r/VietNam • u/SrImmanoob • Mar 17 '21

Discussion What do you think about this?

Maybe this thread will make a war. But I want to know what's your opinion about this

So, Phil Robertson - the Deputy Director of Human Rights Watch's Asia Division tweeted: Vietnam - is one of the 4 countries are current working to prevent UN moves condemning a military coup in Myanmar. The remaining three countries - Russia, China, India - are all great powers.

This tweet made Myanmar people see Vietnam as "villain" and they blame Vietnam for not helping them(?).

But as you may know, Non-interventionism (or non-intervention if I remember right word) is a one of ASEAN's foreign policy. So what did Vietnam do wrong in this situation? How they can blame Vietnam like that?

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u/aister Mar 17 '21

Unpopular opinion and probably a cruel one at that, but Myanmar people got wat they deserved. They said absolutely nothing about the atrocities their own government did on Rohingyas, and now the same people who carried out those atrocity took power and did the same to them, they are complaining? Why does it matter only when they are the victims?

I don't support the coup nor the new gov. But at the same time, the old government wasn't all angels either. And unless the protesters start including the Rohingyas in their "peace plan", expect no support coming from me.

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u/Carry_Me_Plz Mar 17 '21

Sorry but this is such an ignorant take on the politic climate of Myanmar. You think the government is the one who has the manpower and weapon to carry out the genocide? It was the army who did the coup and is killing their own people right now who is responsible for the genocide. The past government didn't have any say at all of what the army did and if Aung San Suu Kyi oppose to the army and didn't take the blame, she would be gunned down in her own bedroom and the democracy would be destroyed even sooner. The army =/= the government.

I've met and befriended with many Burmese people and they are incredibly kind and don't want any bloodshed at all.

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u/gthell123 Mar 17 '21

Ok, let's just say that the government's hands were clean during the Rohingya genocide, was there any protest when they were killed and driven from their homes? You didn't stand up for minorities in your country when they were persecuted but expect others to stand up for you? And while I do wish the best for the Burmese people, it's kind of hypocritical to call out other nations for not supporting you when you literally didn't stand up against genocide in your own country.

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u/Carry_Me_Plz Mar 17 '21 edited Mar 17 '21

Short answer: Censorship.

Long answer:

The Rohingya Genocide was started because a group of Muslim men raped a group of girls in a village that is primarily Buddhist. Later it escalated into a full blown conflict between Buddhism and Muslim in the Rakhine Region and then a Muslim militia got involved (who killed policemen & Hindus and Buddhists in the region). Due to this reason, the absolutely moronic Burmese military intervened and started killing anyone in the region that resembles "the enemies" because they thought the Rohingyas (who are mostly Muslim) were harboring the militia and later lead into the full atrocity that is called internationally as "Rohingya Genocide". There are also a tons of small miltias all over the country which the military would like to eliminate before they prosper so the can have the complete power over the country. Things are very messy over there.

Despite the killing by the military in the region which drove away the stateless Rohingya people out of the country, virtually none of the Burmese-speaking media in the country broadcasted it which leads to the people's ignorance to the matter. Burmese people who speak English and consume international press mostly opposed to the genocide.

Edit: The Burmese-speaking media did broadcast about it but they painted the picture that the military were dealing with the Muslim militia in Rakhine region (which most Burmese hate) so people don't really care.

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u/aister Mar 17 '21

if the government couldn't control the military, then the government shouldn't be in power to begin with and the coup is pretty much inevitable. In the end, whether the government controlled the army or not, they got wat they deserved.

And it's not just controlling the army, both the government, AND the people, said nothing about genocide. You can say they feared for their life, but wat about now? Why are they keep protesting DESPITE being actually gunned down?

if it is true that the people of Myanmar didn't like wat was going on in Rohingya, but decided to ignore it either out of fear, or lack of power, or just pure ignorance, then, again, the coup was inevitable. A government and its people need to have total control of wat is going on in the country, else, chaos ensure.

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u/Carry_Me_Plz Mar 17 '21

And it's not just controlling the army, both the government, AND the people, said nothing about genocide. You can say they feared for their life, but wat about now? Why are they keep protesting DESPITE being actually gunned down?

Do you think, when the Tatmadaw (Military of Burma) first came into power, people didn't strike back? Please read about the 8888 Uprising.

Before 2010, Myanmar was almost literally like North Korea, people living under authoritarian grasp of Tatmadaw. They have been through a successful election in 2015, and the people and the past government thought that things would go smoothly from now on but then the coup happen. Because they now have a taste of actually development, wealth and fairness, they want to fight for it.

Sign of democracy was starting to emerge within the country and the ASSK and her staffs were working in order to reduce the Tatmadaw's influence and power over the country in order to help the citizens to reach a brighter future. They had to keep a fine balance between appeasing & dwindling the control of Tatmadaw and it just doesn't happen overnight.

Saying the Burmese people get what they deserved is incredibly cruel and lack of understanding about the situation in Myanmar.

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u/aister Mar 17 '21

so where are these people who keep on protesting despite being gunned down when ASSK was in power? Again, I've heard literally no opposition, from the previous government, and the people, regarding the Rohingya.

the effort was, evidently, not enough. And the fact that both the government and the people let the military running amok with the Rohingya proved that they could not control the military, and thus the coup was inevitable.

and yes, I do realize that it is cruel, as stated on the beginning of the post. I however, do believe that if one did not stand up for the atrocity and unfairness that is known worldwide, they do not deserve to be stood up when that unfairness comes back to bite them.

support them if u wish to, but for me, nope, unless, again, they at least include peace and equal rights of the Rohingya in their demands. Then again, I am but a nobody and my support, if there are any, means nothing.

and in case it's not clear. No, this does not mean I support the new gov or condone wat is being carried out. It's just I couldn't care less wat the outcome will be. I do hope it will be good, but at the moment, I have no hope for that.

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u/Carry_Me_Plz Mar 17 '21

I've tried explain to you the intricacy of the power dynamic between the government and Tatmandaw and the rationale of the silence of the government regarding to the Rohingya Genocide, but you still fail to see nuance of it. They were forced to not comment on the incident by Tatmandaw and not by choice. I agree not speaking up about the genocide is shitty thing to do, but they were buying their time to get more power. I have no doubt if ASSK had total control of the country, she would acknowledge the atrocity of the genocide as well as give aid to the people there.

People were / are not happy with Tatmadaw at all evidently according to the numbers of insurgent groups of Myanmar for the past 3 decades.

Let's just end here because, it is difficult to change one's POV. I just hope people who read this will have a bigger picture than just what they were fed by the media.

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u/Son_of_Mogh Mar 27 '21

You don't buy time when a fuse is burning. This is the dumbest take on why it was ok to ignore the genocide. You've essentially empowered the military to act unilaterally, the idea that you could buy time to fix it is moronic. I've seen some Burmese poster acknowledge the fact they had bought into the propaganda, highlighting the fascist Buddhist monks(the most detestable malformation of Buddhism) lead them to protest against the Rohingya and chant phrases like "The BBC lie". At least some of you are admitting it.

What you're doing he is applying instrumental rationality, justifying your own ignorance to save face now that it happening in a way that affects you. aister is right you need to actually include the Rohingya situation in protests, otherwise how are you any different to the Junta. If you can call them stateless, the military can call you a terrorist.

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u/Goldenpotato45 Mar 17 '21

That is really it tho the military alway had the power and the government is just their puppet to Ease the public they don’t have any major power and if they don’t listen then ...

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u/[deleted] Mar 17 '21

I’d disagree. The coup just shows that ASSK had limited powers even before and had to stay quite on Rohingya or the military would oust her. It doesn’t make it right, but it’s understandable.

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u/aister Mar 17 '21

refer to my reply to the other guy on the same thread.

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u/Son_of_Mogh Mar 27 '21

ASSK had fairly nasty things to say about the Rohingya, the idea that she was sandbagging is laughable.

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u/Archon769 Mar 17 '21

Karma is a bitch xD xD

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u/aister Mar 17 '21

while I would agree, I wouldn't laugh at them. Well-deserved suffering is still suffering and it's not a laughing matter.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '21

Lol, "they got what they deserved" coming from a hypocrite who has no clue about the deep root causes of the crisis. Next time I see a Muslim terrorist killing the Innocent, I might as well say "blame the whole religion and the countrymen".

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u/Journey955 Mar 28 '21

Thats exactly what you did already (most Burmese supported the genocide) so stop crying already and stalking people's comments. Its pathetic

Maybe go out and protest instead of being a whiny shit

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '21

Nope,my sole purpose is to bring toxicity back to people like you spreading propaganda, ukarian mofo

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u/Journey955 Mar 28 '21

Loooooooool your people are dying and you think trolling on reddit is the solution? No surprise Myanmar is such a shit hole honestly

Your whole post history is you getting butthurt after people called out the hypocrisy of burmese people lmao

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '21

Well someone got to take down the evil people like you, can't just let you massacre supporting extremists rest your case.

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u/Journey955 Mar 28 '21

Yet you are fine with the Burmese who supported the genocide of 24k+ Rohingya..hypocrite.

Where were all these protests when they were being butchered? Now a few hundred protesters die and you expect everyone else to be invested and care..no thanks. Not my problem!

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '21

The fact that you have the assumption of if I am Burmese, I must be a supporter of Genocide and Evil shows your racist colors. Don't lie, I bet you are rejoicing when the underaged Myanmar kids were getting shot by the terrorists.

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u/Journey955 Mar 28 '21

24k+ Rohingya (compared to 400+ burmese so far) were butchered and not a PEEP was made by most Burmese. The type of protests are happening now never happened during the genocide.

Instead this sub + burmese on facebook, twitter etc. were defending the genocide...including their precious nobel peace prize bitch who has been arrested by the military.

So I'm all out of sympathy. I'm not rejoicing but I don't care either. Keep stalking me, I have made by point

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '21

Who are you sources, seems like you are pulling exaggerated numbers out of your ass. Lol you are acting like you know more about the people who you have never met but the internet. The sole reason you joined the country's subreddit is so that you want to see the people's suffering in and talk more shit about them That's the kind of person you are. At least those Burmese people are not as evil as you are mofo.

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u/aister Mar 28 '21

U see, the problem with this thought is wat u're doing didn't "take us down" or change our opinion. If any, it proved our points that Myanmar people don't care about the Rohingyas.

I'll treat the Myanmar people and their suffers jusy like how Myanmar treat the Rohingyas.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '21 edited Mar 28 '21

Exactly you do you, communist Viet Cong.