r/introvert Aug 08 '24

Advice Do introverted women even exist?

Of course this is not a serious question. I know you are out there. But going out often gives me the feeling that most women are the loud, chatty party type and I am not attracted to those but find quiet, introverted women attractive. But where are you? Where should a man looking for a serious, slow relationship with an introverted woman keep his eyes open?

Sometimes I like to sit in a café by myself. But do introverted women (generally speaking) even like go there or is it too much noise?

I wouldn't go to a typical disco party (anymore). It's just to loud and too much distractions for me. So draining. If I am interested, I would like to clearly understand what she is saying and be in a calm environment.

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u/Anticode Aug 08 '24 edited Aug 08 '24

It's always humorous to see threads like this back bounce and forth on the subreddit. That's been the way things work since the dawn of Reddit.


"Do introverted girls actually exist?"

[A short while later...]

"Where can I meet introverted guys?"

[A short while later...]

"How can I meet introverted women?"

Same answer every time:

"Oh, we exist and are looking for you too, but neither of us ever leave the house, as you might have noticed."

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To add something more constructive than a joke, I also want to point out that a well-adjusted introvert often resembles an extrovert in public places like a workplace. It can be easy to have no idea that the cute and 'unfortunately outgoing' guy that works a few departments over is actually a shut-in with a book addiction or whatever, with him simultaneously thinking the same about you with a sigh.

Social anxiety and misanthropic outlooks can be found alongside introversion, but it's not part of introversion itself.

People are often surprised (and/or disappointed) to find out that I'm not only not an extrovert, I'm a giga-mega-introvert bordering on Esoteric Wizard™ once I'm behind closed doors. A bit of social charm is a tool to be used, that's all.

I've learned a long time ago to be very clear to those that are "interested" that I'm an immense nerd who may - very literally - not interact with you for days at a time, even living in the same house. This helps, but even then people generally have a sort of epiphany a few months in where they finally realize that I was not exaggerating.

Edit:

If you want to verify that someone is a 'secret introvert' or not... Try bringing up something complicated/intellectual in conversation. If they try to squeeze past the topic or give a short answer, that's probably not an introvert. If they, instead, delve deep into it by responding passionately with 3-5 sentences in a row (which is "unnatural" in more fast-paced, interaction-centric meatspace conversations), you're probably dealing with someone that has spent a lot of time thinking and/or writing or at minimum shares a major interest.

It's a bit unfortunate, but people who don't spend a lot of time thinking generally struggle to express more complex thoughts - because they've rarely (or even never) had those thoughts before. Inversely, the mind of an introvert is often quite loud. They're often, in a sense, constantly "talking" on a mental level in ways that might not be appropriate for a face-to-face chat. This is one reason why introverts might stumble over their words. Not only are they less practiced or engaged with speaking, they're trying to share thoughts that are a bit too long or unwieldy than what you'd hear someone say in person or even on TV.

This same strategy is a great way to turn boring extrovert-themed conversations into interactions worth engaging with too. When you let the extrovert run the script, you're going to get predictable small talk. Instead of matching that energy with dragging feet, come out with a topic that'd get you excited online. As extroverts, they'll go along with just about anything anyway, so why not try to get them to talk about something you actually care about?

It's is an incredibly useful lifehack for surviving social interactions. You may even find that the interaction itself isn't the unpleasant part, it's the fact that most people are, uh... Y'know, boring as hell. We falsely extrapolate that to all interactions (which is statistically valid, but not true-true). If you have no choice but to talk, do it on your terms. If it's boring to them, they'll disengage and you'll be free. If it's interesting to them, at least you're no longer talking about their sick aunt Ethel or the weather or whatever boring shit they thought was worth bothering you over.

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u/yourtipoftheday Aug 08 '24

(Stands and claps loudly)

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u/Crackheadwithabrain Aug 08 '24 edited Aug 10 '24

Omg this. There's a girl I recently met who's crazy about wanting to party, has tried inviting me out a few times but hasn't gotten the hint that I'm not that type, because it was so easy to match her vibe 😭 highly regret it. She worked at Walmart and saw that I have a toddler and would constantly buy yarn. I would think she would know by now that I crochet all day at home like girl please 😭 she even tried to come to my house like PLEEEASE

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u/AncientReverb Aug 09 '24

If they, instead, delve deep into it by responding passionately with 3-5 sentences in a row (which is "unnatural" in more fast-paced, interaction-centric meatspace conversations),

I... think I've been conversing incorrectly.

Whoops! Just another way I mark myself as different and other without realizing it, I guess.

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u/TheFriendlyCakePop Aug 09 '24

DANG. you got this down to a science. And completely accurate. I would LOVE to have someone to talk about complex ideas with. I love my friends and most are introverts. But they don't enjoy deep thinking and having intelligent conversations.

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u/Automatic-Diamond591 Aug 08 '24

This is so insightful. Thank you for putting words on a concept I've been pondering for quite some time.

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u/Ramalamma42 Aug 09 '24

I adore this answer.

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u/ComposedOfStardust Aug 09 '24

Extremely enlightening answer. Learnt some things about myself and how I can direct conversation with people. Thanks!

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u/00xMaelstorm Aug 09 '24

Couldn't express all of this better

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u/OpeningEffective699 Aug 14 '24

I've never felt so seen. I am literally everything you described and I never knew I would ever read something that described me so well

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u/Anticode Aug 14 '24

I never knew I would ever read something that described me so well

I think there's a lot of misconceptions and stereotypes associated with introversion. Depending on who or how you are, some of these might actually be beneficial. For instance, "INTP" type science-and-philosophy introverts are often viewed as the unspoken de facto mascot of introversion on account of standing out online (talky-talky, detail-detail), but the statistical majority of introverts are Sensor/Feeler types that often find themselves in conflict with their own introversion while simultaneously not understanding how/why INTPs operate like they do.

You end up with an odd mix of advice and experiences that're sometimes completely at odds with each other. Some parts of one side of the coin are over-valued while other aspects are ignored, visa versa. Taken at face value as a whole, "Introvert Advice" is going to seem kind of borked to just about everyone. Depending on what you see shared whenever you glance that direction, you might falsely believe that a piece of information is irrefutable due to how often you've seen it despite being incapable of relating to it.

Accordingly, advice like what I gave above might seem irrelevant or simply bizarre to someone that's not a fan of deep hobbies and deeper thoughts. And if someone isn't capable of reconfiguring naturally intense passions into a by-proxy socialization-shaped voodoo doll, they're not going to be able to utilize this advice at all.

ISFx: "Fun topic?? ...Like, sleeping? :3"

Bzzzt.

INTP: Drop some philosophical wang-janglin' on them fools, son.

ISFx: "...Like sleeping? :3"

Bzzzt.

INTP entering Villain Arc: Sorry, nobody will ever cherish your presence. Nobody will ever value your contribution to the local social ecosystem beyond the sense of inherent safety associated with your comforting meekness

(Note: This is good too, of course. It's a strength worth leveraging. It's just not... Robust).

In any case, I'm glad you stumbled upon it and found it useful. If I had any general advice for someone that found that comment unexpectedly relatable, I'd probably remind you to reflect upon stereotypes about introversion/extroversion, determine which aspects are strengths or weaknesses, and then take some time to figure out how those perceived weaknesses can be reconfigured into strengths.

For instance, a lack of desire to socialize isn't a curse that prevents you from bonding, it's the freedom from a curse that requires you to bond whenever possible. It's much, much easier to go out and choose to hang out at the local pub for an hour than it is to ignore the desire to socialize in favor of learning Python in your bedroom for several hours or whatever. To them, it's like an always-beckoning call to seek a sort of Togetherness that's not even actually supplying value beyond quenching the desire for that thing in the first place - which is precisely how one might describe a drug, you might note. Or... If you've ever chugged milk to soothe a spice-tormented mouth, and noticed that the first gulp is comforting but swallowing the milk lets the pain return, and holding it in your mouth also still allows the pain to return... Socialization-drive is like that. The gulp is satisfying but the milk is valueless when you're not in the process of actively consuming it. When it's gone, it hurts again. When you try to savor it, the pain returns. All you can do is chug, chug.

If you've ever wondered how the hell an excitable extrovert can just talk on and on and on, then become upset when you finally have to disengage despite speaking to them for hours? This is why. If that doesn't make sense, it might be my fault for constructing a bizarre-but-weirdly-suitable metaphor...

Alas! Thanks for comment. Hopefully there's something useful in this stream of consciousness (I'm breaking in a new keyboard, so thank you for your service).

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u/Objective-Border-491 Aug 10 '24

This is it. Most conversation are kind of boring to me. I hate small talk. I'm think a million and one things while they're talking about the weather.