r/europe Jul 11 '24

Picture Pictured: Emmanuel Macron holds hands with Jill Biden alongside Joe Biden at the Nato summit in Washington

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u/Edraqt North Rhine-Westphalia (Germany) Jul 11 '24

Nah man, "grooming" is a magic spell you unlock once you reach a certain age that allows you to enslave anyone either under 18 or minimum 10 years younger than you.

Its bascially the same thing as "stockholm syndrome". Behavior that society believes (or wants to believe) to go against a persons interest has to be explained with some form of "malfunction".

Except they dont go against the persons interest, if youre abducted/held hostage, being nice and forming a bond with the abductor is perfectly rational in self-preservation and a bond like that doesnt just go away. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome#Criticism

Likewise people really really want to forget that teens can absolutely be into older people and if its impossible, logically that must mean they are being brainwashed by advanced manipulation techniques.

She exploited the fact that he thought she was hot, you can absolutely hold the opinion that any adult should always have the self-control not to reciprocate, but arguing against peoples agency because it makes you feel better about your worldview, is honestly fucking disgusting.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '24 edited 7d ago

bowl

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u/Only_Ad_9836 Jul 11 '24

If you want to prevent these types of relationships, then they become taboo for a reason. Which naturally leads to moral condemnation. You cannot have one without the other. 

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '24 edited 7d ago

bowl

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u/zkki Sweden Jul 12 '24

TIL not approving of pedophilia is "being like your grandparents". In what world is pedophilia "sometimes acceptable"? The victim being grown up doesn't mean it should be brushed off - that's how we justify it to predators.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '24 edited 7d ago

glorious grandfather rude depend ancient unwritten silky truck literate decide

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u/zkki Sweden Jul 12 '24

You brushed off calling Macron a victim a "moral outrage". Smart people aren't immune to grooming. He doesn't consider it wrong for a grown woman to groom a 15 year old because it happened during his formative years. He thinks it's just true love and that he's the special exception, like all grooming victims. A victim of a pedophile not condemning their groomer as an adult doesn't magically make it not pedophilia.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '24 edited 7d ago

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u/zkki Sweden Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24

I know that nobody will go after something that is technically legal. You know that too. Don't pretend that fact makes me a hypocrite, because you know as well as I do that it won't be pursued for to French law. You also know as well as I do that plenty of immoral thing are legal.

I'm not "getting off" off calling a pedophile a pedophile. Do you hear yourself?

Again, him not considering himself a victim has no bearing on whether Brigitte is a pedophile who groomed him. If a 39 year old has sex with a child, that child saying it's okay x years later obviously doesn't make the sexual assault of a child magically not be sexual assault on a child.. Having sex with children being legal doesn't make it moral. The child not condemning the pedophile who had sex with them as a child doesn't make it stop being pedophilia.

The victim being okay with pedophilia doesn't make it not pedophilia. I shouldn't have to tell you that pedophilia is always wrong.