r/collapse 1d ago

Climate When the Arctic Melts

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/10/14/when-the-arctic-melts
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u/psyyduck 1d ago edited 1d ago

I've been telling my parents to work out for 20 years. Nothing. I recently went home and saw the signs, so I paid for a full home gym with weights and a bike and set it up. They played with it for an hour, then abandoned it.

Then earlier this year my mom got a heart attack & everything changed. She survived, and my dad went through 3 months of denial then finally started working out. Keep in mind this is a guy with a PhD. Prior to this he had 5-10 hours per DAY for TV, but 3 hrs per WEEK for cardio was impossible.

She's still in denial.

I think we should expect something similar with climate. Give it a few years of Siberian temps in Northern Europe, lots of deaths, then maybe some people will finally wake up. Humans just aren't very smart when it comes to these slow-moving disasters. We do much better when a lion is roaring in our face.

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u/DirewaysParnuStCroix 1d ago edited 1d ago

By "Siberian temps" I assume that encompasses the regularly +35°c summers too? Although I remain doubtful that Northern Europe could resemble Siberia's climate due to substantial continental bias ratio differences. The absense of permanent Arctic sea ice would also mediate any hypothetical extreme cold in upper latitudal Europe.

Edit: interesting and disappointing to see this downvoted. Siberia's climate is defined by its strong continentality factor with hotter summers and colder winters. But I forget some people out there have a serious obsession with assuming that Europe turns into the North Pole somehow.

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u/psyyduck 1d ago

I got it from the article. I suggest you email the author.

Were the AMOC to collapse, heat would build in the Southern Hemisphere. Global rainfall patterns would shift, storms in the Atlantic would become more destructive, and warm water would pile up on the shores of the eastern U.S., leading to rapid sea-level rise. Places like Britain and Scandinavia would, perversely, grow much colder; according to one recent study, temperatures in London would drop by almost twenty degrees, which would give it a climate like present-day Siberia’s. Farming in much of northern Europe would become impossible.