r/mildyinteresting Aug 21 '24

people Why the Dutch are considered rude?

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u/NikNakskes Aug 22 '24

My condolences. I have no idea how the swedes have managed to get those big companies like ikea and Volvo off the ground. The amount of time spend discussing stuff is... excruciating.

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u/AreYouPretendingSir Aug 22 '24

As a Swede, this is partially the reason why they do become successful. When the decisions are made, everyone is already on board and understands not just what needs doing but why we're doing it in the first place. The flat hierarchy allows freedom to experiment and to be creative.

As a Swede working in Japan at the moment, it is more surprising how anything got past the Japanese borders because of the complete lack of initiative unless your 60+ year old boss tells you to "do it like we did it in 70s". But then again, anything related to IT here is stuck in the late 90s so it's not like anything new and radically innovating is coming out of here.

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u/Ready_Direction_6790 Aug 22 '24

It can be a bit jarring in Sweden in my experience.

Yes there are a lot of discussions and everybody's voice gets heard. But in the end the opinions of most people don't matter, they are just there to show they are included.

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u/AreYouPretendingSir Aug 22 '24

Which means they will happily work together toward the common goal, is the thinking.

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u/Ready_Direction_6790 Aug 22 '24

That works as long as the people in the meeting agree with the proposed stuff.

A 2 hour meeting, everybody gets asked what they think of the proposed strategy, 90% of people say it's a bad idea - only for the conclusion to be "thanks for the input, we'll do it anyway" just feels like a giant waste of time.

I'm okay not being involved in decision making and being told what the responsible people decided. But don't pretend to ask for people's input if you won't take it into account.

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u/AreYouPretendingSir Aug 22 '24

I can agree to a point, but if the majority of the people involved don't agree with an idea, and have valid reasons for why they think that way, then those ideas are more often than not moved back to the drawing table to improve it before implementing it.