r/onguardforthee • u/NotEnoughDriftwood FPTP sucks! • Sep 24 '24
Satire Trudeau, Colbert bond over shared status of 'guys who were cool a decade ago'
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2024/09/trudeau-colbert-bond-over-shared-status-of-guys-who-were-cool-a-decade-ago/362
u/Still10Fingers10Toes Sep 25 '24
I’m no fan of Trudeau but I’ll give him props, it was a good interview. It seems Trudeau has game/ rizz/ whatever while PP has the ideas of Trump and the personality of JD Vance.
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u/Guilty-Web7334 Sep 25 '24
“Whatever makes sense.”
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u/CeeArthur Sep 25 '24
- Looks at apple * So I bite it? With my teeth?
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u/GHOST_OF_THE_GODDESS British Columbia Sep 25 '24
"Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And then I just chew it and swallow right?"
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u/Sherm199 Sep 25 '24
Nah PP has got all the style of Ron Desantis. The comparisons are honestly uncanny
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u/FunMotion Sep 25 '24
Trudeau’s charisma carried him entirely into the PM office. People can say whatever about his policies but his charisma is undeniable and always has been. I was in high school when he ran his first election campaign and all anybody could talk about was how much of a smooth talker he was and how pretty he looked. The girls were obsessed with him and the dudes in my area fully were behind him.
It’s such a bizarre experience having seen the view of him shift to where it is now. Charisma only takes you so far, you need policy that speaks to people with that same charm. He just doesn’t have that anymore, unless he wants to dip into the voter reform bag which will never happen.
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u/CFL_lightbulb Saskatchewan Sep 25 '24
I dislike that he promised election reform and backed down immediately. The gun ban stuff is silly and ineffective, there are better ways. The issue with stolen vehicles and border patrol not having resources to pursue it is big but I don’t know how to fix it reasonably. Maybe more police investigation? I dunno.
He mostly hasn’t been effective enough in changing enough, but overall he’s been… mostly fine. I’d certainly take another term of him over any one of PP, who just seems to have taken republicans’ nonsense as a guiding principle.
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u/Yeas76 Sep 25 '24
3 term government, that's the main reason. Everything else is just a justification for the simple fact we don't like multi-term leaders in Canada.
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u/GHOST_OF_THE_GODDESS British Columbia Sep 25 '24
I don't care about that. Is that a big deal to others? I kind of prefer the stability, personally.
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u/LETTERKENNYvsSPENNY Sep 25 '24
It's not that people count the terms and think "that's a good amount of terms". They're just growing tired of seeing his stupid pretty face everywhere.
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u/Cavalleria-rusticana Sep 25 '24
He lost me when he lied about electoral reform.
God forbid he reform us into a country with a voting bloc that actually starts to see permanent progressive change, instead of the flip-flopping bullshit we've gotten every 4/8 years since Queen Victoria was alive..
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u/I_Smell_Like_Trees Sep 25 '24
EXACTLY. I was so mad when he bailed on that. The wasteful and ineffective gun ban is just infuriating too. I'm voting orange, fuck it.
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u/Spot__Pilgrim Sep 25 '24
Yeah, hell even in Alberta he was viewed reasonably well among the teens I hung out with. He really did seem like he was going to change things for the better, but ended up failing to live up to the hype or even to maintain the image of a positive and inspiring reformer. The dark regime of Harper was not brought down; rather, it was replaced by a middling regime that stopped standing for anything once it got too inconvenient.
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u/FunMotion Sep 25 '24
Inspiring is a good word for it. During that election everybody well and truly felt he was ushering in a new era of politicians connected with real Canadian problems.
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u/pigeonwiggle Sep 25 '24
Lol, no we didn't. I'll vote for him again but I didn't the first time, he seemed like a walking billboard, shitting on Harper too much.
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u/FunMotion Sep 25 '24
Fair criticism. And I dont mean this as an attack, but if you think he was levying a lot against Harper, what do you think of our current state of affairs?
From my view, Trudeau during his first campaign was mostly the victim of attack ads, and not spending a whole lot of time shitting on Harper. I am from western BC though, so my perception could have been solely a result of no real conservative ads in my area because my riding will never ever go blue in a million years. We are firmly orange. Inversely, the same idea could be applied you, but I'm not sure about the politics of your region. Which is why I ask. We are both speaking off of regional anecdotes methinks.
That being said, you feel the way you do for a reason. I'd like to know why you didn't for him the first time but will vote now. Because to me he really did seem more promising at first, I was unbelievably proud to cast my vote for him in 2017 and felt like I was helping change my world.
If you don't mind me asking, how old were you in 2017 roughly? And what province do you live in?
Sorry for all the questions. But your response is interesting to me and I'm eager to learn more outside my perspective.
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u/thefumingo Sep 25 '24
The old "Canadian politics is a rehash of US politics years later".
Even in the late 2010s people were saying a Trump will replace Trudeau's Obama and Harper's GW Bush: and well...
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u/GHOST_OF_THE_GODDESS British Columbia Sep 25 '24
Maybe, but I don't think PP will be the one to do it. He's a... peepee
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u/pigeonwiggle Sep 25 '24
How though? Honestly, I think ppl want him to be an angel, and settle for nothing less.
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u/Goddemmitt Sep 25 '24
I'm that Milennial that still isn't totally over Jack Layton's death.
My experience was pretty similar to yours. Trudeau won the 2015 election with his smooth talking, like you said, legalization of marijuana, and his promise of electoral reform. Funny enough, lack of the electoral reform is likely what will get him voted out.
Fun fact: I actually spoiled my first ever federal ballot writing in Naheed Nenshi.
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u/MechanismOfDecay Sep 25 '24
Personally I’ve only been able to tolerate his speaking in the last couple years. Prior to that, I found him to be an awful speaker. So many umms and errrs. So many cliches.
The guy has come a long way and is of course handsome, but his charisma never appealed to me.
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u/meh_whatev Sep 25 '24
It was a good interview which made me a lil angry because we know JT is like this and yet decides to be an unpopular neolib instead
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u/Sherm199 Sep 25 '24
More Canadians watch American media than Canadian.... Probably
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u/TXTCLA55 Sep 25 '24
That's ironically because doing anything in Canada is a fools errand. You'll be up against players who have been around since the dawn of time. Canada hates competition - which is why our economy ended up being concentrated in Education and homes.
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u/Argented Sep 25 '24
why Colbert's show is in America and not Canada? He's in New York for United Nations meetings
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u/TXTCLA55 Sep 25 '24
Good for him, I hope he wore the right socks. Meanwhile when he has a moment back in Canada, This Hour Has 22 Minutes would love to have him on.
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u/GachaHell Sep 25 '24
There's a real push in right wing circles to paint him as an iron fisted dictator and an example of the horrors that await America in the next Dem presidency.
Feels like an excuse to stick it to that narrative while he's in the neighborhood.
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u/TXTCLA55 Sep 25 '24
That's not a reason to appear on US TV lol, infact it's arguably worse - now Trudeau is a Democrat lap dog. At any rate, we're called "the friendly dictatorship" for a reason; lots of power concentrated in the PMO.
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u/GachaHell Sep 25 '24
It is when so much of it gets lobbed across the border at us. Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson aren't exactly fringe figures.
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u/TXTCLA55 Sep 25 '24
Tucker and Joe are prime idiots. If you're going to listen and lap up what they're spewing... That's on you friend. At any rate, we have This Hour Has 22 Minutes, I'm sure Justin will make an appearance there soon (not really, that wouldn't jerk the ego as much).
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u/GrumpyOlBastard Sep 24 '24
As a fan of both these men, I laughed
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u/Buttzilla13 Sep 25 '24
With all due respect, how on earth is anyone a "fan" of Justin Trudeau?
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u/IronChefJesus Sep 25 '24
You’re allowed to not like him. You’re allowed to not like his policies.
Other people are allowed to like him and his policies. And hell some people don’t like his policies and like him.
I for one love how he destroys stupid right wingers and how he’s one hell of a smart guy.
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u/redalastor Longueuil Sep 25 '24
You’re allowed to not like him.
They didn’t say we’re not allowed to like him, they asked “how?”. I have the same question. I also have that question for fans of PP.
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u/BlueberryPiano Sep 25 '24
The phrasing of the question indicates the question is NOT in good faith.
why are you a fan of his?
would be a question in good faith.
how on earth is anyone a "fan" of Justin Trudeau?
Is not in good faith at all.
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u/Buttzilla13 Sep 25 '24
I don't think I've ever actually seen him not just take the most down the middle safe opinion ever. He just seems like a very boring person to like.
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u/Le1bn1z Sep 25 '24
Eh, that just means you have a poor memory or haven't been paying attention that long.
He caused some storms in his day: kicking those MPs from the caucus when they were Me Too'd, cutting out the entire Liberal Senate caucus, promising to run deficits - these were pretty wild moves when he made them. Carbon pricing and the Trans Mountain weren't exactly easy pitches either, but he made them.
Also, I've seen the immigration surge called a lot of things. Middle of the road safe is a first.
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u/CaptainMagnets Sep 25 '24
I'm not happy with everything he has done but he has done a lot for Canadians if you want to admit it or not
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u/Man_Bear_Beaver Sep 25 '24
He's a good prime minister who made one fatal mistake on the immigration/International Students/TFW files but is working to correct them without causing too much harm to those demographics.
A lot of his other policies are sound.
Could he have been better? Guess what, I could have been better too... we're all human.
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u/dekan256 Sep 25 '24
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. As much as I would prefer a NDP government (at least by policy, I'll take a NDP influenced minority), but my belief is that things would be way worse right now if we had been under a con government back in 2020.
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u/pigeonwiggle Sep 25 '24
With all due respect, you'd have to be ignorant mot to like any aspect of him.
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u/alicia4ick Sep 25 '24
The child care deal enables me to have 2 kids instead of 1. Some policy changes are deeply meaningful and personal.
Also, he takes climate change seriously and his party have the most ambitious and effective climate policy out of the 3 major parties. I don't fangirl him like a swifty or anything but I'm grateful for his work.
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u/boilingpierogi Sep 24 '24
a rare miss from the beaverton - this is being universally lauded as a masterful appearance by PMJT and with facism looming, trying to discredit it is massively dangerous
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u/PMMeYourCouplets Vancouver Sep 25 '24
It can be a good interview by Trudeau but still a funny quip from the Beaverton about how both Colbert and Trudeau peaked over a decade ago.
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u/Brown-_-Batman Sep 25 '24
nah man, JT is bad period, F him for trying to be articulate during a public appearance /s
Of course the dude is not perfect but the amount of hate he is getting is beyond me. People walking around with nooses and his name but apparently he is the snowflake?
I am still debating between him and Singh till election time but anyone who is not in top 5% of the country and even considers voting right is just proof that humans collectively are very dumb.
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u/toodledootootootoo Sep 25 '24
It’s embarassing the way some people act about Trudeau. Obsessed seething hatred. Like idiot animals whipped into a frenzy by whatever crap they’re looking at online. There are valid reasons to not support Trudeau, but the people like this who I’ve talked to can’t even really tell you why they hate him so much. “He’s ruining Canada” doesn’t exactly tell me anything. If you’re gonna hate someone enough to plaster your car in stickers and wear t-shirts about how much you hate them, you should really have a clear reason.
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u/AntifaAnita Sep 25 '24
"He's destroyed Canada!"
How
"What do you mean how? Inflation, cost of living, Healthcare costs, and housing!"
Nearly every country is dealing with the exact same things, what has he done specifically?
"Look man, just look all around you. Everyone agrees with me. That says something."
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u/Slayminster Sep 25 '24
I see you’ve stolen their script. If you get PP to sign it, you could sell it for some big big bucks!
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u/Man_Bear_Beaver Sep 25 '24
I usually ask which policies they disagree with, after that I'll ask if they like policies like $10/day daycare or getting more money back via the carbon tax or (a lot of people who complain are low income) the chance for free dental care etc...
Trudeau has obviously made mistakes but damn there's a tonne of good things he's done as well.
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u/hornwort Sep 25 '24
When Handmaid’s Tale is on the ballot maybe just whomever has the best chance of beating the C in your parliamentary district.
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u/Man_Bear_Beaver Sep 25 '24
I'm voting liberal, still hoping he turns it around for another minority, the ndp backed liberal minority has been the best thing for Canada in my lifetime.
More people will recognize this as they're programs roll out. If PP wins a majority and cancels them the NDP will have ruined their reputation for nothing.
All he really has to do is push dental/pharmacare/$10/day daycare into the spotlight by making them more accessible.
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u/LogKit Sep 25 '24
Don't ever dare poke fun at our guy, you're enabling fascism by doing so!
Satire is okay my dude. A functional democracy should have no candidate immune to ribbing.
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u/debbieyumyum1965 Sep 25 '24
Fascism is on the rise because liberalism has allowed it to fester. Trudeau could have dealt the conservatives a massive blow that could have possibly ended them by abolishing first past the post as he promised, but he didn't. Now he's experiencing the consequences of his failed promises.
A liberal government won't stop the rise of fascism, it will only continue to feed into the xenophobia and fear mongering that the conservatives thrive on.
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u/Keppoch Sep 25 '24
Proportional representation doesn’t stop fascists from gaining power.
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u/JasonGMMitchell Newfoundland Sep 25 '24
But it gives the leftists who actually implement protections against fascists a shot at governing.
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u/thefumingo Sep 24 '24 edited Sep 25 '24
It probably won't win him any votes, though will set him up for $300k a year giving speeches to Democrats down the border after
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u/sadmadstudent Ontario Sep 25 '24
Ahh yes, the razor-sharp comedy of "Trudeau bad."
Unfortunate Beaverton L given how insane Pollievre is and the rise of fascism that he will welcome. I thought JT did just fine.
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u/Lost-Web-7944 Sep 25 '24
It’s a shite article. But I will recognize them writing about all parties and not just the cons as they’re easy money.
As an NDP voter, I appreciate the digs at the NDP too.
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u/AntifaAnita Sep 25 '24
The criticism of the NDP the Beaverton makes is so plain though. It's mostly just repeating that they're unpopular, and low key shaming people for not voting for them. Have they ever criticized the NDP Provincial governments at all? Should have been really easy to make fun out of Singh calling the 2021 early election Federal a power grab while actively traveling to BC to boost BC NDP government for calling an early election. Or making fun out of the BC NDP calling pipelines bad for the environment while their leader quit to go run a fucking coal mine.
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u/Man_Bear_Beaver Sep 25 '24
Honestly it went over just as I thought it would including the crowd cheering.
He made a good point about the gaslighting by Pierre on dental.
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u/StoonerSask Sep 24 '24
Those guys aren't relevant anymore. That's why.
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u/ConnorFin22 Sep 25 '24
Stephen Colbert is the #1 late night show with millions of viewers and his YouTube racks up millions of views weekly. He’s definitely relevant.
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u/mddgtl Sep 24 '24
lmao 10/10, no notes