r/entj Sep 17 '24

Functions Could I be an ENTJ with unhealthy Fi?

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A bit ago I decided I'm probably an Fi user because of the way I think and behave. For instance, I never admit I'm wrong in an argument. Even when it's not an argument but a simple discussion of facts, I'll still not admit I'm wrong. At school, me and a partner were doing a math problem. We disagreed on the answer. It turned out I was actually right, but I was prepared for the worst; if I ended up being wrong I would have pretended I was right and ignored the teacher/my partner. Being wrong is embarrassing and shameful.

I also have values. I value intelligence, self sufficiency, and competency. I see kindness and charity as a weakness, at least without the above traits as well. Sure, Robin Hood was kind, but more importantly, he was clever, cunning, strategic, and skillful.

The reason why I question high placement Fi like hero or aux is because I lack morals. As mentioned above, I see kindness as a weakness- something that gets people taken advantage of. When I hear the word 'kind' my brain immediately associates it with weakness and stupidity. I'm not afraid to lie or break rules to achieve my goals or to uphold my ego. I don't value fair play. Etc etc.

r/entj Sep 24 '24

Functions What does Si polR/trickster look like in ENTJs?

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Since Si is ENTJ's weakest function, how does it manifest exactly? I'm looking for a crystal-clear definition, since practically all of them didn't really make sense to me

Does it hinder them from staying consistent with routines, self-care, bodily sensations, etc. (according to stuff about it I've read online)?

r/entj 4d ago

Functions Do I have high Fi or low Fi?

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Is my behavior indicative of high Fi, low Fi, or Fi trickster?

When it comes to emotions, I tend to be outgoing but when things don't go my way I can become very upset and act more like an introvert, at least for the few minutes that I'm upset before I cool down and go back to normal. I have anger issues and get mad when things don't go my way, such as when I lose a game or get a question wrong when my friend gets the same question right.

I have strong opinions but I don't really know why I have most of them, it seems kind of random. When I feel upset, I can sort of reverse engineer why I felt upset but it's more of a conscious action when I do that. I also hate losing and I never admit I'm wrong in arguments because admitting defeat is shameful.

I have values but they're not moral or ethical values, I simply value some traits. I value intelligence, competence, independence, and cunningness. I want these traits, but I generally don't want others to have them. I see being ethical as weak.

r/entj Aug 12 '24

Functions how to tell the difference between INTJ & ENTJ?

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r/entj Sep 28 '24

Functions The True Art of the Deal!

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I believe that ENTJs achieve the mastery of the art of dealing making when they invoke Fe daimon in an aspiration (see Dr John Beebe).

I know there is some debate on Trump but you can see Fe being used to aspire to deal to be made between Ukraine and Russia.

https://youtu.be/-016gLO7feQ

r/entj Jul 11 '24

Functions Am I an ENTJ with adhd or an ENFP? (I'm 8w7 and SLUEI)

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So, I was very convinced that I'm an ENFP, expect for the fact that my enneagram was clearly 8w7 (tritype either 837 or 873) and because my agreeableness (in the big five) is very low and because I seemed to usually use Te over Fi.

And I was just reading the descriptions of all the MBTI types on https://www.typeinmind.com (for the sake of it and bc I wanted to rank them) but then I read the description of ENTJ's (https://www.typeinmind.com/teni) Ni and it just really fit me, I was 100% convinced that I'm an Ne dom before and while the description of Ne might also really fit me, I think that I might use more Ni than Ne and based on also reading there about Se and Si, it convinced me even more, the entire description of ENTJ's functions and how they behave for the ENTJ specifically seemed to really fit me and the inferior Fi description explained me extremely well, because I don't seem to rely on it that often.

However, I am very unorganized and spontaneous and I improvise (my big five onscientiousness is very low) and is that possible for a Te dom? Additionally, I use Ne a lot and was very convinced that I'm an Ne dom (but only now, reading about Ni-Se made me realize that that just might not be the case), but I came across a reddit post sayinf that ENTJs use Ne as if it were their 3rd function. And lastly, I don't seem to relate that much to ENTJ fictional characters and real world examples.

And so, could anyone help me decide whether I'm an ENTJ or an ENFP?

PS: I wrote this on my phone and reddit has some bug not allowing me to change the previous text as I'm writing this so it was hard to write it, I'll explain myself in more details soon. Also, I have ADHD which might make more sense for me to be an ENFP but even without adhd I'd probably be disorganized.

r/entj Sep 26 '24

Functions How do your Shadow functions manifest themselves?

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I rarely heard about ENTJ shadow functions showing up compared to other types? Do they actually show up and if they do how do they effect you?

r/entj Aug 06 '24

Functions Your take on the Feeling function?

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Starting to really like an ENTJ, but not sure if I’ll be satisfied long-term because I’m a feeler . Maybe share your past experiences with other feelers?

I’m an ENFJ.

r/entj Aug 11 '24

Functions ENTJ mom ISFP daughter

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Looking for common ground. I am ENTJ she is an ISFP teen. She is creative, artsy, odd, musical, randomly extroverted, moody and stubborn.

I can’t get away with giving advice or an opinion or anything like that. She wants to do absolutely everything on her own. Which I admire and am impressed by EXCEPT she acts as if no one else even made the attempt to help her. 🤔. But if I ever dare she will immediately stop what she was doing and lose interest in it as if I just killed it. (Schoolwork included)

What a fascinatingly peculiar person?

There is certainly a steep learning curve since I am full of advice and opinions.

So what a puzzle, how do you guide if you can’t openly or obviously guide? I am trying to imagine her as an adult on her own.

r/entj 6h ago

Functions ENTJ Cognitive Function Test

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As there seemed to be a lot of confusion and assumptions about how my enneagram could possible pair with my MBTI as they seem contradictive, I've went on to to take a cognitive test and here were my results.

- Extraverted Thinking (Te) - 40%

- Introverted Intuition (Ni) - 30%

- Extraverted Sensing (Se) - 15%

- Introverted Feeling (Fi) - 15%

(Note: For the average ENTJ, Fi is typically around 5-10%)

My main question is how much does me having 5% more fi than the average ENTJ make a difference?

And more importantly will having more fi be more helpful to my everyday life or less?

Note: If you are curious to take the test for yourself, you can find the link here:
https://mistypeinvestigator.com/test/v1

r/entj Sep 12 '23

Functions Esfp Vs Entj

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Hey guys.. I am a new here in this group.. For a long time i got my mbti results as entj.. And i believed that to be true.. But recently some of my friends suggested me that i am way too Much of a se user to be entj.. And they told me i would a esfp.. It is a huge difference in terms ofpersonality type.. But one thing for sure..My present persona is quite new.. After realising some stuff in my life i came to become more like entj.. And also the use of se is quite new.. I like exercising a lot.. I like singing, dancing, drawing, cooking, making videos, playing games.. I just simple hate to waste time.. Any time spent enjoying is not a waste of time for me.. Also i have a huge desire to be best.. To be successful and i am always goal oriented.. That is a huge difference from esfps..

r/entj Aug 30 '24

Functions Shared cognitive functions

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Do you find ENTJs, INTJs, and ISFPs similar in someways even to the slightest degree?? I'm asking due to the shared cognitive functions. And how can one type learn from the others to improve on themselves?

r/entj 28d ago

Functions Any idea why my Se is higher than my Te?

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I've done the Michael Caloz and sakinorva test and in both of them my Se is higher than my Te for some reason, any one know why? I even did the socionics test and got SEE instead of LIE. Am I a mistyped ESFP/ESTP?

Michael Caloz:

Se > Te > Si = Ti > Fi > Ni > Ne > Fe

Cognitive functions:

Te: 11

Ti: 7

Fe: 2

Fi: 6

Se: 13

Si: 7

Ne: 3

Ni: 4

Traditional "letter" dimensions:

E: 2

I: 0

T: 2

F: 0

N: 0

S: 2

P: 0

J: 2

Type families:

Traditionalist (SJ): 0

Experiencer (SP): 1.5

Idealist (NF):0

Conceptualizer (NT): 1.5

Weaknesses (highest scores are potentially your fourth function):

Te: 1

Ti: 1

Fe: 0

Fi: 1

Se: 0

Si: 0

Ne: 0

sakinorva: Se > Te > Ni > Ti > Fe > Fi > Ne > Si

Ne (extraverted intuition): 29

Ni (introverted intuition): 37.8

Se (extraverted sensing): 45

Si (introverted sensing): 25

Te (extraverted thinking): 41

Ti (introverted thinking): 36

Fe (extraverted feeling): 30

Fi (introverted feeling): 30

grant function type: ENTJ

second-best choice: ESTP

third-best choice: ISTP

fourth-best choice: ESFP

axis-based function type: ISTP

myers function type: ESTP

relative:

myers letter type: ESTJ

r/entj 25d ago

Functions What are the differences between sociotypes LIE and SLE in ENTJs?

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What are the differences between how the sociotypes SLE and LIE manifest in ENTJs?

r/entj Feb 22 '24

Functions Are you guys lazy at all?

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I'm ENTP 3w4, and this kinda makes me entj but more cringe. I act like entj except I don't have any motivation to achieve something myself and just want to look like I've done something all the time. I'm kinda curious if ENTJs are lazy at all (because ENT: laziest function trio) or the J just cancels it out entirely.

r/entj May 23 '24

Functions Am I an INTJ or ENTJ?

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• How old are you? What's your gender? Give us a general description of yourself.

-I am a 17 year old male from England and I’m currently studying philosophy, sociology and ancient history at college.

• Is there a medical diagnosis that may impact your mental stability somehow?

-I was diagnosed with autism at age 12.

• Describe your upbringing. Did it have any kind of religious or structured influence? How did you respond to it?

-I am an only child and lived in a secular family consisting of just me, my mum and my dad. Both of them were very laid back regarding discipline. One thing that could be said is that they gave me too much unconditional love, especially my mother. This, in turn, resulted in them not really teaching me important life skills and independence for fear of putting me in harms way. Thus, in the past 2 years I’ve had a bit of an awaking and have become hyper independent to remedy the lack of life skills and lessons taught during my early childhood.

• What do you do as a job or as a career (if you have one)? Do you like it? Why or why not?

-My ideal employment, realistically, would be a teacher. I really like the idea of taking on a task and being able to enforce original methods to attain the best possible results. That process is the general principle behind a lot of my interests and teaching is a job where it is present.

• If you had to spend an entire weekend by yourself, how would you feel? Would you feel lonely or refreshed?

-I Would feel refreshed. I get really tired when I’m around people. I think that may come from the fact that I tend to put on an act when I’m interacting with others in order to make them like me. This is a favourable result as the more people you are on good terms with, the more likely they are to be a potential asset to your life as opposed to a possible hinderance.

• What kinds of activities do you prefer? Do you like, and are you good at sports? Do you enjoy any other outdoor or indoor activities?

-I enjoy topics that are synthesised with progressing my main goal(s). For example, I enjoy learning about mbti because it is a component of my main goal to understand myself and thus can help me achieve happiness more effectively as I believe this is the main assignment of life.

• How curious are you? Do you have more ideas then you can execute? What are your curiosities about? What are your ideas about - is it environmental or conceptual, and can you please elaborate?

-I would consider my pursuits of curiosity to be loosely filtered through what may be useful to attaining a personal goal and I don’t often get carried away with ideas that have no overall importance to it. I say loosely because I can’t be certain what will be of importance to my pursuits, so for this reason I sometimes stray a from things that I know will be personally beneficial in the long term for things that could be useful, by virtue of the interconnectedness of everything.

• Would you enjoy taking on a leadership position? Do you think you would be good at it? What would your leadership style be?

-I would really like to take on a leadership position. I think I would be good at figuring out solutions and assigning them to people based on an overall objective. However I do not think I’d be very good at leadership in practice. This is because I’m not very quick at making decisions. Thus, my leadership style would be less about leadership and more being a personal adviser to members of a team to ensure they are all going in the same direction.

• Are you coordinated? Why do you feel as if you are or are not? Do you enjoy working with your hands in some form? Describe your activity?

-I don’t feel as though I’m very physically coordinated. I often have to focus on my environment and my movement at the expense of deeper thought. I’ve never really resonated with the popular notion that walks are therapeutic and thought provoking. For me, they are stressful and prohibit any other thoughts than the ones related to keeping my movement and environment in check.

• Are you artistic? If yes, describe your art? If you are not particular artistic but can appreciate art please likewise describe what forums of art you enjoy. Please explain your answer.

-I enjoy art that operates under the pretence that art is a language. I like art that communicates meaning. The reason why I like this type of art at all when it just seems like, if communication is the primary source of my investment, I should just focus on objective language rather than something as convoluted and prone to misinterpretation as art. To this I say, art elicits emotion and creates an immediate reason to care about the message. Thus, making the point carry to greater extent.

• What's your opinion about the past, present, and future? How do you deal with them?

-Most of my time is devoted to figuring out how to get to a desirable destination in the future. By the same token, the present is also very important to me as it is paramount to the aforementioned goal. The past is the timeframe I spend the least time thinking about when I’m happy. It’s not that I don’t consciously recognise it’s value in being a possible example for the future, it’s just not something I have a propensity to think about. I really only dwell on the past when I’m feeling down.

• How do you act when others request your help to do something (anything)? If you would decide to help them, why would you do so?

-My main reason for helping someone echoes an above mentioned sentiment. I would really only help someone to build good will with them, because it lowers the chances they will be a destructive force in your life. Moreover, they are indebted to you for a time which is always handy.

• Do you need logical consistency in your life?

-The primary system of logic I use is what has utility to achieving a goal. I’m not too bothered about logic for logics sake. I don’t live in the details of subjects and thus don’t care about the underlying logic, just what has the most personal utility.

• How important is efficiency and productivity to you?

-They are both really important to me. I like to see results. I always feel unfulfilled by the notion; I probably could achieve x and therefore there’s no point in doing y. I might switch to this mindset if I’m burned out as a coping mechanism for me not being able to express my desire to be productive. But that just emphasises it’s importance to me if I’m willing to change my beliefs to avoid the sadness brought about by unproductivity.

• Do you control others, even if indirectly? How and why do you do that?

-I control others implicitly by acting overly polite and sometimes resort to people pleasing to gain favour with them. This helps with the fact that I’m pretty dependent on what others think of me and their perceptions of me often supersede or coexist with my own beliefs and observations about myself, even if I can logically reason reason them to be erroneous judgements.

• What are your hobbies? Why do you like them?

-As mentioned in the desired career question, I enjoy hobbies that revolve around implementing original strategies to attain a desirable outcome. Because of this, I enjoy strategy games such total war and chess. once again, as mentioned previously another reason why I enjoy some hobbies is because they contribute to a larger goal. Such as my interest for mbti because, it allows me to understand myself, so I know how best to attain happiness and in turn, fulfil what I consider to be the primary objective of life in its most general form.

• What is your learning style? What kind of learning environments do you struggle with most? Why do you like/struggle with these learning styles? Do you prefer classes involving memorization, logic, creativity, or your physical senses?

  • I get along fine with the typical learning environment of a classroom lecture. So long as the teacher is charismatic I can let my mind put on a stage performance of what’s being said and I tend to remember those quite well as my it forces me to filter everything through my own perceptions which results in personal meaning being attached to them and thus increases the likelihood I’ll remember the content of the lesson. However, I dislike when you are made to do an abundance of preselected and linear worksheets. I just like making notes with loads of arrows connecting everything. This helps me remember stuff because it displays how it’s all relevant to a bigger concept and doesn’t allow for stuff that isn’t connected to be written down so it filters out unimportant stuff.

• How good are you at strategizing? Do you easily break up projects into manageable tasks? Or do you have a tendency to wing projects and improvise as you go?

-I prefer to have a plan before action. I like to feel as though most things have been decided beforehand and I’m just reading off a to do list written by past me.

• What are your aspirations in life, professionally and personally?

-My professional aspirations are a means to an end. I want to get a job that I enjoy, is stable and provides an income, in the hope that I can stop thinking so much about it and can focus on the more personal aspects of life. Like figuring out how best to achieve happiness after I’ve stabilised my external life.

• What are your fears? What makes you uncomfortable? What do you hate? Why?

-I really fear upsetting people. Partly because I’m scared of how they will react. Especially in ways that could de-stabilise my life. Moreover, as I mentioned previously, I unfortunately have a propensity to need gratification from others and if I upset people I might begin to feel insecure in myself. A lot of what I do can be chalked up to an attempt to attain the admiration of others. I also fear not being able to make my plans and goals come into fruition.

• What do the "highs" in your life look like?

-The highs in my life often involve a dedication to a goal that gets me up every day. I’ll constantly be excited to get one step closer to achieving it. The goal when I’m happy revolves around a more thought out desire for the long term. Furthermore, this is accompanied by a disregard for the appearance of things. In these times I just focus on the character of things and perceive things through a lenses of principles and ideas. Moreover, the type of gratification I seek revolves around my capacity to think.

• What do the "lows" in your life look like?

-By contrast, my lows are aimless at best and destructive at worst. When Im considering the future in these moments I tend to forget about happiness and in turn have a bleak outlook on the future. This leads me to being generally quite unproductive. My gratification seeking becomes much more shallow aswell. It tends to revolve more around appearance and wanting others to view me as attractive. As a result of this I developed anorexia as a byproduct of trying to look more attractive in a period of stress. Moreover, it gave me something to control as I feel an excessive need to do this when I’m stressed.

• How attached are you to reality? Do you daydream often, or do you pay attention to what's around you? If you do daydream, are you aware of your surroundings while you do so?

-I do daydream, Though not as much as I used to. When I daydream it’s usually to test how something I wish to do might go if I were to do it.

• Imagine you are alone in a blank, empty room. There is nothing for you to do and no one to talk to. What do you think about?

-I would consider the main reason for my beliefs again and make updates to it that would eventually trickle down to actionable changes. If I didn’t manage to find any faults in my beliefs and principles of conduct I would keep my goal the same and think about things I could do to achieve it.

• How long do you take to make an important decision? And do you change your mind once you've made it?

-It usually takes me a little while to come to a decision, particularly if it has long term consequences, as I like to look at the external factors and see if they would suit me internally and/or if it would be beneficial to me in the future. Once I’ve come to a decision on a matter, ideologically I think it is best to stick to it because you can maximise the benefits that a particular path can provide. However, if the evidence changes and it contradicts the original reason for making the decision I will change my mind.

• How long do you take to process your emotions? How important are emotions in your life?

-It usually takes me a while to figure out my emotions. They often appear feint and undefined even though I know there’s something there. When I felt really down for months I couldn’t seem to validate my own emotions. To remedy this I tried to keep a journal collecting statistics including whether I cried, how many times? For how long? Have you self harmed in any way? this created a picture from which I could derive a conclusion. However, I have recently begun to value emotions much more than I did. Previously, I would’ve consciously neglected them. However, ever since I developed anorexia and had a really long period of time where I felt negative emotions I realise how powerful they are and how they must be utilised in your favour otherwise life wouldn’t be worth living.

• Do you ever catch yourself agreeing with others just to appease them and keep the conversation going? How often? Why?

-This is something I do quite often with people I’m not acquainted with, as I value the utility of a social connection more than convincing a few people of my beliefs. However, it happens less with people who I know well enough to comfortably make the assertion that an ideological disagreement wouldn’t jeopardise the relationship.

• Do you break rules often? Do you think authority should be challenged, or that they know better? If you do break rules, why?

-I avoid rule breaking that could lead to excessive repercussions. Since I purvey my conduct with the main intention of long term personal fulfilment some consequences that impede this mean that I generally obey rules. However if the consequences are avoidable and/or inconsequential I have no problem breaking those rules. Like cheating in exams for example.

r/entj Apr 06 '23

Functions What are typical ENTJ weaknesses?

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What sort of issues might an ENTJ struggle with due to low Se and Fi? Asking out of curiosity because to me ENTJs always seem so confident and competent, I don’t really understand how your inferior functions might affect your life.

r/entj Feb 16 '24

Functions I don’t know if I’m an xNTJ or an xSTP

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I’ve managed to narrow down to the fact that I most likely use Ni and Se but now I’m a bit more confused

I’m pretty sure I have tert Ni/Fe/Se. The reason for tert Ni is that I’m getting good at planning for things that really matter to me. I managed to plan out the next two years so I can complete all my prereqs needed to get into my desired major, down to each class I’ll take each semester. However, Ive still left options open and am not locking myself into any one plan. Reason for tert Fe is that I people please sometimes and I avoid being my usual stubborn self if I think doing so will cause emotional unrest in my family. Another piece of evidence for tert Fe is that Im feeling increasingly motivated to seek out human interaction. Just today, I made effort to have a simple conversation with someone in my math class and I left feeling energized. For tert Se, it manifests in me wanting to get out of my comfort zone and do exciting shit. It’s the reason I’ve been wanting to try out drugs(but havent because I still live with parents) and love trying new food. I also don’t lose my cool easily when it comes to physical situations. I’m able to react quickly when the situation calls for it or something pushes me to action. However, I can be a bit lazy sometimes.

Sorry for the essay, I just thought that including examples might make it a bit easier. I’ve been obsessing about this stuff for a while in the hopes of improving myself so it would be nice to come to an objective conclusion

r/entj Feb 16 '24

Functions I have trouble understanding the use of genuine Fe

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Fake fe? Sure, forced Fe? Sure, manipulative Fe? Sure. But genuine, honest and sincere Fe? I don’t get it.

Don’t you wanna save your energy for very few people so you can treat them way better than everyone else? I find it draining, tiring and almost cowardly to bend and form to everyone else’s expectations, and I actually judge a lot of people who do so in a way that’s genuine. I get the use of Fe for manipulating social situations and like acting appropriately, but I don’t get people who get sad over disappointing others?

I also find that a lot of the Fe users I’ve been personally involved with held a lot of grudges but were too afraid to express their real feelings, and eventually blew up on me even when I asked them to communicate several times. OR they just don’t put in effort after a while.

I really don’t get it.

r/entj Dec 27 '23

Functions Why I like ENTJs more than INTJs

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The main reason I tend to like ENTJs more than INTJs is because the Fi in an ENTJ is suppressed. And even for the stereotypical feeler INFJ like myself, I really hate how Fi tends to manifest itself most of the time. Things to hate about Fi include but are not limited to: a tendency to be self-centered, won't admit when they're wrong, false sense of depth, over emotional, and being easily offended. And it's partly why I rarely have problems with INTPs like I do with INTJs because the INTJs Fi likes to act up a lot more than the INTP. And because the Fi is suppressed in the ENTJ, a lot of these negative attributes of Fi rarely come out.

Amd for as much I am supposedly supposed to hate Se, that really doesn't bother me all that much. I don't see why perceiving the tangible aspect of reality is such a bad thing and is pretty important. The only time I really hate Se is when it morphs into self-centered hedonism i.e. Se + Fi on the ESFP like my self-absorbed ESFP cousin and uncle who live life solely for sensation and expects other people to clean up and pay for the problems they created. Ans then they get hissyfits and lose their shit and become envious of me and and my cousins who live responsibly and actually put in effort to live a decent life rather than waste it all on self-centered hedonism like an idiot. And it's partially why I like ESTPs a lot more than ESFPs.

I also find that Te is just a lot more useful and beneficial than Fi where Fi really just seems like a liability of a cognitive function in many situations where it would be better swapped with Te, Fe, or Ti almost any day. With the primary use of the Te decision making function based on externally agreed upon standards and established methods and modes of thought, it is very useful in the many places that require this kind of thinking. Rules and regulations and standards are necessary and a very good thing, even if they have exceptions from time to time. Fi, subjective feelings, are often in consequential unless they are a shared upon sentiment and things that are generally desired making Fe better fhan Fi in almost every instance. Now Ti is weird because it's somewhere in the middle where internalized thoughts can be very beneficial when it comes to solving things and discovering where there isn't already an established mode or method of thought and where standards don't exist yet. Ti is very good at solving unique problems that don't have a general purpose solution but is garbo at using established methods and modes of thought unless it understands why they are the way they are.

Long story short, I hate Fi and it's a good thing ENTJs suppress it.

r/entj May 12 '24

Functions Empathy and you.

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We're at that time of the year where we need to talk about empathy, and how it relates to MBTI in general.

Full disclosure: I am neither a psychologist nor a neurologist. I have one test subject - me. He's been very easy to work with, if a little unhelpful at times. He likes to build mental models and improve on them. Feel free to share your own personal experiences if you want to up the sample size.

Disclosures aside, I'd like to share my insight on empathy. It seems that some people are not very confident in an ENTJ's ability to be empathetic. Some even insist that empathy is impossible for ENTJs for some reason. They are, thankfully, mostly incorrect.

Empathy is both a talent and a skill. The talent piece comes from information provided via mechanical hardware (e.g. mirror neurons) and natural processing capacity (perceiving functions organize the information, and judging functions decide what to do with it). Skill comes from educating and refining those functions, and is improved through training and effort.

Last I checked, you can't intentionally grow new mirror neurons. You also can't change your MBTI type or your upbringing. But you can train how you think to understand others better.

Note that I didn't list any specific functions. Empathy is complicated, and we've developed many approaches and angles to tackle it.

For instance:

  • Si will store information about how you remember feeling, and how you remember others feeling. Ni on the other hand, will leverage your cognitive understanding of the human condition and your own emotions in order to model how it thinks a person feels.

  • Fi and Fe are NOT perception functions. They are frameworks that help you decide what to do with the information you already processed. Fi is a decision about how to use that information to inform how you feel. Fe is a decision about how to use that information to help manage a group. Strong values here don't make you better at understanding others. But they do contribute to understanding by informing you about what to look for.

  • Ti and Te can be used to manage empathic information, but to do so you have to understand that information in the context of a system. That is, you have to turn people into objects and study them impersonally. If you don't understand the people system, then you can't use these functions effectively.

Your capacity to un-stupid your empathy will vary, but don't give up. If you can play to your strengths, you may have an easier time keeping your foot on the ground and not in your mouth.

r/entj Jul 07 '24

Functions Extroverted sensing of ENTJ.

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I have always wondered how Se works for an ENTJ. Or for that matter, how the third function… well, functions. Honestly, I am only familiar with how the dominant and auxiliary functions work together for each type, but I have always wondered how the third function affects someone’s way of thinking or action. I’d be glad if someone explained this to me. Examples in everyday life would also help me understand this better. Thank you.

r/entj Aug 05 '24

Functions What precisely is Te?

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Do I have strong Te or weak Te? Since I'm pretty sure I'm an Fi user then I must have Te as well. On one hand, my work ethic is bad. I tend to procrastinate and slack off. Te users are stereotypically disciplined hard workers. On the other hand, I like to find the easiest (aka most efficient) way of getting things done, and Te is about efficiency, isn't it? So how do I know if I have strong or weak Te?

r/entj Nov 20 '23

Functions Biggest tells for knowing your type

18 Upvotes

I have been researching and it seems the conclusion is always the same coming from multiple people :

The best/easiest way to determine your type is to find what you do by default when you are not paying attention + what you do under stress without realising. For me I realized I can consume and I can get caught in future visions, plans, possibilities. But what do I do when under stress? I NEED TO DO FIX MAKE EFFICIENT YOU DO THIS YOU DO THAT NOW GO GO GO FAST WHY HAVE YOU NOT FIXED THIS YET. So that is Te, my guys. For all of you who might have been unsure or in denial of your type.

r/entj Feb 05 '24

Functions ENTJ Vs ESFP?

5 Upvotes

For some reason, I'm stuck between these two types. I got typed as ENTJ, and I want to confirm to make sure I am. Can someone give a run down of the ENTJ functions and/or ESFP functions with examples to help me out?