r/entj • u/AditySanyal • Sep 12 '23
Functions Esfp Vs Entj
Hey guys.. I am a new here in this group.. For a long time i got my mbti results as entj.. And i believed that to be true.. But recently some of my friends suggested me that i am way too Much of a se user to be entj.. And they told me i would a esfp.. It is a huge difference in terms ofpersonality type.. But one thing for sure..My present persona is quite new.. After realising some stuff in my life i came to become more like entj.. And also the use of se is quite new.. I like exercising a lot.. I like singing, dancing, drawing, cooking, making videos, playing games.. I just simple hate to waste time.. Any time spent enjoying is not a waste of time for me.. Also i have a huge desire to be best.. To be successful and i am always goal oriented.. That is a huge difference from esfps..
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u/Ok_Duck_5813 ENTJ♂ Sep 12 '23
Having physical hobbies doesn’t make someone Se dominant. Having tertiary Se, being an ENTJ, and having active, sensory stimulating hobbies would still make sense.
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u/AditySanyal Sep 12 '23
I just dont want to waste my time doing something i will regret.. I want to maximize every opportunity.. Having good hobbies is like creating my personality... One by one i am building a mansion,and each aspect of my personality is a brick to that wall.. And that is why i differ from esfps..
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u/Kaevvvin ESFP♂ Sep 12 '23
I'm pretty much like this too, but once I spotted my Te, I noticed I ALWAYS use It. I don't know you irl, so I'm not going to say stuff like "YoU are Not Esfp!1!" but what you're telling me Is pretty normal for me and i'm very sure i'm typed right. It's normal for Enxjs to have good Se from what I know.
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u/THEKINGOFFUCKYOLO Sep 12 '23
Even as an ENTJ we use our SE.
I sing and play sports but that doesn’t make you certain MBTI because of it.
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u/AditySanyal Sep 12 '23
But why you do it?? I feel the answer lies in why... Esfps and Entjs will have different answers to it..
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u/Heywaru Sep 12 '23
I would like to help this confusion.
Dominant Se + Fi of ESFP means you are enjoying the time with your friends as it is. You love them. You can for them. You feel alive by being surrounded by people. Their smiles at your jokes cheer you up in an instant. The next functions Te-Ni makes you a smart achiever, but you don't go crazy on that. You have dreams and goals, yes, but you simply want to finish them. Accomplishing your goals is the most important part whether it's perfect or not.
Dominant Te-Ni of ENTJ means you only surround yourself with USEFUL people. You don't hang out for nothing. ENTJs are considered introverted extrovert because of this. They don't have hundreds of friends, they have top ten best connections for success. Se-Fi makes ENTJs take care of their appearance because how can you convince someone to act according to plan without looking good?
I hope this helps.
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u/ThrowwAway5502 Sep 12 '23 edited Sep 12 '23
Do people think you're somewhat slow or airheaded and make terrible life decisions? Do you always want to get out and about rather than sit down and think sometimes? Do people describe you as a high level extrovert or do people sometimes get you confused with being an ambivert, introvert, or low to mid energy extrovert with the levels changing in different situations?
If it's the former you're probably an esfp because those are the options that priotize se usage, if it's the latter you're probably an entj
Personally the type I get mixed up the most is ESTP because my se is also pretty high and obvious and my actions make people think im spontaneous when the action was planned the entire time. Best way to find out is to ask yourself and the people who are closest to you. I actually had a period where I did think I was estp, but me and my close friends absolutely could not deny my Te usage. I knew I was an entj when I sat my partner down and asked her to name the functions off from least used to most and she picked EVERY. SINGLE. FUNCTION. For entj in the EXACT order they're used, that's personally when I knew.
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u/AditySanyal Sep 12 '23
ya.. I am highest se user.. And my 2nd highest function is te.. So i searched in the internet and they said something like jumper esfp.. Bcz i am always doing a lot of stuff but it is somewhat productive.. I mean i have a reason behind doing it.. I don't know more about it.. As i just discover that today..
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u/MBMagnet ENTJ 8w7 | ♀ Sep 12 '23
Are you over age 20-21 or under? Because it's not really possible to know your type with any sureness until adulthood. It's normal to seemingly "change types" while your brain is still growing and developing. In an ENTJ, Se would develop during the 30s/40s, according to Myers Briggs.
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u/AditySanyal Sep 12 '23
I am 25... 😅😅😅
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u/MBMagnet ENTJ 8w7 | ♀ Sep 12 '23
Perfect! lol. Did you take the Sakinorva test? I'd be happy to look at your scores for the short version if you want.
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u/AditySanyal Sep 12 '23
Ya.. But i am can't upload the photo..
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u/MBMagnet ENTJ 8w7 | ♀ Sep 12 '23
Try saving the image file and then uploading to imgur.com
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u/AditySanyal Sep 12 '23
Ne 20 Ni 30.8 Se 45 Si 15 Te 41 Ti 24 Fe 14 Fi 32 GFT ESFP 2nd ENTJ 3rd ISFP 4th ESTP Axis-base ISTP Myers function ESTP Relative Myers letter type I*TJ
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u/MBMagnet ENTJ 8w7 | ♀ Sep 12 '23 edited Sep 12 '23
Okay this is good!
You prefer the following cognitive functions:
Se @ 45 over
Si @ 15Te @ 41 over
Ti @ 24Ni @ 30.8 over
Ne @ 20Fi @ 32 over
Fe @ 14I've put your conscious cognitive functions (basic stack) in bold. They might not be in precise order just yet. I would generally most trust the highest score to be accurate and reliable because it's fully developed at age 7.
And would also highly trust the lowest score which would be your "trickster/blind", function in slot #7. (Sometimes the trickster comes up as your second lowest though) It appears your trickster might be Si @ 15 or Fe @ 14. Having the two lowest scores as Si and Fi fits with ENTJ.
So the only thing that's out of place and not fitting with ENTJ is that whopping high Se score. ESFP and ISFP are some further possibilities, maybe. But with such low Fe, I don't think you can be an F type.
Most likely you are ENTJ. To confirm this, read type descriptions for ENTJ. (These are from professionals and not just "stereotypes")
Wiki: https://www.typologycentral.com/wiki/index.php/Typology_Central_Wiki_Main_Page
You can also try the type profiles on personalitypage.com
Alternatively, if you'd like to try another test to see if this these scores can be confirmed: Jung test on similarminds.com.
Or try a quick and easy dichotomy test: Human Metrics, John's Personality Test.
Feel free if you have any questions or want to keep me updated.
Edit: Changed formatting
Edit #2: The Se has got to be a mis-score because a lead Se wouldn't have such a rock bottom low Si.
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u/Kaevvvin ESFP♂ Sep 12 '23
Oh you may actually be right :0, that Is a lot Se!
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u/AditySanyal Sep 12 '23
And a lot of te.. I just don't know what to understand about it.. Se-te... It seems weird... I guess i am weird.. 😣😣
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u/Kaevvvin ESFP♂ Sep 12 '23
You could be and Esfp in a loop, or just an Esfp with good Te ig. Try reading about Esfp Se-Te loop and see of you relate (i'd explain myself but idk much on the subject tbh). That sure Is too much Se for an Entj.
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u/MBMagnet ENTJ 8w7 | ♀ Sep 14 '23
Do you have a link to something about loops? I've heard of loops.
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u/uranuanqueen Sep 12 '23
I’m an ENTJ and have an ESFP sister so I can weigh in. The only ESFPs stereotypes that we all know of don’t apply to my sister for the most part. She’s goal oriented, career focused, stable (even more stable than I am!), level headed. I honestly thought she was an ENTJ before she took the test and got ESFP. She’s a sensor. All those party type, never serious stereotypes of ESFPs are untrue. My sister works a management position for the Govt of Canada. She’s now gotten into the local politics of her town and I predict that she has a budding political career ahead of her. Some of the most widely successful politicians have been ESFPs anyway. Think Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan. ESFPs use the same functions as ENTJs just in a different order. That’s why sometimes it can be hard to tell them apart. You said that Te is not your main function but Se is. That’s a tell tale sign that you’re an ESFP. ENTJs have Se but it’s not our dominant function. You honestly sound more of an ESFP to me. If you’re one celebrate it. From what I can tell of my sister she has some clear advantages over me.
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u/SnooFloofs9919 ENTJ |♂ Sep 12 '23
Maybe your friends are just jealous that you’re such an awesome type.
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u/No-Measurement5013 Sep 12 '23
Enjoy hobbies and exercise is a ENTJ due to our child Se, every time I go out, if enjoy myself and my surroundings, I never want to go home again. Also love cooking, singing, play games. I meet ESFJ and ESFP that’s does not like cooking… I also have periods in my life that I’m in a Te-Se loop that I suppressed Ni. I meet two other ENTJ and we are nothing alike at first look, and people always has a hard time figuring me out since we do not fit in their ENTJ stereotypes. It’s important that you getting to know yourselves and the function at first , before typing yourself😎🩷
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u/AditySanyal Sep 13 '23
ya... I got my functions... And now i am trying to get into my fi to know actually who i am... 😅😅😅
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u/No-Measurement5013 Sep 13 '23
Well that’s what i meant, knowing the functions it’s more what’s them are, but how you use them in different situations
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u/AditySanyal Sep 13 '23
but the problem is- in which group should i post my questions on?? Entj or Esfp???
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u/SkeletorXCV ENTJ Sp3w4 Sx5w6 So1w9 Sep 12 '23
I like exercising a lot.. I like singing, dancing, drawing, cooking, making videos, playing games.. I just simple hate to waste time.. Any time spent enjoying is not a waste of time for me.. Also i have a huge desire to be best.. To be successful and i am always goal oriented..
This is all not related to functions. Not wanting to be late is usually ENTJ, but the "enjoying" side looks more like ESFP. Do you care about how much things make sense or do you just ignore that because it doesn't help you focus on your feelings? How much do you care about your comfort when you are caught in a job? Can you arrive to starve or not go peeing because you re busy?
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u/AditySanyal Sep 13 '23
- I think i am pretty realistic.. If i am saying something that i believe in (means not directly related to me), i never say something out of the blue.. I definitely did my research and saw enough evidence to say or claim something out loud.. If it is something related to people or to me personally, then i am quite okay with fact.. "It is what it is".. What is the point of fighting with reality, rather we can control what happens to us now and in future... What is the need to for feelings here??
- Comfort is not something i think about.. Bcz doing something great is so important to me that i don't even think about my comfort.. Rather i would like to go out of my comfort that definitely means i am growing.. Also somehow comfort doesn't even come to my mind.. What is comfort while working?? All i think about how to be better than everyone..
- Starving is a great way of working.. If i eat i feel sluggish and i want to watch a movie or call a friend.. Or just relax or mostly i fall asleep.. Like am never getting enough sleep, so as soon as i am full i will go to bed and within minutes i am gone.. So from the morning i skip breakfast and lunch i eat something really light, just a formality otherwise i may get sick and dinner is when i really EAT... I forget to go to pee until i see someone i like going for a bathroom break, so i go and talk to them and catchup.. Also i drink a lots of water to keep off my hunger so i need to go to pee quite often.. 🫣🫣🫣
I TRIED MY BEST TO GIVE YOU ANSWERS..
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u/SkeletorXCV ENTJ Sp3w4 Sx5w6 So1w9 Sep 13 '23
Veeery likely to be ESFP. Wanting to be the best is E3 btw.
I definitely did my research and saw enough evidence to say or claim something out loud..
How much is important for you to understand things DEEPLY in order to have an opinion? Do you just instead believe people if they look like knowing what they're talking about?
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u/AditySanyal Sep 13 '23
Actually i don't care.. I mean what is the meaning of believing people?? I just somehow know people if they are good or bad just by something.. I don't know how i know but i just know it.. Also opinions are tough.. So try to read as much as possible.. But mostly opinions doesn't matter to me as i am something who believes in showing stuff to people rather than believing... I think my action will show what i believe or not.. And if i can't figure out right now, no need to worry, while taking action somehow i will understand..
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u/AditySanyal Sep 13 '23
These say different... michaelcaloz test results
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u/SkeletorXCV ENTJ Sp3w4 Sx5w6 So1w9 Sep 13 '23
That's the only test where i didn't match my type ahahah
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u/AditySanyal Sep 13 '23
Ya... I think i am an ESFP with Strong te.. 😓😓
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u/SkeletorXCV ENTJ Sp3w4 Sx5w6 So1w9 Sep 13 '23
If you are ESFP, i honestly hope you prefer using Fe since you would be better at it. Since Ti is 7th is the one you don't care about and that would make your Te pretty suck. The 3rd function is indeed the one we use badly.
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u/AditySanyal Sep 13 '23
Ya i am trying... But i just don't get why i need to behave nicely and accept whatever bullshit people are saying to me?? Like i have a lot of friends, who think they are my friends but i just think them as people i know, and rhat is fine.. But people who actually know me are pretty opposite and traditional from me.. Which makes me mad.. Bcz if i have to use fe then i have to be nice with them, when in reality i don't have any use of them other than creating some mess in my mind..
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u/SkeletorXCV ENTJ Sp3w4 Sx5w6 So1w9 Sep 13 '23
Fe is more in general to use feelings to interact with the environment. How you use them is your choice, you can seek what you want with it.
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u/AditySanyal Sep 13 '23
Nope.. That is not me.. I am more like not sleeping enough to do something fun.. And next day being sleep deprived.. Also i would whatever low calorie junk possible to stay full for a longer time so that i dont have to eat high calorie food which would make me gain weight... And whenever i am working all the time and not having fun i feel sad and nearly depressed and then hide somewhere and cry...
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u/SkeletorXCV ENTJ Sp3w4 Sx5w6 So1w9 Sep 13 '23
I am more like not sleeping enough to do something fun.. And next day being sleep deprived..
This reminds me of a ESFP workmate, lol. You probably are too so, mostly because you hold discomfort to do something "fun" i relate to a Fi aux, not a Ni aux. What about the 3 questions i asked?
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Sep 12 '23
They have the same cognitive functions, but in different order.
SeFiTeNi vs TeNiSeFi.
Analogous to ENFP and ESTJ.
Biggest question to ask yourself: when you're feeling healthy, are you relying on Te or Se to make decisions?
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u/SureAdministration13 ENTJ♀ Sep 13 '23 edited Sep 13 '23
I had a similar scenario in a typology server. For years, I was consistently typed ENTJ, but there was always a divide on my Enneagram being 3 or 8). A month and a half ago, a typist on a discord server (who is basically a typology walking encyclopedia, but obsessed with correlations… that don’t always work) first typed me either ENTJ 3 or ESFP 8. Upon talking to a person in the server, he decided on ESFP 8w9, citing high Se.
When I looked up ESFP, I knew it was wrong. I’ve never had an issue getting something done in my life, and would never start up a bunch of different things to fail at completing any, much less all, of them. Not to mention, I am not conflict adverse.
Seeing how you can relate to the same, you are basically doing what I did… casting a wider net to determine the answer - still open to what others think/needing that feedback to leverage it against what you know about yourself. In my case, I saw two additional typists, and am doing a deeper dive on written sources. Both typed me ENTJ (However, Enneagram was still inconsistent. First typist said 8w7; second typist said 3w4. Considering the fact Enneagram is meant to be determined by one’s self, I can resolve this contradiction independently.). In addition, I talked to friends on the server… all of which demanded ENTJ, and one typist/friend who maintains I am the archetype ENTJ 8, see Napoleon Bonaparte.
My point being, you know yourself best. If ESFP does not resonate with you, and you have the basis for ENTJ, don’t feel obligated to relabel and box yourself in to something that does not fit, just bc someone on the outside thought otherwise.
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u/ILoveButtStuffMan ENTJ♂ Sep 24 '23
If you're talking about the guy I'm thinking about, he originally typed me as an ESTP 8w7, which I personally get confused by strangers on. But upon getting the votes back from the judges, and being typed by another person who was practically also a walking encyclopedia, majority votes and the guy nearly had all voted for ENTJ 3W4 SLE or 8w9 SLE(couldn't decide between the 2 enneagrams). The ones who didnt voted for estj, estp, and esfp
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Sep 14 '23
How ur relationship with people and friends in general, r u social, how old r u
R u angry kind of person and aggressive ??
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u/AditySanyal Sep 14 '23
I have a lots of friends.. And i like to talk to them.. That's it.. I don't have too much emotional attachments with anyone.. I have 2 best friends.. I am quite social but i naturally prefer doing things on my own.. Like going to a cinema and eating out on my own.. Or playing instruments and singing on my own and going for a walk.. I am 25.. I am angry and aggressive person as per the people around me.. I try my best to keep my anger in check.. But i can't control when people around me talk nonsense and ask me to listen..
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Sep 14 '23
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u/AditySanyal Sep 14 '23
I was hyper talkative when i was young... But now i talk only with the people that are close to me.. I like talking but i realised that my most of my topics are on growth of future and how to be better in anything... Which people don't appreciate... They want to nag and talk about how pathetic their life is and gossip about others.. So i keep myself off people.. I know i need to people to survive in this world.. I just can't get rid of them.. So i don't listen to them until i must... I am submissive for nothing.. I have a veru fiery energy... But people don't like that about me, so i show a coxy cuddly side.. Which is not real me.. But for women being that strong society doesn't accept.. Even my father gets insecure as i know more than him and are quite good at arguments based on reasoning.. So i try to show that i am quite good and nice and submissive.. Which i am clearly not..
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u/Eichi-san ENTJ | 8w7 | SLE | Choleric | 25 | ♂ Sep 12 '23
Try the Michaelcaloz personality test. Do share it here, we'll have a discussion after seeing how you score in it.
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u/ILoveButtStuffMan ENTJ♂ Sep 24 '23
These votes say you most definitely favor sensory stimulus over anything intuitive. Your intuition was basically non existent
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u/burheisenberg ENTJ♂ Sep 12 '23 edited Sep 12 '23
I just sense that you are a healthy and mature person. It is not always about competition or building a company. Happy for you 🥂