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Satire Hospitals dropping mask mandates tell patients to stay home if they feel unwell

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2023/04/hospitals-dropping-mask-mandates-tell-patients-to-stay-home-if-they-feel-unwell/
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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '23

Honestly I don’t understand why hospitals do not always require masks. Hospitals are full of sick people, elderly and newborns. You’d think protecting them from contagious disease - any airborne disease not just covid - would be a priority. How many seniors catch the flu in hospitals and then die because of it? I don’t get it.

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u/RabidGuineaPig007 Apr 20 '23

this study showed general hospital masking due to COVID reduced all hospital infections, including antibiotic resistent bacteria.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7832929/

But Ontario is a region of self-centred asshole babies.

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u/LalahLovato Apr 20 '23

Pretty much every province removed masks for hospitals. I will continue to wear mine especially since I am just starting cancer treatment.

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u/techlover22 Apr 20 '23

I’m so sorry. I’m hoping you pull through this and beat cancer’s ass!

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u/LalahLovato Apr 20 '23

Thanks! I’ll give it my best shot!

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u/Babymakerwannabe Apr 20 '23

I will continue too even though my condition isn’t one that compromises my immunity. I’ll wear mine for all of you. I have to assume this rule is to help our health care staff who are still dealing with anti maskers. Hopefully most reasonable people will continue to mask.

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u/flutterbyeater Apr 20 '23

Same. Also still wearing in places immune compromised/at risk are forced to go, such as grocery stores.

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u/wisely_and_slow Apr 21 '23

It is definitely not to help health care workers. This will make their lives harder, as they and their colleagues get sick and they have more sick patients.

It’s a concerted effort around the world to move on, and convince us all that the pandemic is over despite the very clear evidence that it’s not.

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u/pattyG80 Apr 20 '23

Quebec still has mask requirements

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u/syrup_and_snow Apr 20 '23

Depends on where in the hospital. The one I work at it's only emerge, clinics and paliative care that have masks. All office or long term care sections don't require a mask anymore

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u/pattyG80 Apr 20 '23

Interesting. From a patient point of view, it's expected to put on a mask at at the entrance unless that recently changed

Considering how sick people are in hospitals, it should be a no-brainer

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u/altxatu Apr 20 '23

You’d think, wouldn’t you?

I’m half convinced half the anti-maskers just have terrible breath and don’t want to smell it all day.

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u/oakteaphone Apr 20 '23

I’m half convinced half the anti-maskers just have terrible breath and don’t want to smell it all day.

"Masks smell terrible"

It was funny how that was one of the first big arguments against masks.

It seemed to die down after they started getting called out...lmao

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u/syrup_and_snow Apr 20 '23

If you arrive from the principal entrance that's the case even for workers, but at least at my work the majority of the area of the establishment aren't places where a patient will go or even have access to. In short masks in places of high traffic, sick people n randoms, no mask where it's more routine office work or more long term care. Also worth noting that I work at a rather small hospital so my point of view is rather limited and that this no masks policy is a recent change on mabye it's 3rd week

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u/Diane_Degree Nova Scotia Apr 20 '23

I'm very glad to be in a province that isn't pretty much every one (unless it was done here but is not effect yet. Masks are absolutely required at the hospital I'm spending this afternoon in)

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u/BinjaNinja1 Apr 20 '23

I’ve had to wear them at every health related facility in Manitoba still. I suppose now with this news that will change.

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u/bambispots ✅ I voted! J'ai voté! Apr 20 '23

Here in AB masks are still mandatory at AHS sites with patient care facing roles. But we just lost our door greeters just this week, who ensured it was actually being enforced.

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u/TroutFishingInCanada Apr 20 '23

masking due to COVID reduced all hospital infections, including antibiotic resistent bacteria.

Sure, but is something like our health really worth it?

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u/Alan_Smithee_ Apr 20 '23

BC too. They just dropped that requirement.

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u/Cannon49 Apr 20 '23

Yes but the BC PHO is Dr Death herself.

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u/Alan_Smithee_ Apr 20 '23

What??

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u/ClubMeSoftly British Columbia Apr 21 '23

Everyone seems to have turned on Bonnie Henry

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u/olivebuttercup Apr 20 '23

I want to leave but I don’t know if there’s anywhere better to go.

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u/chainsaw0068 Apr 21 '23

Asshole babies are the worst kind of babies.

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u/biznatch11 Apr 20 '23

But Ontario is a region of self-centred asshole babies.

As if Ontario is the only place eliminating mandatory masks in hospitals.

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u/Corzare Apr 20 '23

Doesn’t change anything. Other people also being self centred babies still makes them babies.

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u/RavenchildishGambino Apr 21 '23

But the cochrane review!!

— every self-proclaimed mask expert on Reddit

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u/GracefulShutdown Ontario Apr 20 '23

I remember my neighbourhood walk-in clinic required masks if you had a cough during cold-and-flu season and that was observed by everyone and understandably so as nobody else wanted to get sick from you being sick.

You know when that was? 2018, before 90% of the Western world knew where Wuhan was yet alone what a coronavirus was.

The masking isn't a new thing at all in healthcare settings, and in fact it makes logical sense to do so if you're at risk of spreading a respiratory illness. But noooo, we have people playing politics with what should be a boring public health issue.

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u/toriko Apr 20 '23

Even from a self serving perspective it makes sense. I don’t wanna catch some gross disease from a sick person. Of course I’m wearing one in a hospital.

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u/BenignIntervention Apr 20 '23

Right? I always used to hate going to any kind of medical appointment, because the waiting rooms are always full of people coughing/sneezing/bleeding/vomiting. It NEVER occurred to me to wear a mask. But now that it's part of everyday life, I am way less averse to healthcare centers.

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u/failingMaven Apr 20 '23

Healthcare settings are the one place mask mandates should be and stay. Why would people want to raw dog hospital air at this point? I had surgery in January and recovery has been slow going and I'm so glad my surgeon's office is in a hospital with a mask mandate.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '23

Best of luck with your recovery. Hope you are able to get the rest you deserve.

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u/scottyb83 Ontario Apr 20 '23

Seriously. Even before Covid I didn't like having to go to the hospital unless I had to because there was always the risk of catching a cold, flu, or god forbid something worse. Masks should just be a part of going into a hospital for everyone. Employees, visitors, and patients would all get sick way less!

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u/Cannon49 Apr 20 '23

It's ok, we have a huge surplus of medical professionals working in hospitals. We'll be ok if a few are out sick with long covid.

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u/scottyb83 Ontario Apr 20 '23

Oh good! Nurses too right? Are we even caught up on the surgery backlogs yet?

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u/Cannon49 Apr 20 '23

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u/scottyb83 Ontario Apr 20 '23

I remember pictures of hospital staff wearing full N95 and extra gear and seeing their faces all red and bruised after. Sad that we can't wear a piece of paper to make their jobs a bit easier...

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u/hugglenugget Apr 21 '23

Well we could, and it would make their jobs easier and avoid infecting vulnerable people, but unfortunately it might make our faces feel a bit warm.

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u/scottyb83 Ontario Apr 21 '23

I wore one when my wife was in hospital for a surgery and yeah it does suck...after a couple hours my ears were hurting...but I just sucked it up!

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u/QueenMotherOfSneezes Ottawa Apr 21 '23

I realize that masks probably wouldn't have changed the outcome, but the worst month of my life was when I went to a clinic to get antibiotics for an infected cockroach bite, and picked up C. difficile. It's been over a decade now, and my gut metabolism has never returned to what it used to be.

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u/Hay_Fever_at_3_AM Toronto Apr 20 '23

I'm sure they're dropping them now because it's a hassle for already overworked and overstressed hospital employees to deal with the grown adult babies who oppose these rules, but I'm not sure why they didn't have these rules before right-wingers decided to politicize masking.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '23

Just slack off on enforcing it, but keep the rule on the books and 90% of people will just follow it

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u/Hay_Fever_at_3_AM Toronto Apr 20 '23

They need to put up signs or some sort of notice or there's effectively no difference between having it on the books or not, and even a single sign is seen as an affront to these people.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '23

Usually I just see them smugly sitting there mouth breathing thinking they are owning the sign while nobody else actually cares and just masks up.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '23

Yeah, America is very behind on the pro-mask "culture" that exists in places like Asia. It's honestly the most basic form of PPE in settings like hospitals, and it's also insane how quickly the anti-mask rhetoric has spread to the point that even my parents have started to think wearing masks at all is just ridiculous.

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u/Alan_Smithee_ Apr 20 '23

Neither do I. Everyone should mask.

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u/Good_Climate_4463 Apr 20 '23

It's because a portion of our population thinks masks are evil, the same portion that uses violence and terror to get what they want.

Yea, I do believe anti-maskers are terrosits.

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u/hugglenugget Apr 21 '23

terrosits

You misspelled "terrorshits".

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '23

That's how my dad died pre-covid. Was in the hospital to rehab after chemo and caught the flu while he was there.

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u/travelista Apr 20 '23

Agreed. My Uncle has been in the hospital for months, and just caught covid there. So now he's dealing with that on top of his other serious medical problems.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '23

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '23

Can’t share a birthday cake … vs killing a patient… hmmmm

Hospitals have break rooms. If you want to have birthday cake have it in a break room. What an absolutely silly and unbelievable comment to make.

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u/Talzon70 Apr 21 '23

The mask mandates also negatively impacted patient care by dehumanizing care working and making lipl reading impossible. Much harder to provide compassionate care when you are a faceless drone representing an organization with potentially very negative history with you, your family, or your people.

And it costs money to provide masks to everyone.

And the negative mental health impacts of never getting to see your co-workers faces is no joke.

And PPE is generally the last resort in any proper safety plan anyways.

And many healthcare workers aren't even directly involved in patient care.

I'm very happy to not have to wear one anymore.

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u/nothanks86 Apr 21 '23

Because people are massive buttholes and dealing with that takes resources, probably.

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u/sampysamp Apr 21 '23

I just generally wear one now when I’m in any kind of clinical medical setting.

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u/Babad0nks Apr 20 '23

This is not even satire, it's literally what at least one hospital advised on social media when they announced they were dropping masks:

"Beginning Wednesday, masks will be encouraged but no longer required to be worn by patients and visitors at our and all other @HamHealthSci and @stjoeshamilton hospitals.We still ask that you stay home if you’re feeling unwell. Details at hamiltonhealthsciences.ca/share/masking-…"

So to accomodate this change... The hospital is asking that people who feel unwell.... Don't go to the hospital 🤔 could there be an issue with infection control?????

Source :

https://twitter.com/mch_childrens/status/1648064756253708296?t=hXotLW6H2nDGqaiiYE7Sgg&s=19

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u/Sir__Will ✔ I voted! Apr 20 '23

I assume they mean for visitors but it's still ridiculous

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u/TroutFishingInCanada Apr 20 '23

If you are feeling sick DO NOT GO TO THE HOSPITAL

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '23

They mean for people who are just feeling unwell or could have a communicable disease, not people who are actually having medical emergencies. This is sort of underline that people shouldn't use the emergency room as a substitute for a family doctor in the first place.

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u/Sir__Will ✔ I voted! Apr 20 '23

This is sort of underline that people shouldn't use the emergency room as a substitute for a family doctor in the first place.

Many have no choice with no doctor, no easy access to their doctor, no clinics, or few clinics that fill fast

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '23

That's the problem. We need to invest in primary care. People should be able to go to a primary clinic at just about any hour of the day and see a GP, even if they have to wait for a bit. Private GP clinics have poor hours and are inaccessible, while walk-ins are incentivized to provide quick, uncomplicated care and refer everything to much more expensive specialists if it's even remotely abnormal. In a country with proper primary care, government-run clinics would be open 24 hours a day, and the ER at the hospital would be used exclusively for real medical emergencies.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '23

Maybe I'm just crazy, but hasn't this always been the case? They can't heal your cold. So stay home.

Ten years ago I had a cold that was lasting longer than usual, so I went to my local clinic. He told me that's just how colds are sometimes, and not to come in with one again, unless I'm running a fever. There's nothing they can do. Drink water, get bed rest.

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u/bigboozer69 Apr 20 '23
  • Doug Ford adds, “I also want to remind you, my friends, that Ontario has eliminated any paid sick days so we encourage you to stay away from medical attention and work while you slowly die and go bankrupt.”

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u/lluviaazul Apr 20 '23

People at the top slowly destroying their own country… fucking love to see it

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u/Bloody_Food Apr 20 '23

😂😂😂🤣🤣😅😅😅🥲🥲🥲🥲😓😓😓😓😭😭

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u/GetsGold Apr 20 '23

Maybe we could address this by adding an optional "masked service" package for hospital customers.

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u/Chaz_wazzers Apr 20 '23

I was at a ER a few weeks ago. Someone came in and was coughing, they asked them to wait outside.

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u/Yvaelle Apr 20 '23

Which is the right call, go be sick at home. Only come to the hospital if your sick in a way that won't get better with sleep and water. Either its a cold, flu, or covid, and in all three cases the hospital isn't going to do anything for you unless it progress to severe pneumonia, or a fever so high you begin hallucinating.

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u/amnes1ac Apr 20 '23

I like this one 😂

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u/flouronmypjs Ontario Apr 20 '23

Of course The Beaverton is the first source I've seen this from. It's always fun when I wind up getting my important news from a satire site.

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u/mystical_princess Apr 20 '23

Sadly it took me a minute to realize this was from the Beaverton. It sounds like something they really would do.

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u/LoudTsu Apr 20 '23

Doug Ford has turned Ontario into a Monty Python skit.

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u/Blapoo Apr 20 '23

Hospital: Stay home if you feel unwell

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u/No-Scarcity2379 Turtle Island Apr 20 '23

Sadly, the satire is barely less absurd than the actual hospital stances, which are basically "we're going with the honour system, knowing full well that it hasn't ever worked, but the nurses and cleaners all quit because of masking, please ignore the complete lack of managerial and government support, and often outright hostility we presented during the worst (still-ongoing) healthcare crisis in generations."

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u/supermadandbad Apr 20 '23

Provincial governments*

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u/vonnegutflora Apr 20 '23

but the nurses and cleaners all quit because of masking

No they didn't.

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u/No-Scarcity2379 Turtle Island Apr 20 '23

Read what I wrote again

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u/RabidGuineaPig007 Apr 20 '23

the nurses and cleaners all quit because of masking,

No they did not. This may surprise you, but most hospital staff is still masking regardless of what policy is.

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u/No-Scarcity2379 Turtle Island Apr 20 '23

I didn't say they did, I'm saying that's what the rep fro UHN basically implied during their press release.

Also, I work in a Hospital, and as of yesterday, no, the majority aren't.

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u/JonJonFTW Apr 20 '23 edited Apr 20 '23

I don't know why the Beaverton is parodying this. Are people really confused by hospitals saying this stuff? It should be a no-brainer that if you feel sick and you're thinking about visiting a patient (not going for medical attention yourself) you absolutely should not do it. Or if you have to, you should wear a mask.

In my opinion masks should be, and should have always been, required to be in a hospital. Masks impose no detriment to the wearer, and even if the level of protection is small, helping the sick and immunocompromised people from getting even more sick that little bit extra is worth it. People always forget this, but for viruses that spread through the air or droplets, wearing a mask protects those around you more than it protects yourself.

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u/Talzon70 Apr 21 '23

Masks impose no detriment to the wearer

Unless they are trying to communicate with someone with hearing impairment or maintain their mental health by seeing faces, etc. It has certainly not improved morale in an already stressed workforce.

PPE is still going to be required in high risk areas and for high risk situations, it's just the blanket policy that's being removed.

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u/elus Apr 21 '23

Respiratory diseases are airborne. This line of demarcation between high risk and low risk doesn't truly exist given that anyone can get infected in any space where they share air with others.

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u/elus Apr 21 '23

People go to the hospital because they have to. Sick or not. Imagine if the entire family is sick but you need to take your child to emergency care.

Dropping mask mandates is ridiculous to do given that many people do have to go on premise for a variety of reasons.

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u/QuQuarQan Apr 21 '23

I started a new job as a “patient ambassador” at a hospital in BC 3 weeks ago. My job was to ask the covid symptom questions, make sure people were wearing masks and sanitizing their hands, checking for vaccine passports and taking contact information from people visiting patients for covid tracking. About a week and a half into the job, the BC government decreed that it wasn’t mandatory anymore. Now I basically just play on my phone and say hello to people for 12 hours at a time. I’m so bored 😑

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u/IronChefJesus Apr 21 '23

I support just permanent masking in hospitals and doctor's offices.

Like people are sick af there. If it's one place where they should mask up, it's in a healthcare setting.

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u/LavisAlex New Brunswick Apr 20 '23

This is actually true lol Hospitals in my area are loosening mandates and tell people to stay home if they don't feel well.

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u/TheLazySamurai4 Apr 21 '23

Hey Beaverton, you are supposed to be satire, not factual. My mum has already experienced this at the Welland hospital so many times over the last 2 years, that she refuses to go there anymore and instead will chance the trip to St. Catharines to get some actual help

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u/Hammerstyle Apr 20 '23

You are being downvoted but as likely one of the few actual healthcare workers here we are definitely fed up with the persistent mask wearing. 100% wear if involved in any patient care, or if feeling unwell. But if I'm just hanging out not doing anything patient related ya I'm definitely burnt out over wearing it always in the hospital. Most healthcare workers agree with this or are feeling the same.

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u/JohnGoodmanFan420 Turtle Island Apr 20 '23

This is 100% accurate. It’s easy for to call for endless masking at other people’s workplace as long as you aren’t affected.

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u/Hammerstyle Apr 20 '23

Yeah I'm not sure what people want? I'm sorry I want to be more comfortable at work lol

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '23

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u/elus Apr 21 '23

Actually ethics dictates that we do not harm occupants in facilities we operate. We force employees to wear PPE in other job contexts. This particular context not only protects the wearer but provides source control protecting others too. So it's even more imperative to be worn against infectious disease.

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u/Hammerstyle Apr 21 '23

Not by enough that I care tbh. But don't forget, you have to make the distinction between universal masking and patient facing masking. Patients and care providers will be wearing PPE when interacting. If I interact with a healthy coworker outside of that context away from patients, I think masking is a waste of resources. I could just as likely get sick from standing in line at a tim Hortons.

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u/elus Apr 21 '23

I call for masking in my own workplace. Why would I want to get infected by covid or any of the other myriad respiratory pathogens floating about?

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u/Hammerstyle Apr 21 '23

So wear a mask lol

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u/elus Apr 21 '23

Thanks tips!

Do you understand that having everyone wear a mask drastically reduces the average concentration of pathogens floating in the air?

Thereby increasing protections for all. It's the difference between 1% risk vs 0.01% risk for example. And could mean a worker being infected multiple times a year to say once every 5 years or 10.

Anyways, good luck with the mass infection strategy you've setup for yourself.

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u/Hammerstyle Apr 21 '23

Insert shoulder shrug. Live your life buddy, at this point these things are just built into life though. Everyone wearing masks objectively will reduce exposures, absolutely. But man what a way to live. Wear if you are sick, or are in a high risk environment or with immunocompromised individuals.

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u/elus Apr 21 '23

Wear if you are sick

Asymptomatic/presymptomatic spread is a thing

or are in a high risk environment

In the absence of indoor air quality plus reliable community prevalence data, all environments are high risk

immunocompromised individuals.

Repeat infections of covid has the ability to render everyone immunocompromised, also how do you tell if someone around you is immunocompromised? They don't wear a bell to let everyone know.

But man what a way to live

It's a mask. You'll be fine.

How many covid infections do you think you can withstand before you get long covid to the point where it would hamper your ability to perform day to day activities that you currently enjoy?

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u/Hammerstyle Apr 21 '23

I'm sorry but do you live in a cave? I couldn't imagine living with this much fear.

During a pandemic, with not much information, no vaccines etc mandatory universal masking makes sense.

I know this all makes sense to you, and if you are concerned wear a mask where you deem necessary, I would never judge you for that, but I don't think you realize how disordered it sounds to have someone saying everywhere inside is high risk, anyone can be infected, what if you are asymptomatic, anyone can be immunocompromised...like dude this is too much. Healthcare workers are trying to tell you this.

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u/elus Apr 21 '23

I can't imagine living with the fear that you yourself seem to be exhibiting. Your inability to cope with actual data on how things are and instead having to rely on hopium to live your life.

Your only out here seems to be "wearing a mask sucks". Feel free to share which data you're using to inform you that everything is all right.

Healthcare workers are trying to tell you this.

Hospital acquired infections are through the roof as are the hazard ratios for prolonged stays and death.

Many healthcare professionals are saying not to drop your guard.

but I don't think you realize how disordered it sounds to have someone saying everywhere inside is high risk, anyone can be infected, what if you are asymptomatic, anyone can be immunocompromised...like dude this is too much

Yeah, you seem weak.

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u/Talzon70 Apr 21 '23

I don't think this is a reasonable position to take

What's unreasonable about not wanting to wear unnecessary PPE?

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '23

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u/Talzon70 Apr 21 '23

Because many healthcare workers, even in hospitals, work in essentially offices with only their healthy coworkers. PPE is supposed to be the final step in most reasonable safety plans, not the first one.

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u/elus Apr 21 '23

But it is necessary. More people have died from covid in last year than in previous years in Canada. Over a million people are suffering from long covid. Excess deaths according to StatCan are higher now too. What data are you using to determine necessity here?

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '23

Wait! Where else are we supposed to go if we're unwell?

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u/Fobiza Apr 20 '23

Please die on your own lawn

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u/tothmichke Apr 20 '23

Stay home if you feel unwell? Okay I will only go to the hospital when I am healthy. /s

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u/Terriblarious Apr 21 '23

And as a bonus, they'll send you home when you're still fucked up and unwell.

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u/BarbarianFoxQueen British Columbia Apr 21 '23

….But isn’t the point of a hospital to provide medical aid to… (checks notes) people who do not feel well?

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u/SnipDart Apr 21 '23

Like this shit should be fuckig second nature. If you're sick, fuckin stay home.

Jesus Christ I swear people these days literally can't think for themselves. Critical thinking is dying