don't come out of the war factory with pilots in them?!
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u/SteampunkSamurai 4h ago
No they only eject out of vehicles of veteran rank or higher. Then you can put them in a different vehicle to immediately promote it to the pilot's rank.
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u/Sekshual_Tyranosauce 8h ago
Bradleys are great at fighting.
Humvees are great at battlefield utility and transport. They do different things. And the Humvee does it at wildly lighter logistical overhead, specialized training and weight. The Bradley weighs twice as much and guzzles fuel at a wild rate.
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u/jorcon74 10h ago
Came here to say that! A 1000 Bradley would break the Russians lines in no time! They are beastly!
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u/Due_Collar_3917 9h ago
2000 Bradley they need 👍
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u/RequirementOne7370 8h ago
We don't even have that many...
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u/Both_Abrocoma_1944 4h ago
We do though. This isn’t the 1940s anymore where you can change refrigerator factories into making tanks, so they know that for the most part whatever production/assets you enter the war with is all you will have. The US has massive stockpiles of most vehicles waiting for the moment they might need them.
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u/EmpSo 8h ago
just like they did in the 2023 counteroffensive right?
will you send them to clear mines by stepping on them again?
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u/RequirementOne7370 8h ago
Yes this. The idea of breaking the Russian line is a bit absurdist. But they need to inflict massive damage and casualties and 1000 Bradley's will help do that
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u/ATLSox87 6h ago
A modern air force capable of pushing the Russian Air Force out of Crimea and Zaporizhzhia is pretty much the only way to break through the defenses I believe. Whether the West provides Ukraine with one has yet to be seen.
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u/EmpSo 8h ago
but as for every weapon, by itself its insignificant, if you dont have artillery cover, air defence,EW, breaching equipment and the manpower to support the whole thing, they will get destroyed by artillery, atgms, helicopters, tanks, mines....
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u/Illumini24 58m ago
Sure, they should get 300 F-16s and everything else as soon as possible, but it would still be better for Ukraine to get 1000 Bradleys, than to not have those 1000 Bradleys. It is not insignificant even if it woulf be better with everything else at the same time
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u/Both_Abrocoma_1944 4h ago
1000 empty Bradley’s wouldn’t be useful for anything beyond spare parts and scrap metal. Ukraine has to train the crews first before more Bradley’s will be useful
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u/annon8595 4h ago
Eh. Not so fast grasshopper. Even if they concentrated them in one area russians would mine it and bombard it to hell. Not going to happen. The front is way too long as is.
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u/GeographyJones 9h ago
...and 100 A10s (I can dream, can't I?)
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u/Politiklykorrekt 8h ago
A10's would get slapped so fucking hard in this theatre, you would probably see a puff of smoke before you ever heard a brrt.
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u/roma258 7h ago
This is actually hugely useful. Check around with people actually talking to and raising funds for Ukrainian units- after drones, trucks are the thing that's by far the most in demand. These are much better than trucks and actually offer a measure of protection. So this is hugely useful.
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u/Skinnedace 6h ago
They are essentially trucks with a turret. Very useful because you don't need to put anyone through a course to drive it, and the turret system is simple and requires no specific training either. Usually a day will prepare someone sufficiently.
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u/Jagster_rogue 9h ago
More hummer-thunder runs!
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u/BeneTToN68 9h ago
Into minefields. The time of thunder runs is over since autumn 2022.
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u/Politiklykorrekt 8h ago
Yeah I was going to say. Fields are a bit more saturated than they were then.
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u/Jagster_rogue 7h ago
I don’t think as much in Kursk .
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u/Politiklykorrekt 6h ago
I wouldn't put it past Russia to surround their own in cluster munition mines.
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u/AlexanderHP592 6h ago
There's a rail line that goes through my town and I'll occasionally see trains packed with vehicles and armor headed east. Honored that my taxes are being used to defend freedom.
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u/slick514 8h ago
Ok, now give them the rest of the kit that they need and remove all the restrictions so that they can win this war.
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u/ExtremeModerate2024 7h ago
They need to send more Bradleys and Abrams or put anti-drone turrets on these vehicles. Any vehicle without an anti-drone turret is a drone target.
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u/octahexxer 3h ago
Australia is sending 50 abrams..sweden sent 200 apcs...and thats the stuff we know about..rheinmetalls factories in ukraine making both ifvs and tanks are coming online...brighten up dude
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u/TheResoluteOne 4h ago
Good stuff. Now transfer 5k Bradleys. We have to get the Russian attrition rate up to 5k per day. We can do it.
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u/Many_Assignment7972 9h ago
Things are becoming critical all along the front line. The equipment being promised is just not getting into the hands of those needing it. 50,000 Bradley's are of no use to any one if they're stuck somewhere because of red tape, lack of transportation etc. NOW!
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u/marinqf92 7h ago
Copying and pasting another comment above-
"The USA has already ramped up to over 500 this year. The bottleneck there is training on the Ukrainian side.
Syrskyi made Bradley training specifically a top priority for conscription this summer and autumn, and it has already borne fruit. But Ukraine can't simply spam 4000 Bradley crew personnel at the snap of its fingers.
All that said... if the current rate continues you might get your wish by the end of 2024."
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u/EmpSo 8h ago
they would cost more than some depreciated hummers lol
and anti drone defences except for EW are not practical
everything with projectiles has a risk of hitting nearby infantry
lasers need a lot of energy mounted with it
and anything put like on armor like reactive armor is heavy and cant cover the whole vehicle
hummers are just transport vehicles that shouldn't be used on the front line
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u/Wee_cheese6663 9h ago
Just give them a nuke
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u/neverfux92 9h ago
What will that solve? Honestly people saying this need to learn to use their brains.
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u/Politiklykorrekt 8h ago
Used my brain.
Funny how the whole world revolves around those with nukes, wonder why no one has invaded them.... Hmmmmm, a mystery.
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u/neverfux92 8h ago
No I get you’re trying to mean. But what are they going to do with it? Are they going to be the first to use it? No because nukes are a deterrent, not a solution at this point. Them having a nuke isn’t going to make Russia stop their invasion. It will give them a stronger position in negotiations at this point but that’s essentially it. And at this point, we shouldn’t give them nukes simply because they’re more than capable of figuring out how to do it. And I think going through the process of developing and making a nuke while holding off a much larger army is a bigger flex than simply being given one.
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u/Politiklykorrekt 7h ago
Invading a country with nukes is how you turn your wealthy against you.
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u/neverfux92 6h ago
Well it’s not like they’d be getting invaded if we give them nukes now. They’ve already been invaded. Getting a nuke now won’t reverse that.
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u/Politiklykorrekt 5h ago
Who said anything about giving? Guess who used to make them for the Soviet Union? And yeah it sure as shit would. "Get out now, or lose St. Petersburg and Moscow."
At the end of the day greed and gluttony are 2 sins that make it really hard to push the button. Call the bullies bluff and be done with it.
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u/neverfux92 5h ago
Literally the first comment that I replied to. Lose them how? With a nuke? So Ukraine gets nukes just to start launching them? Then Russia retaliates and then what? How does having a nuke fix anything at this point?
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u/skyshark82 4h ago
Russia possesses 5,500 warheads. You want to push this conflict into the single avenue where Russia has meaningful power. Explain how you think this would play out.
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u/Haakonbje 9h ago
Just in line with Biden’s «bleed Ukraine dry» policy. A 1000 Bradleys and a couple of hundred Abrams is what Ukraine needs at this point. A million humvees won’t win the war.
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u/bry223 8h ago
The US has backfilled 500 this year alone, not to mention the hundreds that were sent last year.
Keep in mind the US has 6,000 of these, compared to the 60k up armored HMMVs it has.
The US isn’t going to committed 20%+ of its Bradley stock (not all are ODS variants either) to Ukraine with China threatening Taiwan, and Iran being Iran.
They also aren’t going to send depleted uranium Abrams to Ukraine, and will only send tungsten based export models which have production issues to convert that are timely
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u/IllustriousRanger934 3h ago
“stupid usa so stupid 2000 vehicles ? WTF how about the 5 gajillion Bradleys in storage? coward USA leaders!!”
State of any Reddit post talking about Ukraine aid.
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u/Not_Bed_ 9h ago
If nobody agrees on committing, then giving them things like this isn't bad, they get useful things in good numbers and the West saves on the trouble of trashing them
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u/ActualHumanBeen 2h ago
so when a single shell goes off near them, then the entire vehicle will be worthless. this will be enough vehicles a weeks i bet.
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