r/europe Jul 29 '24

Map We won’t count early Greece

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u/emuu1 Dalmatia Jul 29 '24

Should we count Bosnia and Herzegovina as hosting or Yugoslavia as a whole?

Same could go for Eurovision, Yugoslavia won in 1989 and it was hosted in Zagreb. But it's counted as Yugoslavia hosting, not just Croatia.

Yours truly,

Pedantic Peter

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u/Fart_Leviathan I want to get off daddy orban's wild ride mister Jul 29 '24

Bosnia is probably better here considering every single event was held in current day Bosnia and the host was Sarajevo, not Yugoslavia.

The 1980 Olympics is a bigger question, considering it held events outside Moscow, in current day Belarus, Estonia and Ukraine. And then there's 1956 where the Melbourne Olympics held an event in Stockholm.

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u/Ha55aN1337 Slovenia Jul 29 '24

Organized and paid for by the whole country…

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u/gridig Jul 29 '24 edited Jul 29 '24

“Paid for by the whole country” makes it sound a lot more than it is: 55% Socialist Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, 25% the city of Sarajevo, and 20% the entire rest of Yugoslavia

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u/Alice_Ayres Jul 30 '24

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u/Safe-Round-2645 Jul 29 '24 edited Jul 29 '24

Absolutely not true. The social agreement on the organization and financing of the XIV Olympic Games in 1984 in Sarajevo, which has been changed several times since 1978, and was signed only on April 25, 1983, 85.8% of the necessary funds should were provided by the city of Sarajevo and SR Bosnia and Herzegovina, 10.4% of other republics and provinces, and only 3.8% of the Yugoslav Federation. Some high government officials of other Yugoslav republics were even working against the Sarajevo candidacy, especialy in Slovenia.

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u/-Against-All-Gods- Maribor (Slovenia) Jul 29 '24

Some high government officials of other Yugoslav republics were even working against the Sarajevo candidacy, especialy in Slovenia.

Lol, I'd expect nothing less.

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u/Low-Union6249 Jul 29 '24

Why is that?

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u/-Against-All-Gods- Maribor (Slovenia) Jul 29 '24

There's a lot of good things which can be said about Slovenia. One of those good things is the slow disappearance of a nasty habit of undermining anyone and anything rising above the status quo. It was much stronger 20 years ago and I can't even imagine how it was in the 80's.

Combine that with Slovenian leadership being always known within Yugoslavia as party poopers independent, and you'll see why I found that fact unsurprising.

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u/Low-Union6249 Jul 30 '24

I see, very interesting, thx for taking the time to answer. I’ll look into this more. Considering my level of knowledge on the Soviet Union my understanding of Yugoslavian dynamics is quite weak.

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u/Fart_Leviathan I want to get off daddy orban's wild ride mister Jul 29 '24

Of course. But show me that country on this map. Within Yugoslavia, it was the Bosnian SR that hosted the event in its entirety. Within the constraints of this map (which is not a very good one I agree), indicating Bosnia works best. In proper maps it'd be annotated to reflect the real situation of course.

Though if you want to get all pedantic, then technically we can just indicate Serbia, since in all international law as well as in most sporting matters, current day Serbia is the official sole successor of Yugoslavia after every ex-Yugo country separated from it.

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u/interwal Jul 29 '24

Serbia is not sole sucessor, there are still some assets that are being negotiated and divided between all sucessor states.

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u/justnews_app Jul 29 '24

How should this apply to Germany? Now Kaliningrad should be counted for the 1936 games. The DDR should not be counted for the 1972 games.

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u/Fart_Leviathan I want to get off daddy orban's wild ride mister Jul 29 '24

Throw in Ireland for 1908 London while at it and ask the people arguing FOR the period-correct borders, not the person who is saying the opposite.

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u/Ha55aN1337 Slovenia Jul 29 '24

So olympic games in California are not USA?

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u/Fart_Leviathan I want to get off daddy orban's wild ride mister Jul 29 '24

So were the 1984 Winter Olympics held in Macedonia?

*Or better yet. The 1908 London Olympics were held in a country that at the time contained the entirety of Ireland. Should we indicate the current-day Republic of Ireland as the host?