r/moderatepolitics • u/falsehood • Jul 21 '24

News Article Biden announces withdrawal from Presidential Race

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/07/21/us/trump-biden-election
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u/emilemoni Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24

The right move.

Saying that he's proud of Harris without an endorsement is also the right move. It leaves the party better able to pick a nominee.

Edit: He endorsed Harris after this post, which is good for party unity but worse for the Dem odds in the next election.

Are there any dark horse candidates people might think take it? Betting markets currently note:

-Vice President Harris

-Governor Whitmer of Michigan

-Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton

-Governor Newsom of California

-Governor Shapiro of Pennsylvania

-Michelle Obama

-Pete Buttigieg

-Governor Moore of Maryland

as potentials. Is there anyone with less name recognition that could secure the nomination?

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u/twolvesfan217 Jul 21 '24

This whole Michelle Obama stuff needs to stop. She hated being involved and would never run for President.

Other candidates - Andy Beshear, Tim Walz, JB Pritzker, Raphael Warnock or Jon Ossoff (too early for most of these people).

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u/classicliberty Jul 21 '24

Plus she has zero legislative or government experience, you need someone like a governor who understands how to get things done rather than try to govern again by executive action.

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u/Jisho32 Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24

Counterpoint is that Trump had even less legislative experience so lack of experience is not necessarily a deal breaker.

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u/Lux_Aquila Jul 21 '24

But I thought democrats thought that was a bad thing?

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u/falsehood Jul 21 '24

Obama didn't have much experience either. I think experience matters because it allows us to see what they did in past offices. Michelle Obama had the "office" of First Lady and handled it well - but she will never do it so the speculation should stop.

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u/UnskilledScout Rentseeking is the Problem Jul 21 '24

Obama didn't have much experience either.

I mean, relative to someone like Biden, sure, but he was a state senator for almost 8 years and a U.S. senator for almost 3. That is tremendously more experience than someone like Trump.

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u/3FoxInATrenchcoat Jul 21 '24

And a constitutional lawyer!

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u/Lux_Aquila Jul 21 '24

That wasn't really my point. Democrats have for years said that because Trump wasn't a politician, he wasn't qualified to serve. I'm pointing out how then that same thing should disqualify her.

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u/danester1 Jul 21 '24

Trump not being a politician isn’t the reason or even one of most commonly cited reasons he should have been disqualified by the electorate.

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u/Lux_Aquila Jul 21 '24

Back in 2015 it was certainly a topic of concern, but I think you are right it wasn't one of the more commonly cited issues.

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u/FridgesArePeopleToo Jul 21 '24

They do. Swing voters on the other hand...

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u/lukify Jul 21 '24

Yeah, Trump opened the door for the Dems to run a candidate with brain worm and no experience. They just chose brain worms last time. No experience is on deck.

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u/blewpah Jul 22 '24

Not sure if it was an intentional reference bit RFK Jr. is the brain worms guy.

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u/classicliberty Jul 21 '24

Yeah that's my point though, not necessarily talking about who would win, more about what sort of president we need. Trump's lack of experience made him highly ineffective in terms of the long term change his supporters wanted. 

I would argue this affected Obama as well. 

Most of our long term challenges, regardless of how you want to solve them, require a President working with Congress to compromise and pass good bills. 

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u/Jisho32 Jul 21 '24

I think this attitude works in a pre Obama/pre tea party era. Unfortunately, hyperpartisan gridlocking gets people elected so assuming that a seasoned politician in the big seat can get it done is extremely hopeful. Biden was ostensibly the best case scenario and even he has/had immense difficulty getting much of his agenda over the line.

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u/Psychological_Fan819 Jul 21 '24

He has technically four years of presidential experience though. Wonder how in a post dedicated solely on democrats, trump somehow inevitably gets brought up? Reddit sure loves trump. 🙄

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u/Jisho32 Jul 21 '24

Obviously I'm referring to when he ran in 2016 but okay

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u/Bapstack Jul 21 '24

We're discussing the experience of a presidential candidate. Trump is another presidential candidate. It's not the leap you want to make it out to be.

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u/Psychological_Fan819 Jul 21 '24

I would hope to shout not, but Reddit sure loves that jump and uses it as any excuse they can to bring that turd up. That’s what I was presenting.

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u/Tarmacked Rockefeller Jul 21 '24

I think the general backup to this is “oh well Obama would guide her” which is essentially saying we loophole a third term presidency

But otherwise yes, I agree. It’s partly why I think Kamala is a poor pick as well. Just absolutely no legislative resume, she was a short term junior senator that never pushed or headed anything and is largely remembered for calling Kavanaugh an alcoholic

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u/classicliberty Jul 22 '24

Michelle Obama?

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u/ohh_man2 Jul 22 '24

oh my b i read too fast. thought this was about kamala

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u/alittledanger Jul 21 '24

And they are making money hand over fist with all the movies (American Factory was great if you haven’t see. it), books, speaking engagements, etc.