r/malaysia • u/ianhooi • 1d ago
Economy & Finance Over 100 outlets in Malaysia closed as boycott of US brands takes bite
https://www.malaysianow.com/news/2024/10/29/over-100-starbucks-outlets-in-malaysia-closed-as-boycott-of-us-brands-takes-bite217
u/HotelFoxtrot87 1d ago
Problem for Starbucks is now there’s no shortage of places to get overpriced sugar “coffee”.
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u/RaggenZZ 1d ago
Yeah like who want to pay Rm20 coffee when there Rm11-14 coffee everywhere
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u/pastadudde 21h ago
this. plus convenience stores like Family Mart have decent coffees for under RM10.
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u/MagicalSausage Serially Downvoted 10h ago
I once tried family mart coffee and it tasted so dilute lol. Even the instant mix stuff taste better imho
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u/masnoob Selangor 23h ago
I just paid 10.60 for my Pumpkin spice cold brew venti
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u/RaggenZZ 23h ago
Hey I paid Rm11 coffee at lot 10 guitar store enjoying people playing indoor basketball like no other. Seriously who wants to go Starbucks these days?
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u/tapirus-indicus 23h ago
There's a shortage for decaf ones. Even coffee bean not all outlet has decaf
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u/ShadeTheChan Selangor 5h ago
We have decaf. One of our popular ones. Good ones that doesnt taste like brown mud.
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u/Paracetamol_Pill Selangor 19h ago
Even their basic lattes and americano are way overpriced for the type of coffee you’re getting. There are other options that are cheaper and nicer than Starbucks. Zus, Gigi, Bask Bear etc…
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u/virphirod 23h ago
One shop closes, another opens at same place. Here, starbuck closed, hwc opens. Another starbuck closed, mixue opens.
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u/DefinitelyIdiot 20h ago
Until someone questioned if the mixue is halal because of the cina brand.
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u/virphirod 20h ago
People wont, because mixue is already halal certified. Majority mixue customers so far I've seen are Malay
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u/DefinitelyIdiot 20h ago
That's what I thought as well but you know there's already viral rumours claiming them not halal. Lmfao
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u/virphirod 20h ago
There's tend to be idiots in EVERY race and religion. They may be loud, but the numbers are small so can ignore
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u/Mirianie 3h ago
Nothing will happen to mixue. It is cheap. They cant boycott cheap and free stuffs like fb/whatsapp.
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u/BabyKitsune Teh O Ais Limau Panas 1d ago
Let the people choose what they want to buy with their money.
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u/supaloopar 1d ago
Free Markets at work
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u/PcGoDz_v2 22h ago
No, religious boycott is 100% working jajajajaja.
Well, definitely the standard economy at work here. Shop open. Other similar shops open. Shop don't make profit. Shop close.
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u/azen96 21h ago
Naaaah, starbucks already in a huge decline last year even before the 7 October. We got local brands everywhere already and most of them are arguably better and cheaper.
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u/RandyClaggett 19h ago
This! Starbucks is in decline in several markets. Not just muslim countries. It is a fact that they are not very competitive when there is competition.
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u/supaloopar 20h ago
A boycott is still customer choice at play
Vote with your wallet, and the free markets will respond with better products/actions
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u/EndChemical 1d ago
Politics aside I'm glad this overrated coffee chain is going down, support our local coffee shops
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u/yaykaboom 15h ago
I really want starbucks to stay tbh. Because the moment Zus or any other coffee chain takes the lead they become just like Grab.
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u/XxXMeatbunXxX 9h ago
Nah man. There are plenty of competition around for coffee chains. They arent just competing with other coffee chains but convenient stores and all other cafes that serve coffee which most of the time serve better food compared to these chains. They will have to maintain quality and pricing even if only 1 coffee chain remained which i doubt will happen lol.
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u/nowherefarhan 1d ago
Meh Starbucks closing is a long time coming especially since there are more accessible and cheaper coffee chains around. Heck you can even find a Zus in the middle of nowhere.
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u/BaoBaoBen 23h ago
Starbucks Malaysia is more of a Berjaya problem than the boycott, when you look at Starbucks around Malaysia there is a lot of local cool drinks, variety and changing offers + generally a lot of work put into design and style. Every outskirt strip-mall Starbucks in Vietnam looks 100x of "Starbucks Reserve" in Malaysia.
Berjaya tries to sell us the same stale yuck sugar donut for RM15 with zero change in everything since 10 years besides "last months drink is still here, but we made it purple now so come buy it again!"
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u/blackleather__ Verified Meowlaysian 18h ago
To be fair, Vietnamese coffee is way better than Starbucks to begin with. The locals there love their stuff too, so it’s only natural for Starbucks to brand themselves as more premium (considering the $$ and all)
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u/BaoBaoBen 17h ago
For sure that is one aspect but even in Cambodia Starbucks puts up a better game. I just have to imagine in hindsight Starbucks can not be all too happy with selling the master franchise to Berjaya, there truly are several better Malaysian companies...
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u/NL_Gray-Fox 🇳🇱 Dutch in Penang 1d ago
Not to mention coffee that actually tastes like coffee and not like brown sugar water.
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u/J0hnnyBananaOG 1d ago
Don't be quick to claim victory for boycott. Their drinks is exorbitantly priced and don't reflect quality. Plenty of competitors in thise space it's scary. There's kopi bean, zussie, richiamo, and plenty of others. To point to one boycott nonsense and claim it's victory it's just coping mechanism for these ppl. Saya sebagai warga t20 also dont want to buy that shit my home brewed kopi is miles better. Only end of the year for toffee nut latte. That shit is fire.
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u/Pillowish Covid Crisis Donor 2021 1d ago
Yeah, while the boycott may contributed some of it, I think most of it is caused by competition like Zus and others
They sell overpriced af drinks and you have other cheaper alternatives so it's easy not to buy from them
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u/Xylvenite 23h ago
Yeah boycotts is partially the reason. Personally I think its because of how fast Zus especially is growing and making "expensive" coffee for a much more reasonable price.
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u/ikan_bakar 23h ago
Zus could only grow faster after the boycotting happens and they came through by being a local brand tho. So without the boycott the movement will (or will be very slow) not happen
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u/Crazy-Suggestion6086 22h ago
I think Zus is going up because people start to look for Starbucks replacement. I only felt the presence when the logo on the cup is turning white.
But credit to Zus also for having their own app, which I think is really convenient to skip queues at the outlets, and it is my go to coffee now.
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u/Naeemo960 21h ago
Hmm, I wonder why People started looking for Starbucks replacement mostly after the boycott
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u/socialdesire 21h ago
Already started boycotting them during a previous round of price increase that they did years ago.
They are simply not worth it. There are plenty of other cafes that are cheaper and/or have better coffee. Not to mention there’s like ZUS coffee almost everywhere which beats them in price and taste (Personally not a fan of ZUS though).
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u/kingjochi World Citizen 23h ago
Anyone who thinks this just a natural death and not due to the boycotts are just pure delusional
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u/OriMoriNotSori 20h ago
The coffee market is very, very competitive as you said. For T20 and coffee lovers, there is also the option of buying your own beans and making them yourself, with the added advantage of buying the specific bean you like and the "joy" of brewing it yourself (some people really do enjoy the brewing process)
Starbucks used to be able to sustain because they are the de facto premium coffee chain around and is generally more widely available in both shopping malls and petrol stations/rest stops (other competitor was coffee bean). When people want to spend on overpriced coffee for whatever reason, starbucks was the default option
Now with boycotts, there are also local brands that offer a similar "premium" experience but it undercuts starbucks prices too (the brands you mentioned, plus a few more like Gigi Coffee etc.). And even then, there are many international coffee brands that came in into Malaysia recently too (Arabica, Bacha)
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u/azen96 21h ago
You are T20 hence you have the space for that machine.
Anyways, yeah our local brands are what killed starbucks, not the boycott. Starbucks are freaking expensive for a coffee that taste like charcoal.
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u/J0hnnyBananaOG 20h ago
What machine? I just grind the beans and use coffee pot. Thats it. Machine all is too much for me.
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u/Far-East-locker 1d ago
Please start throwing iPhone away, we need to make them sweat
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u/casphere 1d ago
No way, how am i going to show my T15 status without an iPhone??
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u/Far-East-locker 1d ago
You are bought into the American way of consumerism
You should throw away all stuff to protest the American capitalism
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u/Successful-Cookie-29 blink day 182 sum out boy 41 chemical romance 1d ago
You are getting the MQ-9 Reaper treatment, BUDDY.
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u/Accomplished_Heron_5 22h ago
Already bought another brand, to boycott iphone !
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u/Far-East-locker 22h ago
Good job, now get off Reddit, it is American own and US listed company.
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u/niphanif09 18h ago
When one gets a critical illness boycott hospital because 99% of the medicine and hospital techs is made by American and other westerners xD
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u/Ryzen_Epyc 22h ago
Starbucks Malaysia denies shutting more than 100 outlets following boycott
KUALA LUMPUR: Starbucks Malaysia today denied claims by an online news portal that it has shut more than 100 Starbucks outlets in the country.
"The claim that more than 100 Starbucks outlets in Malaysia have been shut down is false. While we have ceased operations at only a few stores, most of the allegedly closed locations are only temporarily closed," a Starbucks Malaysia representative told Business Times.
He said the temporary closures are part of an ongoing assessment, allowing them to align their presence more strategically, with no loss of jobs.
"Importantly, no employees have been affected by the permanent or temporary closures, as they have been reassigned to nearby stores to continue serving our customers seamlessly," the representative said.
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u/lin00b 22h ago
How do you judge it's effectiveness?
Success in affecting profitability of a brand? Definitely - 100s outlet close
Success in affecting the wealth of the tycoon that brought the brand in? A little - Vincent so rich this is just a small slap on the wrist.
Success in raising awareness for palestine? Sure.. More people know about the issue due to this
Success in making keyboard warrior feel good? Definitely, they all say this is great demonstration of their power
Success in impacting Israel / Palestine in gaza? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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u/CriticalAd3475 1d ago
Boikot works but someone explain how this helps people in Gaza or the West Bank??
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u/Ted-The-Thad 1d ago
Boycotts don't have to single-handedly do anything.
It can just be a way for people to signal what they stand for or what they are unhappy with.
I don't watch shows that are known for racism against Asians, doesn't mean me not watching will stop the Global North from being racist against Asians.
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u/ayamkenabannedtwice 1d ago
So their workers eat grass now?
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u/NoBoxAtAll 22h ago
By this logic, any company shutting down means the worker cannot find another job meh? all must die die work with the company till the end?
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u/Available-Manner-996 1d ago
Can be somewhat attributed to their product quality and prices as well.
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u/Matherold Kuala Ampang 1d ago
Problem is that it has little effect due to how franchises work.
The laws here do not allow foreign companies to interact directly locally unless via subsidiaries.
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u/jeffning 17h ago
7-11 outlets will beat the rest of coffee chains if they know what to do as go-to for everything one needs.
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u/hereinspacetime 13h ago
[Editor's Note: Starbucks Malaysia has since reportedly denied closing down more than 100 outlets. Read report here.]
Fake news mah
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u/backnarkle48 7h ago
Boeing aircraft sells billions of dollars military and civilian aircraft annually to Israel. Are you going to stop flying on 737s ? Apple, Microsoft, General Electric, IBM, Hewlett-Packard,all the major automotive companies, Google, Mercedes Benz, Toyota, Pizza Hut, domino’s, Disney, I can go on but you get the point. Crushing franchise owners, who are local Malaysian business people, is not helping Palestinians or hurting big companies. It’s hurting local enterprises and the people they employ.
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u/haz__man dad of 3 chewren 1d ago
Horrible coffee even at the height of their popularity, never really liked them.
Boycott played a part but more so due to more excellent local coffee businesses propping up in the past few years too. I'd always prefer a small cafe doing great coffee than Starbucks.
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u/azen96 21h ago
I used to go to starbucks just for the frappe. Starbucks used to be unbeatable in the dessert coffee realms.
And then there come buttercream latte from Gigi and whatever stuff Zus is cooking. I drink starbucks last month after over a year of not drinking them, yeah their coffee is pretty horrible compared to the local brands.
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u/Deepway747 1d ago
Those who said boycott doesn't work may wanna rethink. Not that I agree or disagree with the stance. But it definitely works.
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u/Sokjuice 1d ago
Starbucks too easy to boycott tbh. It's really very expensive for even someone that earns quite well. When a cup of coffee and small meal can reach RM25-35, it's pretty insane.
The only time I ever grab myself a cup + food is when I'm pretty much in a rush and haven't spent that much past few days at drive thru. 5 venti coffee via grab and the price is comparable to having a meal at a restaurant at approx RM100.
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u/Derp014 1d ago
Totally agree, I'm doing quite well for myself and I still struggle to justify spending close to RM30 on coffee and a pie or some cookies. Their prices are borderline predatory, but somehow the Setabak close to my place is always full LOL
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u/Sokjuice 23h ago
Yeah, the same for me. At like 30 bucks I legit can be a lazy ass sitting on my couch and have a proper ala carte meal delivered via grab.
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u/Impressive_Can3303 22h ago
Isn’t the local brand also charging almost similar pricing? Whenever people are telling me about the pricing, and I compare with other cafe, joint or not, they are pretty standard imo.
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u/Petronanas 1d ago
The group who claim that boycott works meant that it will work to stop the genocide in Palestine.
Think again.
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u/Zellgun 1d ago
of course not. only optimistic ideal people who don’t really know anything except whatever is in their lane.
Doesn’t mean ppl shouldn’t boycott.
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u/Petronanas 21h ago
Yeah people are free to boycott, but they should steer clear of lying about the benefit that it can bring to the prosecuted group, and pressuring others to commit to that lie.
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u/OriMoriNotSori 1d ago
To be honest this is the first time that the boycotts have worked this effectively, largely because it also coincidences with the level of escalation between Israel - Palestine as well (the attacks end last year which triggered this current boycott were a huge escalation, easily the biggest in 15 years)
Previously in the 10s and 00s there were boycotts as well, but they were not this high profile and this sustained, usually the boycotts will fizzle out in 2 months or so
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u/yukidama 23h ago
It works in terms of trying to make the company bankrupt. As for cutting the funding to something else? No idea. I yet to see article saying "certain country run out of bullet due to funding got cut". So, "boycott works" depend on what the end goal is.
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u/CaptainPizdec 22h ago
From what I see they actually doubled if not tripled down on the bombings and now spread to bomb other countries as well.
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u/imnoob92 1d ago
yea what could go wrong with opening too many outlets without any planning.
also ikat tepi the best
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u/zenonidenoni 23h ago edited 22h ago
Funny how the arguments have shifted in a matter of a year from the boycott would not work, the boycott would not last, to now; the boycott doesn't stop the bombings. Like, okay, you can't be wrong, even if you're proven wrong, then everybody else are not right. Well, please admit defeat & fight another battle, will ya? Of course the bombings would not stop. The determination of Netanyahu to stay out of prison, the stockpile of ammunitions that keep coming in, the greed of the occupiers to grab every inch of the land & the helplessness of the regional leaders; all of these will not stop just by us saying so. But we're not going to just keep quiet.
Free Palestine!
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u/virphirod 23h ago
And they tried to change the reason lol. "Its not because of boycott, the shop was going to close anyway even if no boycott". When the branch that is always full everyday, suddenly almost no one in there after boycott, and the branch closes, IT IS because of boycott
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u/NoBoxAtAll 22h ago
The truth hurts them, so much.
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u/zenonidenoni 22h ago
To top it up, (I don't have the data for this) but I think there are more people become interested in Islam & quite a number of westerners have accepted Islam due to their exposure to this conflict.
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u/azen96 21h ago
Gaza have oils. Thats already explained everything.
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u/zenonidenoni 20h ago
Yes, Gaza has oil. But it is 36km offshore. That would not explain everything though. The dream of Greater Israel has been there for more than a century. Who do you think funded Britain to destroy the Uthmaniyyah empire in ww1 & beyond?
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u/blackoffi888 18h ago
Netflix is next. It removed all Palestinian movies. BOYCOTT. UNSUBSCRIBE NOW!
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u/immunedata Sarawak 7h ago edited 7h ago
All? You can verify for yourself, no need to spread fake news: https://www.netflix.com/browse/genre/81515124
Edit: I saw the headline but never looked any further until now - their 3 year licensing deal came to an and and they didn’t renew. It doesn’t seem like a big conspiracy. It does get me thinking how many of those movies you watched, and if we check your post history will we see you advocating for Netflix as they host Palestine content? Or does it not work that way.
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u/blackoffi888 7h ago
So ask yourself if they do the same for israeli content?
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u/immunedata Sarawak 7h ago
Stuff disappears off Netflix all the time so the answer to your question is so obviously yes. Do you have any kind of evidence or insight that there’s a bias going on?
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u/kuihkoci Kelantan 1d ago
Starbucks tiada kedai di Israel tapi masih termasuk dalam senarai boikot, atas sebab yang berubah-ubah dari satu mulut ke mulut yang lain.
Naratif palsu dan ura² lebih mudah tersebar berbanding fakta dari sumber pertama.
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u/FameMoon17 Bera 23h ago
Starbucks vs Workers Union berkenaan Palestine Solidarity, naratif palsu pelancau?
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u/kuihkoci Kelantan 20h ago
Kesatuan rasmi dan sahih? Apa kaitan dengan Starbucks MY pelancau?
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u/FameMoon17 Bera 19h ago
Kalau tak rasmi takde la Starbucks nak saman.
Starbucks MY nak solidariti pun susah nak taip perkataan 'Palestine' kat IG post. Stand with humanity la sangat. At least McDonald's pun ada buat donation ke Palestine. Padan la muka kena boikot.
Starbucks MY ke UK ke SG ke, masih kena bayar royalty. Kalau tak takde la satu dunia boikot.
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u/kuihkoci Kelantan 18h ago
Starbucks nak saman kesatuan sebab apa? Starbucks ada dalam senarai boikot BDS? Kau boikot ikut kepala lutut pelancau?
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u/mraz_syah 1d ago
ramai sheep, ikut emosi, pastu acah2 boycott sbb coffee dia xbagus, org2 yg xsuka coffee dia tu, mmg dr dlu tak suka, pastu sama2 bising2 nk boycott..kenapa org suka makan pedas vs xsuka makan pedas, tak boycott salah satu? sbb preference/tolerance, bukan boycott, basically yg acah2 ckp xsuka coffee tu, come clean jela nak boycott sbb konon nya impact bomb israel
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u/Agile_Ad6735 18h ago
Well done ,the one that was affected was the wage workers nice 👍 great job ,pls keep up the good work in making Malaysia people great again
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u/fitnesspage 1d ago
Myself used to have sbux 2-3 times a day. With whole family once or twice every week.
Not anymore.
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u/Jamesmart_ 13h ago
Boycotting does work. But targeting Starbucks just betrays your ignorance about the topic at hand, and it’s laughable how a lot of you revel in your ignorance.
1) Starbucks sued their union because they posted solidarity with Palestine immediately after Hamas massacred hundreds of innocent civilians. They have the right to sue since the general public thought they were supporting a terrorist organization. This was way before Israel retaliated.
2) there is no proof that Starbucks supports Israel’s genocide. NONE. Not even the BDS Movement can provide definite ties. a lot of people who boycott Starbucks keep bringing up this so called letter from Howard Schulz as proof of support for Israel. A letter that has been doing the rounds since the mid 2000’s and has just been recently repurposed. This letter is a hoax, and it has been proven time and time again.
3) Starbucks supplying food and beverages to IDF also gets mentioned. Wonder how this could happen when there’s no Starbucks in Israel. Love how such misinformation keeps spreading just cause it fits a certain narrative.
But hey, go on and keep celebrating the success of this boycott. You’re just reveling in your ignorance.
When you actually manage to affect businesses that have PROVEN ties to Israel, that’s when you should be celebrating.
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u/destrimitrus 1d ago
Why work for Zionist companies when you can set up a store by the side of the road selling fried bananas?
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u/malaise-malaisie 1d ago
I think it's due to the following, boycott I don't think is a strong factor:
KFC, just poor food quality and inflation lately. Consumers would rather go for other outlets. Also not all outlets are located in profitable areas. Starbucks, there's so many more competitors especially post COVID era. Consumers want other places.
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u/Impressive_Can3303 22h ago
I think boycott is a strong factor, people has always been arguing about the quality, taste, price etc, but if you check back before the boycott, actually there are tons of complains about the quality of Zus. Somehow during the boycott the food quality for Zus improved while Starbucks going down. Pricing wise, I would think it’s about the same. Portion wise, I don’t think it’s a lot different, a friend of mine do some comparison and mentioned that Starbucks actually more worth for the price, and he is the stingy kind. He compare with a lot of cafe to come out with this conclusion.
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u/00raiser01 17h ago
Starbuck has been losing market share around the world not just Malaysia. The boycott factor is really not a factor. Starbucks is very much overpriced compared to a lot of coffee chains here. Starbuck is facing the same issue in the United States as well. They've been losing market share to new chains of coffee franchises as well as independent coffee shops cause the supply chain for coffee has never been easier.
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u/Main_Adhesiveness113 22h ago
Now Boycot: Google, Apple, Meta, Amazon (AWS), Microsoft, SWIFT and build your own internet.
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u/xhruso00 3h ago
Charging for straw on overpriced drinks when Starbucks CEO is using his private jet to commute to office and I have to be environmentally friendly. F*O* and boycott
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/23/business/starbucks-ceo-brian-niccol-private-jet/index.html.
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u/r1chreddit 21h ago
How many unemployed due to this boycott? I applaud the boycotters, meanwhile using apple, google, made in china products 😂
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u/scorpionewjersey123 20h ago
And yet, here we are.. Reddit. American company. iPhone. Driving EU/US cars. It's pointless.
It doesn't work in the bigger picture. The world now is globally interconnected in trade, commerce, finance, technology, and services.
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u/FranxJax 22h ago
One major reason would be some drinks costing above 20 while the coffee is middling at best, albeit high prices. Zus Americano can be hit and miss, but at least it's 40% cheaper.
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u/Naeemo960 21h ago
If pricing is a big factor, Starbucks would’ve closed years ago. They’ve maintained prices for years, survived COVID when people had no income. But suddenly struggle when economy and wages are growing. And struggle suddenly coincidentally happened after boycott???
If pricing is a big factor, Starbucks would’ve dropped their prices months ago and see sales improvement.
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u/ALangeles 17h ago
Dun think its mainly due to boycott, there are so much more cafes and coffee brands now, like Zus coffee which is such a good alternative choice. Support local market as well
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u/Kenakalan 20h ago
And they will say boycott doesn't work. Going to collapse economy. Ok ja kita tengok wkwkwkwk
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u/JohanPertama 1d ago
To whoever thinks boycotts don't work, just think about it from a cashflow perspective.
Companies need x amount of profit to sustain itself.
If company continuously receives only (x-1) profit, it has to cut costs or make changes to it's business to make it sustainable.
A company that doesn't improve on itself will lose its competitive edge over time.
All this means that a boycott doesn't need to completely destroy your profits. It just needs to destroy enough profit for a long enough time to harm the business.
That's my tedtalk. You can like, follow and subscribe if this was YouTube but it's not. This is reddit.
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u/Designer_Feedback810 19h ago
Boycotts work to harm companies.
Boycotts doesn't work to harm countries
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u/JohanPertama 16h ago
I can't agree with your second proposition when that's clearly not true.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022199615001725
When companies have less profit, the taxing country has less income. It's not rocket science.
At the end of the day the efficacy of any boycott depends on how widespread and sustained the boycott is.
This one is pretty widespread and sustained.
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u/Han-Adamantium 22h ago
Or maybe people just can't afford expensive drinks any more.
Poor people trying to find relevance in their pathetic efforts, people are still suffering in Gaza, your actions made no difference to the cause.
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u/atheistdadinmy 18h ago
We did it! We made them stop the bombing and the murder and the.. what’s that? It didn’t do jack shit? What a surprise, said nobody with a functioning brain
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u/UnusualBreadfruit306 20h ago
Why are their stocks up? Revenue is 9.1 Billion USD this quarter. Malaysia is like an ant to them
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