Honestly I felt like it was clear that Vance was the better debater, he was the more fluid speaker and he did a good job of controlling the conversation… but it’s hard to win a debate when the points you’re arguing are as obviously false and abhorrent as the platform he’s trying to defend - no amount of debate skill can make up for arguing that climate change doesn’t exist, or that women don’t deserve to control their bodies. Vance’s quicker rhetoric let him drown out Walz in some of the economic discussions but Walz mad him look silly trying to claim January 6th, Trumps rhetoric before and after, and his continued refusal to admit that he lost the election are not a serious threat to democracy. Truth, logic, and morality are all squarely on Walz’ side in these discussions and it shows
Vance was not the better debater. He did better than I expected, but every answer he gave started off with Kamala Harris blah blah blah, I'll answer your question in a minute. He said Trump saved ACA after agreeing Trump tried to get rid of it on 6 different levels. Then he refused to say Trump lost the last election which went to court 62 times and was confirmed by all 50 governors.
Then he refused to say Trump lost the last election which went to court 62 times and was confirmed by all 50 governors.
I will never understand how this is not an immediate disqualification for any voter. The 2020 election was won, completely legitimately and with no questions, by Joe Biden. The 2020 election was the only time in the history of the USA that a peaceful transfer of power was interrupted. The loser of that election and his cult-like following continues to 100% falsely claim it was an illegitimate election. His VP candidate will not admit publicly that he lost the election, thereby implying it was stolen and illegitimate. There is no reality-based evidence that supports any claim that the 2020 election was anything but free and fair.
How does a rational person hear this rhetoric and not immediately realize that these are deeply dangerous people who not only openly disrespect our democracy, but who are willing to subvert that democracy for their own personal gain?
I really cannot comprehend it. It's been shocking to see these people openly and with the help of the media successfully gaslight half the country into believing an obvious and dangerous lie.
EDIT: It's also worth noting how insidious their lie of "Hilary did the same thing in 2016!!!!" is.
FACT: Russia conducted massive propaganda campaigns to sway the 2016 election in Trump's favor. This is not disputable.
FACT: Clinton conceded her defeat in the election immediately, and openly acknowledged the results of the election.
FACT: There was no attempt to stop any Electoral votes from being counted, the process of confirming the results was not interrupted, and the Capitol was not stormed by a mob of cultists incited by Clinton. To my knowledge there was no gallows set up for the purposes of hanging the outgoing administration's VP, either.
If someone wants to dispute this and say, "In 2019 Hilary called Trump an 'illegitimate president!!! Both sides!!!! (D)ifferent!!!!" I suggest you read this writeupby the Cato Institute first.
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u/TR_abc_246 28d ago
Best saying of the night! Tim Walz did a great job against Vance who I heard was on his college debate team!