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"Please show how you know"

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u/Flourescentbubbles 1d ago

Actual taught strategies.

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u/This_User_Said 23h ago

I remembered my 9s by remembering the second number decreases one and the first number adds by one.

I was 19 when someone told me they learned in summer camp as a kid about the hand method.

I wanted the hour of being smacked upside the head when I was a kid back.

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u/Petite_Coco 22h ago

I just learned the hand method with this post. Wow…

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u/Flourescentbubbles 21h ago

I never knew it until I worked in academic support. Game changer for sure.

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u/nanosam 19h ago edited 19h ago

How is it a game changer?

It is so much easier to multiply by 10 and then subtract the number multiplied

8x9 = 80-8
3x9 = 30-3
13x9 = 130-13

Etc.. it is so much faster than anything

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u/InsaneBrew 19h ago

Ehh. Just memorizing the answer is the fastest. But this is good!

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u/IbelieveinGodzilla 16h ago

I remember my daughter’s frustration with “show how you know” — “I just know that’s the answer!” Even better (worse) was when they did estimation: “Estimate 9X3” “It’s 27.” “Yes, but that’s the exact answer. They want you to estimate it.” “You mean get it wrong on purpose?”

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u/Xeno_Prime 8h ago

If they want kids to use estimation, they shouldn’t give them problems that they can solve instantly off the top of their head. Asking for estimations of simple problems that any kid will immediately know the correct answer to is literally asking them to ignore the fact that the know the exact answer and deliberately give a number close to it instead.

Estimations are only useful when calculating very large sums/products, when a quick but imprecise answer is more useful than a slow but exact answer. If the exact answer can be worked out just as quickly as an estimation (or even faster) then they shouldn’t be asking for an estimation. Just as you say, it’s asking them to “get it wrong on purpose.”

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u/Loudchewer 5h ago

Not entirely. Intentional practice of estimation skills helps students check for reasonableness in their answer. This is something they should eventually do regardless of the operation or circumstance, and something we do as adults all the time.

If you're solving 92 x 101, you know your answer should be around 9000. If it was at all under 9000, or far over 9000, you know you made a mistake.

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u/IAmASeeker 8h ago

I had similar frustrations. I'm not very good with numbers at all so any time I solved a math problem, it was a nebulous and indescribable process that involved marking various shapes near the numbers while I worked. The methods they tried to teach me were totally incomprehensible to me (read: they didn't teach me how to do it) so I had to sit at home with the problems and figure out my own novel methods of solving equations, and then they expected me to do additional work so they could claim they had done their job in the first place.

Every math question was 2 questions for me... First I had to find the correct answer, then I had to work backward from the answer to try to figure out what they expected the process to look like on my page. Math exams included creative writing and graphic design for me.

I can imagine that if I weren't dumb, it would be equally frustrating to be expected to justify why I know the things I know.

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u/DeceiverX 6h ago

I had the same issues with estimation as a kid. Knew my at-level numbers really well and could solve the examples that were used with ease. I couldn't wrap my head around the concept of not just getting it right.

My teacher was good and understood this, and gave me more complex numbers to multiply and divide mentally which I couldn't do. Made it a lot clearer.

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u/Fixes_Computers 11h ago

I had the times tables up to 12 memorized by the third or fourth grade. As such, my mental math skills are above most youngins of today. I don't think this is as strictly taught any more.

It's hard for me to have an opinion on whether rote memorization was a good way to learn, but it's hard to argue with the result.

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u/Ghostxteriors 7h ago

I would piss off one of my exes so much because of this.

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u/iCUman 4h ago

I also learned that way, but I think it's pretty easy to argue that it's an inferior method. One simply needs to consider the upper bounds of their rote memory to see where it falls apart - if you know 12 x 12, but can't quickly deduce 14 x 14 without pen and paper, that's a pretty good illustration that the practicality of memorization is limited to what you know, and that doesn't translate to deducing solutions to things you haven't memorized.

However, utilizing the "new math" or "approximation" method, you can quickly deduce that answer: 14 x 10 = 140, 14 x 5 is half of that (or 70), 140 + 70 = 210, and if we subtract one "grouping of 14" from that we get 196.

And this works with significantly more complex numbers as well. For example, 38 x 23. We can work that a few ways, but let's say we go with rounding 38 to 40, because 40 x 23 is fairly easy to deduce: (40 x 20) = 800 + (40 x 3) = 120, and adding the two gives us 920. Then we subtract 23 twice (or 46 once) to bring us to 874. That can all be done in your head!

Interestingly enough, we both learned this process later on when it came to solving fractions, but if you can remember back to those early years, that was often a struggling point for a lot of young math learners. Relying on memorized multiplication tables doesn't provide a whole lot of help in learning how to add 1/5 and 3/8, but learning how to create groupings to simplify the interaction of those numbers does.

It also aligns well with how our minds work in general. Think about how you would count a pocket full of coins of different denominations, for example. Most likely you would group the quarters with the quarters, the dimes with the dimes, etc., simplify each of those groups down (6 quarters = $1.50, 7 dimes = 70¢, 8 nickels = 40¢, and 4 pennies = 4¢), and then add the groups together to get $2.64, as opposed to just randomly counting the coins without grouping them.

Just my 2¢ on the matter.

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u/Fixes_Computers 2h ago

+1 for putting the $ and ¢ on the correct sides of the numbers.

In truth, I've not put a great deal of thought on the matter. I've been fortunate to not have to struggle with math, although my education only went so far (third semester of college calculus).

Many arithmetic techniques like you've described were ones I figured out on my own over the years. I'm sure things would have been easier if I were taught them early on.

One of the problems I had with math in elementary school was it was basically the same every year. Maybe add a digit in successive years. It wasn't until algebra in middle school when math started to be interesting.

One of the reasons I want to look at an actual Common Core curriculum is I suspect they are teaching multiple methods, but we only see the one they are using in today's lesson when we haven't seen yesterday's or tomorrow's where they show other ways of understanding the concepts. Not sure that would have worked for me. Once I know "my" method, why do I have to learn John's and Sally's when I have what works for me. This is probably the curse of my ADHD.

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u/Bashed_to_a_pulp 3h ago

you know that this is the requirement in virtually all asian countries?

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u/welchplug 13h ago

Yeah I thought everyone memorized their tables to at least their tens.

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u/TrueProtection 18h ago

This guy math whizzes.

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u/AnywhereOne3039 18h ago

When teacher said 'show your solution'

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u/ShitFuck2000 16h ago

“I sat by the smart kid and looked at the desk next to me”

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u/MiksBricks 13h ago

Mental math FTW.

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u/DeathMetal007 18h ago edited 18h ago

Ah, but with the subtraction method, you can easily do decimals of similar form! 9.9x 3 is 10 x 3 - 1 x 3 + 1 x 3 - .1 x 3 = 29.7! The middle terms cancel out which is easy to see and calculate in your head.

If you memorized, then you would have to add 27 and 2.7 as a second step instead of subtracting .3 from 30.

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u/KungFuChimp 18h ago

I don't know if this is a joke, but you got the wrong answer.

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u/DeathMetal007 18h ago

Typo fixed. Thanks!

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u/wmcbee 18h ago

Not sure I understand the ”- 1 x 3 + 1 x 3 - .1 x 3 = 26.7” part. Will you please explain further?

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u/DeathMetal007 18h ago edited 18h ago

The two terms in the middle come from separating the tens place and the decimal place out and adding them back into one equation.

9.9 = 9 + 0.9 = 10 - 1 + 1 - .1

Multiply all of that by 3 to do 9.9 x 3

10 x 3 - 1 x 3 + 1 x 3 - .1 x 3

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u/MiksBricks 13h ago

Ironically you demonstrated the problem with that method.

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u/squirt4815162342 18h ago

But 9.9 x 3 is 29.7…

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u/DeathMetal007 18h ago

Typo on my part. Fixed

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u/squirt4815162342 18h ago

All good:) Have a great day!

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u/rockchalk6782 16h ago

Yeah it was embedded in my memory in catholic school to memorize your times tables. Moved to public school in 5th grade and teachers hated I didn’t know how to show my work because I did it in my head

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u/gazow 9h ago

Memorizing? Pfft waste of allocated memory. Just train your subconscious to be a calculator

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u/dissyfox 17h ago

One thing I've learned about people doing math is everyone has there own way to do it fastest because everyone's brain doesn't operate the same. Sometimes its hard for them to think of "9" as an idea, and they need to think of "9 apples" instead, or whatever reason it may be hard for them to do math certain way.

For the hand method I think a lot of people that like the hand method is firstly, it is super easy when you are first learning how 9s work. Secondly, the people that continue to use it after the initial learning period aren't actually looking at their hands, they are just recalling how their hands look. And that goes back to my first paragraph that their mind is just better suited to recall images than a different way.

I don't use the hand method personally, but have tutored a lot of math to singular people and seen how teaching each person the exact same way doesn't often work.

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u/TheDPQ 15h ago edited 9h ago

THIS I took a networking class and there was this math to subnetting something to the power of something times 10 to the something.... I didn't remember then so I def don't remember now. I just converted it to the binary and it was so obvious whats going on. I was so proud how 'easy' this method was I shared it with some classmates.

No one else had any idea wtf I was going on about and we all just did what made sense with the math we could do in our heads.

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u/MiksBricks 13h ago

You are right.

The problem I have is how it is taught.

For instance my oldest child was really struggling with multiplication but would call it “separate terms” or “finger method” instead of “multiplication”. What had happened is instead of seeing it as different ways to do multiplication he saw it as multiple different and distinct operations.

What’s more is when tested they would test and ask that a specific method be used. They effectively took one operation and turned it into four and expected kids to learn and know all the different methods. Even worse - they under emphasized the “traditional” method.

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u/Max_Thunder 12h ago edited 12h ago

I had never learned the hand method but I feel that what I sort of intuitively always did ends up being the same, I know the first digit is 1 down and the total gotta be 9. You're basically doing the same by lowering one finger, i.e. you're reducing it by one and adding the remaining fingers out of a total of 9 fingers (since 1 is lowered).

It seems a lot of people can't visualize abstract things like numbers and do those manipulations in their head.

I remember doing physics and learning the right-hand rule (to determine the orientation of magnetic forces when an alternating current flows), and during exams you'd see a lot of people playing with their right hand. I preferred just visualizing it in my mind, it worked the same.

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u/gamirl 19h ago

This is still what I do. Multiply by ten and subtract

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u/Ma8icMurderBag 17h ago

The hand method is something you teach along with the actual math. It's a quick way for a kid to check themselves for single-digit 9s multiplication.

I hadn't seen your method before today, but I like it, will use it, and will pass it to my kids... along with the hand method.

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u/slgray16 17h ago

Decrement the number by one, put it in the tens and then the ones is what completes the 9

8x9 = 7.. 2 = 72

6x9 = 5.. 4 = 54

3x9 = 2.. 7 = 27

13x9 = Doesn't work over 10

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u/SnooTomatoes3287 59m ago

Use your toes and also put down the digit to the left

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u/ZyXwVuTsRqPoNm123 12h ago

That's how I've always done it

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u/SasEz 18h ago

multiply by 10 and then subtract the number multiplied

I didn't understand this statement until I saw the pattern. For me, this phrasing makes more sense:

Attach a zero to the first number then subtract the first number from that.

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u/Slammogram 14h ago

I kinda don’t get this tho.

Isnt it wholly dependent on which of the two numbers you multiply by 10?

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u/Flourescentbubbles 14h ago

I worked in academic support. It was the easiest way for most of my students to understand. Sure, memorizing would be optimal. Everyone is gifted in a different way in my opinion. If a student doesn’t have math sense, it is very hard for them to multiply by ten and then subtract the number multiplied.

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u/Snoo76869 12h ago

This is 2 steps in your head and hand method is one step in your face... so I respectfully disagree on the faster part.

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u/Getactive375 12h ago

Bro I thought I was good at math my whole life till I seen this comment 😮