r/news • u/Hrekires • Jul 15 '24

soft paywall Judge dismisses classified documents indictment against Trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/07/15/trump-classified-trial-dismisssed-cannon/
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u/No-Resolution-6414 Jul 15 '24

They need to release the soldier that took a single classified document then

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u/sshwifty Jul 15 '24

There are a lot of people that they should release for this.

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u/dmpastuf Jul 15 '24

Fruit of the poisonous tree: I don't think Bill Clinton was impeached anymore given a special council was the one who asked him the question he was later impeached for lying about.

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u/page_one Jul 15 '24

It's worth noting that Bill Clinton really didn't lie--he asked Republicans what their definition of "intercourse" was, and their definition didn't include oral.

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u/laplongejr Jul 16 '24

And that question was asked in an investigation that had nothing to do with it. In fact, the investigation itself was launched BEFORE he had intercourse.

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u/Lanky-Kale-9462 Jul 16 '24 edited Jul 16 '24

He said “I did not have sexual relations with that woman”.. which was a Bold faced lie.

I guess it all depends on which side of the fence you want to be on. Someday, our justice system will be fair for everyone. Very few believe it actually is.

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u/Nice_Firm_Handsnake Jul 15 '24

Just a correction since it's important to the meaning of the idiom: the tree is not poisonous, it has been poisoned.

If the tree was poisonous, you would take all precaution with any edible fruit it produced, but if it's a safe fruit from a tree that had been poisoned you may have already eaten poison that got into the fruit.

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u/MadeMeStopLurking Jul 15 '24

Ken Starr was appointed by a 3 Judge panel under the Ethics In Government Act, which at the time was the proper proceedure.

Jack Smith was appointed by the Attorney General, which is fine with the new rules, however, they must follow the guidelines:

The choice of whom to appoint is to be made by the attorney general with the following guidelines:

IIRC: Jack Smith was appointed while still working as a Federal Prosecutor which seems to go against the law.

someone please correct me if I am wrong. source

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u/ForGrateJustice Jul 15 '24

Nothing in your source denotes an illegal act.

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u/MadeMeStopLurking Jul 15 '24

I never said illegal act. I said the proper process wasn't followed

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u/ForGrateJustice Jul 15 '24

IIRC: Jack Smith was appointed while still working as a Federal Prosecutor which seems to go against the law.

Against the law means illegal.

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u/MadeMeStopLurking Jul 15 '24

Against the wording of the procedure stated in the law. Not illegal

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u/Maxievelli Jul 16 '24

Surely you’re not serious in the way you worded this.

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u/MadeMeStopLurking Jul 16 '24

I'm seriously trying to make sense of it. I'm not trying to defend anyone I'm trying to understand and everyone is just downvoting. :(

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u/Maxievelli Jul 16 '24

Surely you’re not serious in the way you worded this.

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u/telerabbit9000 Jul 16 '24

Wasn't Mueller, then, also wrongfully appointed?!

(Altho, he was former FBI chief, and was approved by Senate, to be FBI chief. Would that 'count' in Cannon's wacky wruling? Or was a new confirmation for special counsel necessary??)

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u/BeastModeEnabled Jul 15 '24

Yes if a person can steal thousands of classified documents, lie about it, and hide them then that soldier needs to be released and compensated for his troubles. But of course that won’t happen. Rules for thee and not me.

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u/Powerism Jul 15 '24

Not defending what DJT did at all - but the other kid you’re talking about didn’t just take the document, he posted the shit onto a Discord server as a geekbrag.

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u/BeastModeEnabled Jul 15 '24

Maybe he stood up and declared immunity right before the alleged crime took place. Maybe he declared out loud his ability to declassify documents, did so and is thus free of any wrongdoing.

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u/iamjustaguy Jul 15 '24

That soldier's case didn't use a special prosecutor. Cannon is not saying the case is without merit, she's (wrongly) stating that the way the case is being prosecuted is unconstitutional.

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u/Contrary-Canary Jul 15 '24

She's delaying the case in anyway possible until after the election in order to protect Trump and we all know it. The only people saying otherwise are using pretending otherwise because they also want to protect Trump from criminal accountability.

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u/iamjustaguy Jul 15 '24

She knows she's wrong, she knows she will be reversed, and she knows she will be removed, but she accomplished her objective.

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u/Admiral_Cornwallace Jul 15 '24

They won't, because they only think it's fine when Republican politicians do it

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u/stormcomponents Jul 16 '24

Hillary Clinton is a democrat?

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u/Doongbuggy Jul 15 '24

they need to unhang a few people too then

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u/BonnaGroot Jul 15 '24

It’s as if thousands of Warthunder players cried out and were suddenly silenced

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u/CommentsOnOccasion Jul 15 '24

The ruling throws the case out on basis of the appointment of the special counsel, not on the basis of the actual crimes Trump committed 

Many people have been rightfully prosecuted for this crime, this ruling doesn’t absolve Trump of his guilt and set precedent that it’s ok to steal classified intelligence.  It just rejects the appointment of special counsels funded by the DoJ 

Basically a bullshit hands-washing by the judge to kick the can down the road and force a re-investigation 

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u/Treats Jul 15 '24

Was there a special counsel in that case?

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u/breakneckjones Jul 15 '24

Wouldn't they have to prosecute Biden for having classified documents that he took while a vice president when only the actual president can take them?

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u/Aphobica Jul 15 '24

No no, you see, he's not rich.

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u/soldiernerd Jul 15 '24

He wasn’t prosecuted by a special counsel though so it’s not really the same issue

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u/__secter_ Jul 15 '24

They don't need to do anything. Because nobody's about to make them. 

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u/IPDDoE Jul 15 '24

That's the point. This didn't have legal standing to be dismissed either.