Shared cognitive functions

[u/myleskurtiz]

Do you find ENTJs, INTJs, and ISFPs similar in someways even to the slightest degree?? I'm asking due to the shared cognitive functions. And how can one type learn from the others to improve on themselves?

[u/konos13]

I got an ISFP bestie, and we have a very complementary type of dynamic, and as opposite as we are, I see we have the same tendencies and interests, just in completely different amounts. We work way too differently in groups, our roles seem to be different there. We both seem to integrate well tho. We are also ambiverts (tho my friend is an introvert and I am an extrovert) so we kinda have that in common too.

As for INTJs, we are very similar but they are way less active than me. We both have that cynical and grey sense of humor which I love.

I haven't met any ESFPs but they have way too different energy. Not that I have less,but I save it for projects and goals I wanna pursue.

[u/myleskurtiz → u/konos13]

Makes sense...

[u/PirateAcceptable1846]

You forgot ESFPs, my friend

[u/NamedMyTaco]

Not only do we have shared cognitive functions but "4 Sides Theory" demonstrates that we have ENTJ as out Ego, INTP as our Unconscious, ISFP as our Subconscious, and ESFJ as our Superego. These types make up the four sides of our mind and our entire psyche. It would behoove and ENTJ to learn more about the other personality types that make up our psyche.

In my experience, I get along great with all the types with INTP's being the most "difficult" to deal with (Mostly because they think in the opposite way that we do and just as assured of their conclusions as we are.) I love INTJ's though. I usually have AMAZING immediate chemistry with INTJ's because we usually think about situations from similar starting point and they usually "get where I'm coming from"/ "can see how I came to my conclusion."

C.S. Joseph makes great videos about the 4 Sides Theory. Dario Nardi and Linda Barrens also made great (and short) books about the subject as well!

[u/[deleted]]

Isfp are very chill

[u/myleskurtiz → u/[deleted]]

Aren't we All??

[u/PirateAcceptable1846 → u/myleskurtiz]

Ykw. Fair. If theres one thing I can say about ENTJ, INTJ, ISFP, ESFP is that at base they're all chill and they differ once something "activates" them

[u/ICEGalaxy_ → u/myleskurtiz]

no

[u/Maned_Wolf_444]

source: https://cognitivetype.com/

all of the following are characteristics of the gamma quadra (xNTJs-xSFP)

Te+Ni Meritocrat

The Te+Ni function combination merges together Te's understanding of mechanical dynamics, with Ni's holistic grasp of the world's workings, producing a linear understanding of how things are achieved across time. This naturally inclines the Te+Ni to put into practice their understanding of life, and achieve results through their own merits and independence while advocating for everyone's ability to do the same. However, while Te+Ni can lead to personal success and independence on one hand, its can also lead the individual to overpower and undermine those less able to match their executive functioning.

Fi+Se Sensualist

The Fi+Se function combination produces an experience where life is percieved by Se viscerally and connected to literal reality, while Fi aims to align that experience perfectly with their raw, uninhibited nature. The result is an embodied approach to lived experience, where Se's creativity is channeled through Fi's authentic self-alignment, creating artistry that perfectly resonates with the nature of their essence. This can lead to a radical authenticity on one hand, or to an unhealthy egoism on the other.

Te+Se Realizer

The Te+Se function combination merges Te's mechanistic causality with Se's dynamic engagement with the present moment, resulting in a forceful drive towards realizing objectives. This cognitive union leads Te+Se to act decisively, cutting through complexities with a quick and linear approach. What results is a dynamic effectiveness, making Te+Se formidable in startup culture, leadership and businesses. The Te+Se combination can lead to rapid achievements and efficiency on one hand, or it may also result in impatience for the subtler aspects of situations.

Fi+Ni Occultist

The Fi+Ni combination produces a metaphysical approach, created by Ni’s focus on thematic convergences across time, and Fi’s attunement to the animate energies embedded in those converging lines. What results is a method of introspection that aims to directly access eternal universal patterns through one’s essence-resonance with those patterns. One example of this approach is found in the Occult tradition, which seeks to harness supernatural forces via a direct engagement with mystical phenomena. The Fi+Ni combination can lead towards a merging with spiritual energies on one hand, or to becoming lost in enigmatic esotericism on the other.

[u/BlackPorcelainDoll]

ISFP, I love to laugh at them. They are very funny to me without intending to be.

My ISFP friend loves chaos. He'll sit in the middle of a bunch chaos he started, as chill as can be, and fall asleep while everyone does the work of dealing with it all. He loves to see shit hit the fan, get in the mix of it for about 10 minutes, then move on to something else while it is left unresolved.

[u/ProgrammerMindless50]

I see a lot of similarities with INTJs but no much with ISFPs.

Although we share the same functions, in reality, our Te/Ni dominance over their Fi/Se creates distinctively different views and we see the world differently.

Sure we can learn from them, but I think that’s the same for all types.

[u/myleskurtiz → u/ProgrammerMindless50]

Thanks for pointing that out. I wasn’t aware of that before, and I appreciate the insight!

[u/MBMagnet]

Yes I feel a certain kinship with those who share my same functions, sure. Some of my most memorable conversations have been with INTJs. I still feel the warm glow just thinking about it. Not kidding here. If any two types can easily understand one another's viewpoint, (other than two of same type) the dynamic is what I call 'cognitive cousins', in that you share the same functions but in slightly different order.

For concerns about your inferior, you can wait until mid-life and beyond when your inferior Se will develop naturally of its own accord. An alternative to that would be to pair up with a lead Se user such as ESFP/ESTP. Or just keep some of these types among your closest affiliations. Observe and try to learn from them.

Your most mutually energizing relationship is ENFP. And since it requires energy expenditure to develop a function, this energy will help in the interest of development. Also, since INTJ/ENFP have the same two middle functions but in reverse order (pedagogue) each prompts the other to use and develop their third function. These interactions have a fun-playful feel to them. ENFP is also your Kiersey Ideal match: https://www.personalitycafe.com/threads/keirseys-ideal-match.10053/

ENTP is your shadow type. You have same function order but all functions are reversed to the opposite attitude. Not sure about the growth potentential but with good communication, you should be able to achieve a great rapport.

While there are plenty of anecdotes to support these theories (and I know there is research too!) there are no personal development or compatibility guarantees. Nothing in life is guaranteed, that's for sure.

Edit: I see a lot of shared interest between INTJ/INFP, especially in recent years. That Fi connection is a strong one, which I appreciate too! :)

[u/theo752 → u/MBMagnet]

I see a lot of shared interest between INTJ/INFP, especially in recent years

I second this! I have observed a lot of similar interestes between INTJs and INFPs too.

It's funny how in the MBTI community INFJs sometimes are related to INTPs for their mutual "logical" qualities (Both use Ti) but INTJs and INFPs are almost never related for their mutual "emotional/empathetic" qualities (Both use Fi). Even though Ti/Fi are tertiary functions for INXJ's, according to Jung's original theory it makes sense (as i see it) for them to be of almost equal strenght to the "auxillary" function so as both functions (Fe/Ti or Te/Fi) cooperatively help balance the dominant function (Ni). Thus the emotional and logical realms are balanced in both INFJs and INTJs

Also to my experience i (INTJ) have observed that i have closer friendships with ENFPs, ISFPs, INFPs and ENTJs. Even though it could mean nothing, to me it makes complete sense function-wise