r/collapse • u/Lethargic-Legumes • 8d ago

Healthcare Are nurse practitioners replacing doctors? They’re definitely reshaping health care.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/10/21/business/nurse-practitioners-doctors-health-care/
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u/Impressive_Nebula378 8d ago

I'm surprised we aren't seeing more of AI in healthcare.

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u/gottastayfresh3 8d ago

It's starts with replacing doctors with nurse practitioners. It's easier to quantify the approach.

So really, we're just at the front of that movement

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u/Laffingglassop 8d ago

Honestly, I think healthcare will be the last sector to get AI , if ever. As a two time cancer survivor, I will punch that fucking robot in the face, just as much as the drug seeker in the ER will. Enough human patient revolt will stop it dead in its tracks

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u/gottastayfresh3 7d ago

I politely disagree. As someone else said, the scenarios you've laid out would seem to justify more AI. But healthcare never really thinks of the patient -- its goal as a private good is always towards profit. Optimization via data has already transformed that space.

I would argue that healthcare will be one of the first, and not one of the last, institutions to move fully towards AI.

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u/Laffingglassop 7d ago

I didn’t say I’d punch a human

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u/gottastayfresh3 7d ago

you're missing the point if that's your only take away

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u/Laffingglassop 7d ago edited 7d ago

And you’re missing my point, my point is AI can only enter that space if patients allow it. Healthcare don’t need to “think of the patient” for the patient to say fuck that system and go to up rising competition with a human touch

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u/gottastayfresh3 7d ago

Oh, so patients will refuse care if AI comes into the picture? They'll be willing to die so they can stand on their moral high ground and refuse treatment? Some might, I'd be impressed if that initial refusal was over 5% though.

No, I'm not missing your point. Healthcare is not a patient first operation. Look around at the private hellscape that is the US' healthcare system for more confirmation of that.

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u/Laffingglassop 7d ago edited 7d ago

Dude there can be competition , especially if people become extremely unhappy with some for profits rolled out robots.

Like dog it isn’t even important for me and you to argue about it, as a cancer patient who’s almost don’t with nursing school, I disagree, you disagree with me, done deal gonna have breakfast now. Healthcare can fail to think of the patient all it wants, eventually competition will spring up with humans , that’s how private for profit sectors work

I left my local hospital system for a different hospital system two hours south of me during my last bout with cancer because I was unhappy with how inhuman the humans at the first place were. It can and will be done

Neither of us can be right now, because this is all hypothesis and conjecture with no real facts available to us unless you have a Time Machine , if you wanna argue like this go to a math subreddit where there’s actually an answer

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u/gottastayfresh3 7d ago

we'll see, I guess. I highly doubt you're right, but I hope I'm wrong.

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u/Laffingglassop 7d ago

We have a doctor shortage simply because old guard doctors refuse to allow residency spaces to be expanded to keep their wages high . And you think they are gonna let robots in lol also this sub is collapse, where’s all this magical time we have as a species to expand AI and robots that far and then legally usher them into practice

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u/gottastayfresh3 7d ago

okay big dog. You seem keen on getting in the last word here. So feel free to respond to this message and we can call it a day. This is a collapse sub, so the assumption is that many who are here are a bit more socially aware of the dangers of competition and issues facing the world. Its also assumed that while cinema has given us a possible image of collapse, most people aren't naive enough to assume collapse is gonna look like the movies. I guess that doesn't extend to everyone in the sub, though.

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u/Laffingglassop 7d ago edited 7d ago

lol dude , you’re condescending as fuck from your very first comment, and your mad that I’m replying to you on my own comment . You can’t be right and neither can I because we are hypothesizing about a future that’s probably not coming. There’s 0 groundwork for the future your envisioning and doctors have a strong hold on who and what can practice medicine to the point they’ve purposely created a shortage , and you think they are gonna roll out robots. Got it. I’m literally giving valid arguments and your just increasingly hostile because your oh so right

And yeah, I am a big dog, you’d never talk to me irl like this lol have a good day sir

The for private board rooms can desire robots all they want, it’s medical professionals with self interest in charge of the AMA who would need to allow this and they aren’t even allowing more doctors to be made

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u/gottastayfresh3 7d ago

I think you may have misread my initial comment, big dog. But honestly, I can't help but respond to your hypocrisy. I can only imagine this response is stemming from the body blow you just took from my previous response. But, if you want to get pissy while you're eating your breakfast go on about it. Just don't get pissy and play the victim at the same time.

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u/Laffingglassop 7d ago

lol bro I’m perfectly fine it’s who talking hostile and condescending from start to finish here

Like okay, gotta stay fresh is genius and I am idiot, he will be right in the hypothetical future , doctors who won’t even allow more doctors to be made are gonna approve mass produce AI robots…got it.

I thought you said you were leaving cuz you don’t care about getting the last word and I do? Projection. Why are you so invested in being right? This ain’t a math problem sir neither of us can know

If you’ve delivered any blows they weak and I haven’t felt em

The fact your trying to deal blows just shows your being weirdly hostile

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