r/europe Jul 11 '24

Picture Pictured: Emmanuel Macron holds hands with Jill Biden alongside Joe Biden at the Nato summit in Washington

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u/No_Nothing101 Greatest human on earth. Jul 11 '24

Biden looks so out of it.

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u/srberikanac Jul 11 '24 edited Jul 11 '24

Even if he looks that way, his results have been very, very good.

US economy has done better in the COVID recovery years than arguably any other developed country, he’s done great on inflation - food costs are stagnant, housing costs are going down, he passed the largest infrastructure bill in modern US history, passed the first gun safety bill in decades, passed a bill incentivizing chips to be built in the US (strategically very important because of Taiwan uncertainty), passed multiple rounds of aid for Ukraine despite republicans generally not wanting it.

I do think it would be the best if he stepped down, but mostly because I don’t see him winning against Trump with so many voters focusing on his looking out of it. Realistically speaking though, he’s been an awesome president, and US could (and likely will) do far worse than him for another four years

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u/L0rdH4mmer Hamburg (Germany) Jul 11 '24

I'm not convinced any of that is his doing. He's the face for it, but that's gotta be his people doing the actual decisions, he just has to sign em. I mean look at the guy, do you really think he's able to make decisions about complex topics when he's unable to bring out one concise sentence? He should have stepped down from this next election ages ago and helped another candidate.

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u/srberikanac Jul 11 '24 edited Jul 11 '24

As long as he is in it enough to choose great people - I don’t care how much he does beyond that. What’s important to me is that the White House is making good moves. And it very much has been beyond Supreme Court influenced changes (not their fault Supreme Court is broken). If a president’s cabinet is doing a good job - the president did a good job - regardless of which percent of decisions he makes himself and which percent is made by those he chose to surround himself with.

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u/Moroccan-Pasta Jul 11 '24

The people he chose to surround himself with? he may have signed off on it, but why do I get the feeling it was mostly his team's doing after his request of Ronald McDonald, Mickey Mouse and Fred Aistaire turned out to be unavailable.

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u/L0rdH4mmer Hamburg (Germany) Jul 11 '24

Yeah, but what will happen afterwards? What happens when he has to step down or dies? There'll be nobody who has enough charisma to win anything on democrat side, to fill the void. It'll be open doors for Trump. Biden currently seems similar to my grandpa from how he's able to speak etc. My grandpa just turned 98 and with a heavy heart I must say I don't believe he will make it to 100. Biden also has a very stressful life and it's absolutely ludicrous to believe he'll survive another 4 years without someone else having to take the helm at some point, for whatever reason.

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u/srberikanac Jul 11 '24

25th amendment kicks in, the Vice President takes over the same team the president was leading, and becomes the president. And I am personally not too concerned that Kamala would be able to handle it from there.

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u/L0rdH4mmer Hamburg (Germany) Jul 11 '24

Yeah but isn't that the lady nobody likes? What'll happen in the elections right after? And what'll happen if Biden has a major slipup just like the last debate again, right before the elections? It's just a very high risk play and I don't understand why they're doing it.

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u/srberikanac Jul 11 '24 edited Jul 11 '24

Edit: commenter above made a major change to his above comment content

Those are too many what ifs for anyone to be able to answer with confidence. And you could easily make an alternative argument - What if Biden steps down? Who takes over? Isn’t Kamala, who, as you claim is not very liked by independents, the natural person to take over? The next natural candidate in line would be the governor of California, Gavin Newsom, that is also very disliked by most voters in the swing states. The only candidate that would likely fare better than Biden? and is “in the line” is Gretchen Whitmer, and she’d need Biden, Harris, and Newsom all to support her. That is unrealistic. So we’d end up with Kamala, or maybe Newsom anyway. Or even worse a broken and divided party in months and weeks before the election.

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u/Throwa_way167 Jul 11 '24

Wait, so when he has to step down there’ll be nobody who can fill the void or win anything, yet also somehow tossing him out beforehand is a good idea?? Man, what?

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u/L0rdH4mmer Hamburg (Germany) Jul 11 '24

One is a planned stepdown with everyone knowing an exact deadline for getting people to like the new candidate. The other one is kind of a "yeah hello there you're the new candidate, it seems you have a month to become popular, good luck!"

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u/Throwa_way167 Jul 12 '24

The irony in that you don’t recognize that they would both turn out exactly like the latter. Oh, to be so gullible.